Ecmic82

No, I just find it a little funny that there’s concern the Pats are going to hack field goal replay video. Hack it and do what with it 🤷‍♂️

Pats are known to deep-fake instant replays 🤣

What if it’s simply a very minor problem with officiating on field goals? And what if that problem could be fixed for a few thousand dollars?

Here’s the issue with setting the bar at “until someone can prove one of the calls is incorrect”. It’s literally an unobtainable requirement meant to promote the status quo, not find the most agreeable solution. could the NFL afford a few rigid springs and carbon rods to fix the problem? I think so 😂

There’s a ton of things In sport and life that, in some estimation, may call for “immediate action” that aren’t “major” problems 😂. and as a poster above observed, the OP wrote about the need for a tech fix in his post, so unsure why the premise of this thread DOESN’T at least partially involve using tech to solve a problem.

Yeah, a field goal attempt is MUCH closer to a binary event than are judgement calls that require rules interpretation, like pass interference. Field goals are purely judgement calls because only because we choose them to be.

Nope. I see very little argument here that the NFL has a “major” problem with calling field goals. I’m calling bull**** on that strawman framing. What I see are people calling for an easy fix to what could potentially be an issue in the future, and what has undoubtedly been an issue in the past. That’s it.

That’s the point here I think. A lot of people would like a simple tech fix to confirm these close calls. They’d be interested in such video, they’d be interested in refs having access to it, and they’d be interested in viewing it themselves, as you are.

What if there were definitive video evidence to prove otherwise? Would you want the refs to look at it? Would you find a passing interest in viewing it?

It's interesting because I think it's true, and it delves into an aspect of sport that actually transcends sport, so I think it'll be pretty much impossible to remove the human bias that influences a necessary rule (protecting the quarterback). Refs are refs, but more fundamentally refs are products of social norms that promote unequal adjudication of physical threat, so the NFL won't be able to reconcile what you describe from what the letter of their law says should be.

Man, watching Murray run is like watching James Harden drive to the basket. Not a knock, because it's hacking the system to get results, and that's all that matters. But a couple of those runs on Sunday ended in defensive personal fouls that were very questionable, and it was a bit... off-putting... to see him sliding into defenders' knees. But he's short and baseball-trained, so I'd blame him if he didn't do it. Also, the vast majority of Murray's runs were scrambles. Allen's issue on Sunday was most of his runs were designed options. Just my opinion, but it's super hard to justify a slide on an option play. Like, just don't run it at all if protecting the quarterback is a primary concern. There were a few designed runs Sunday where Allen should have slid though. The reverse field stiff-arm comes to mind. The knock-out against the Patriots is an all-time obvious one too. But to me alot of it comes down to design - scrambles are easier to justify slides, and I'd rather see plays designed to take advantage of Allen's scrambling ability (like clearing sides or something) as opposed to designed run plays where you're going to have to fight through a tackle or two to justify the call. But I'm a novice at that stuff so I don't know.

Don't know about this particular kick, but agree there's no reason not to have tech installed to conclusively solve the problem. Could easily put a camera onto each post pointing directly upward, or a camera fitted into the end of each goalpost, pointed upward with a field of vision equal the goalpost's diameter.

Illustration: Allen was 7-9 on third down throws. Of those seven completions, six were for a first down (the seventh got the Bills into a 4th and 1, which they converted). Average yards to go on those 7 completed attempts: 5 yards Average completion yardage on those seven attempts: 6.5 yards Josh Allen averaged 5 YPA on his third down throws. "Horrible number". But those throws led to first downs 67% of the time (no team cracked the 50%-for-the-season mark last year). So yeah, I'd take those horrible numbers all day 🤣

That was one. The Beasley one probably shouldn’t have been thrown but it was thrown in a pretty safe spot. I guess it’s a matter of starting expectation. I though Allen’s decision-making was great despite that throw, while others might view his overall decision-making as less than great because of that throw. I think that’s a bar too high for ANYONE to meet.

I counted 4 scramble runs on 50 designed passes. Not a high rate of scrambling in my opinion. And eminently reasonable in the modern NFL. would like to hear the specific WTF moments, and why you didn’t think his decision making was great overall.

2-3 on passes over 20 yards. Had another free play deep pass to brown that probably should’ve been caught. The pass to Beasley could’ve been better, but that was the type of pass he might’ve missed last year. Great drop-in 22 yarder to Diggs. 24% on 20+ yarders last year. Used snap-count to draw Jets offside on important third down. Looked like he audibled the play that resulted in Brown’s touchdown. designed passes stayed pass plays - which showed me that maybe he’s done a lot of work on going through progressions. Great decision making overall I thought. How many third down throws did he make that were well placed a yard or two past the marker? How many plays did Allen make where you asked, “Why on Earth did you decide to do THAT, Josh”? For me, barely any. Maybe my expectations are too low, but all I care to see is meaningful forward progress from Allen, and I saw that yesterday, especially in the two areas he NEEDED to improve upon - deep throws and decision making. I am happy.

Must’ve slept through that lecture. Old habit from college.

I mean, if you think all the social anxiety and unrest that we're now witnessing has it's origin in the George Floyd killing, and that none of those feelings of unrest existed in America before George Floyd's murder (the literal definition of a root cause), then yeah, we're going to disagree on that. Common ground isn't going to be found. Pretty much all the ingredients that went into producing the current climate predate Floyd's murder. Floyd's murder was a tipping point, not a root cause.

That's all noise to my point. I'm saying you're wrong that the root cause of current protest is "the excessive force used by a police officer on a black man." That is not the root cause.

That's not a root cause. It's a symptomatic effect.

OK, a QB absolutely needs to yell out "Black Lives Matter" during a kneel-down at some point this year ?

I think at this point the NFL is shifting toward a more long term financial strategy. I'm confident in saying the NFL will allow players to kneel this season. I'm also confident that the NFL's position won't be rooted in some moral obligation to allow peaceful protest. They'll allow peaceful protest because they think it's the more financially advantageous position to take. And I don't think they're wrong. The NFL has a pretty good track record of knowing where the money is.

LOL I know right? I mean, If Josh Allen begins to protest in support of Black Lives Matter DURING LIVE GAME ACTION, I'll be the FIRST to call for his benching or removing him from the team. But people really want to act like completely abdicating one's responsibility to their employer is analogous to an athlete taking a knee during the national anthem? Come on.

I mean, yeah, if you consider everything outside of personnel moves to be of no impact on unit ability year-over-year.

Here's the thing. The George Floyd "incident" (nice euphemism) shouldn't have had to be the spark to put "99.9% of everyone on the same side". This type of thing has been going on for CENTURIES. People are FINALLY coming around to the same side of this issue because voices like Colin Kaepernick's are no longer being silenced. Willful ignorance by people who'd just rather not have to deal with these issues is become less and less of an option. And no, it's not a political issue because of "far left" groups. This has been a political issue since day one of the country's founding. Was slavery not political? Was Jim Crow or segregation not political? Are things like redlining not ecopolitical? I'm not going too far out on a limb when I guess you just haven't had a reason to notice these types of injustices, or their centuries-long root in social governance. But yeah, it's ALWAYS been political, even for people that weren't born yesterday.