JohnNord

You’ve never heard the term “street free agent?”

Has he really been that productive though? Out of all the DE’s on the team, he’s probably the weakest DE defending the edge and he isn’t much better as an edge rusher than any other DE on the team. He’s also been beat out by street free agents like Shaq Lawson and a fellow second-round pick in AJ Epinesa. I think that Boogie is a clear miss as a second round pick. Anytime your 2nd rounder can’t produce better than a street free agent or a UFA off the practice squad, the returns aren’t good.

I didn’t mention Creed Humphrey at all. I just said that when there’s not much drop off between a UFA and a 2nd round DE which leads me to believe it was a bad draft pick. So let me restate the original question - do you think Boogie Basham was a disappointing draft pick?

When was this? A trade for Basham? Or an opportunity to trade down?

I never said they had no clue how to draft. Just that Boogie Basham was a bad pick. Not sure why you feel the need to change the subject. Do you disagree that Boogie has been a disappointment as a second round pick?

I’ve always thought that it was a really bad sign when you make your high round draft picks a healthy scratch - especially at positions of need

It was all a mirage from the start. Odell was planning on playing contenders against each other to get a multi-year deal which wouldn’t prevent him from playing on a prove-it deal. I completely believe he knew he wouldn’t be ready until at least mid-January. Based on his past, it might have been worth it for teams to gamble on a vet minimum deal if he could play a few games before the playoffs to assimilate in the offense and work off the rust. But no one was giving him a multi-year deal if it meant he wasn’t going to be ready until after the playoffs starter. Not even the Giants!

I re-watched the Bills/Bears game the other day and noticed a few nice reps from Kingsley Jonathan against a bad OL. It was impressive to see a guy off the PS flash a bit in his limited opportunities. He was activated because Boogie Basham was injured and there was basically no drop off between an undrafted DE who bounced between PS’s and a 2nd round draft pick. In my opinion, the selection of Boogie Basham pick is looking very underwhelming. I’m pretty sure the idea that like Rosseau, the idea was to give him a “redshirt” season to learn from vets like Jerry Hughes and Mario Addison to get him ready to contribute in year 2. The idea was good but the execution was poor. But after 1 season, Basham was not ready to contribute or to start and the team ended up sinking major assets for another DE in Von Miller. I’m kind of wondering why they selected Basham from the start. Pre-draft one of the things that made him appealing was his ability to be a hybrid DE/DT. He was supposed to be “pro-ready” and not a project like Rosseau. Yet the Bills had him drop a bunch of weight to be a faster edge rusher which never was his forte. Essentially making him a project DE. The returns of the 2nd draft pick is a rotational player who gives you the same production as a replacement level player. I guess there’s a chance he can improve a little bit like AJ Epinesa, but when you have street free agents like Shaq Lawson or undrafted practice squad players like Jonathan outplaying you, it’s hard to feel optimistic that a jump is coming in year 3.

That wasn’t entirely on him. Hill did get past him but Tre was supposed to have some safety help rotating to his side. Hamlin never got there… check it out for yourself at 9:15

The only thing that gives me pause is that Chicago has a pretty bad defensive front. I’d like to see what the Bills OL can do against a better defensive. Hopefully the Chicago game will kickstart them

The hype for both players is based on their past contributions with the team but most informed fans have a more realistic view of their current abilities. But I think Brown and Beasley are two different players. With Brown you have a WR who relied on his speed and burst. Like most of those receivers he lost a step when he turned 30, and it’s been downhill since. He hasn’t been able to stick with a roster over the past two seasons. Signing him to the PS was worth a shot but it was unreasonable to think he’d have any major contribution. Beasley is a bit of a different story. You can say he’s lost a step but his game never was predicated on speed. While he might not be able to get much YAC, he should be able to rely on his smarts and route running ability to get into space and keep the chains moving. Even with his depleted abilities, Cole still had 82 receptions in 2021. So because I think Beasley can still help the team as a slot WR, it’s going to hard to find a spot from Crowder

It’s not going to be Payton. Numerous Broncos reporters have said he isn’t coming to Denver. Also, any team that wants Payton will essentially need to trade for him and thanks the the awful Wilson trade, Denver is already down on picks. Finally, it’s been reported that Vic Fangio is Payton’s DC. I can imagine either side would want to work to work together again

Just the way that BB handled the development of his “franchise” QB should be enough to get him fired. Matt Patricia as OC was every bit as bad as it sounded last off-season. I’d agree that reputation buys him some more time but I do think Kraft starts to plot a succession plan, if he hasn’t already. I read some comments that actually praised him for his coaching saying things like “with that offense it’s a miracle they won 7 games. Any other coach would have won 2.” The problem is that Belichick has complete control over his roster. So he was the one who built this crappy offense

no doubt it isn’t good. The difference is that there’s been years in between his concussions. Still not good, but a better situation than Tua is facing this season

I’m not sure why Denver loves GM Colonel George Patton so much. This trade for Russell Wilson not only depleted the teams draft capitol over the next few years but he also signed him to a franchise QB contract that is going ruin the salary cap over a minimum of the the next 2-3 years. Because of this, knowing that a coach is stuck with Russ as his QB for next year is really going to eliminate some HV candidates. Yet, ownership loves the guy responsible for this mess.

Unfortunately he was largely cooked when he played with the Bills. I remember he was just not very good. He did have a pick six against Miami in Week 17 though

They’ve tried a few that have been so poorly executed Allen aborted and threw the ball in the dirt. They also tried a WR screen to Diggs against Miami. Shakir struggled to block his man and a Miami defender came downhill to make a play. The result was 2 defenders coming for Diggs and a loss of 2 yards

Classic example of a good player wanting to be paid like a great one.

The move for Leslie would be to hire Brian Scottenheimer as OC from Dallas who previously had some success with Russ in Seattle. I think this is going to be Dan Quinn’s move though, and he seems to be the one everyone is thinking for HC

Part of the problem is that the Bills haven’t really have much of a screen game. I’m not exactly sure why as it should favor their offensive line but the few screens they have called usually result in little yardage. I can’t remember the exact number but I believe Mahomes led the league in shorter passes yet also led the league in passing yards. I also think part is Josh as a passer. He’s more of an off-schedule thrower at QB rather than a timing passer. Also I think ball placement has been an issue at times. Then you have WR’s like Diggs who is a great route runner but not a burner, Davis who can get open deep but doesn’t have a great route tree, and the rest of the WR’s

Yeah this is bull####. Miami fans used to laugh at “Twitter doctors,” now they have their pHD?

It is absolutely amazing how fast they went from “Tua is him” to “Tua sucks.” I was very down on Tua when the year started but I think he was definitely better than a lot of Bills thought but also never as good as some Miami thought. He’s likely in the Jimmy Garapalo range. If he’s in the right system, with elite talent around him, and a good play caller, he can have success. But he doesn’t appear to be the QB that can completely step up and win games. I’ve seen Mike McDaniel take a lot of crap as well - and I think it’s unfair. IMO the strides Tua has made can be largely attributed to his scheme. With that being said, there’s a good chance Miami plays Buffalo in round 1 of the playoffs and the game won’t be easy. I don’t think this is true, he never really ran much and his number of attempts are relatively close to his first two seasons. I’m sure this was a consideration right after he came back from the concussion but he wasn’t the type that you called designed runs for in the first place I disagree with this… yes, there would be some Allen doubters. But I find when Allen is in a position to be blamed, fans find some excuse to let him off the hook. McDermott and/or Dorsey would 100% get blame for a 4 game skid.

Not sure if the problem is Josh or the play designs but it seems like the pass plays take too long to develop. Josh should just dump off a few passes to Beasley or Cook short.

I had absolutely no problem with the decision. He did the same thing against Baltimore and it was the smart play. If you are going to go on the premise that Bass could easily slip on the FG attempt..ha also could’ve slipped on the kickoff attempt as could any other players on the field. While I agree that scoring a TD with :34 seconds would be near impossible for Miami, we’ve seen teams hit long plays on the defense because Hamlin was out of position. The Bills did the right thing.

Much like AJ Epinesa, Boogie Basham will go down largely as a bad pick. In both cases the Bills are getting a replacement level rotational DE piece for a 2nd round pick. Not exactly the ROI you want to see. He’s not disinterested.. he just isn’t very good