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Different people have different opinions and different rankings. Mayfield of course stands out, and other 4 rookie first round QBs have obvious flaws. Most people agree Allen and Jackson have to improve their passing/accuracy, but Darnold and Rosen also have to improve in certain areas in passing as well, for example:

after week week 16:

few more from Cover 1:

ok, whatever.

Good job at attacking me personally, I was just helping to balance the analysis in this very thread. Like I told you and you recently agreed, it's too early to tell who will be better.

Good!! And it'd be great if we can all start to post both sides of analysis instead of posting one side ranking/analysis.

If you read the link carefully, it actually takes more into account. But again, it's not the point. The point is that there are different analysis out there showing different conclusions. We can start to post both sides of analysis instead of only the ones matching one's agenda. As I told you and you recently agreed, it's too early to tell.

Do you miss the link in the twitter on what this advanced stat is and how it work? But anyway, it's not the point. The point is that there are different analysis out there showing different conclusions. We can start to post both sides of analysis instead of only the ones matching one's agenda. As I told you and you recently agreed, it's too early to tell.

Right, I told you it's pointless to argue who is better now again. Do you want me to remind you again that agree both are not finished products and both have different development curve, thus, even player A is better than player B now doesn't mean it'll still be the case once they are developed?

Sure, it's my opinion. Just like you have your opinion, I can also have my opinion. And no, no one can prevent you from going after "I told you so" only few games into their career. But I can also have my opinion that it's pointless and remind you that you agree both are not finished products and both have different development curve, thus, even player A is better than player B now doesn't mean it'll still be the case once they are developed.

All players are assessed weekly and arguing which rookie is better right now after few games into their career are different. The latter is pointless and is merely for the purpose of "I told you so". Like you said, both are not finished products and both have different development curve. Even player A is better than player B now doesn't mean it'll still be the case once they are developed.

Nah, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now with few games into their career unless it's for the purpose of "I told you so".

Exactly, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now after only few games into their career.

This is the key and it's pretty useless to argue who is better now after only several games into their career. It's not a secret that Rosen is deemed more pro ready, but you can't deny Rosen has better games but also has worse games so far in the few games he plays.

This sums up very well. Any sane person would agree both are rookies with bad support cast and it's way too earlier to claim who is better. It's pretty hyperbolic to use one standard on one rookie and then use a different standard on another rookie simply to claim "I'm right about which rookie is better" or "I told you so". And yes, this applies to both Allen supporters and Rosen supporters.

....Exactly....Mahomes has proven nothing on the field and it's only front office's confidence in him after seeing him during practice and in preseason games. Sounds quite familiar to Allen. ?

Pick any big time QB then from the first round that was supposed to be somebody. Cade McNown...Jim Druckenmiller.....Joey Harrington....pick one or all....I'll go find preseason game summarys for all of them if you want....you are missing my point. Mahomes is playing vanilla defenses, who aren't discguising coverages etc..they aren't gameplanning for him...like every game 1 and 2 of preseason ever. Mahomes has looked pretty good so far....and he should. I still don't think he'll make it (I am just a nobody on a message board with an opinion) ....I'd temper my expectations until I'd seen him against some NFL defesnes who are gameplanning, playing all their starters etc. That's it...I am not saying Mahomes is Leaf or Russel or Jeff George or Jim Kelly, Aaron Rodgers etc....

The issue I have mostly with his interviews is that he hardly talk about joining Arizona. He mentioned Cardinals few times including when he said he was upset after he didn't get picked in top 3 and thought he'd have to fake smile once he's picked, then he forgot all of it when he go the call. But in general, every time he mentioned Arizona, it's all standard comments/answers and doesn't seem from his heart that he is happy to join them. In general, he talks much more about himself than becoming a member of Arizona Cardinals. On the other hand, Allen talked about Buffalo Bills in almost all interviews after draft. He didn't just mention Bills, but really talked about it and was exciting to join the team.

First, if people are not familiar with "estimated wins" and "Pythagorean wins", they may be misled into thinking the above bold statement means using two different formulas resulting in similar results that Bills should only have 6~7 wins. In fact, "estimated wins" is just an adjustment from "Pythagorean wins". In other words, "estimated wins" would usually be fairly close to "Pythagorean wins" after Football outsiders adjust "Pythagorean wins" by DVOA(s), or the so called "forest index". The basic idea of "estimated wins" is to take strength of opponents into account. Second, with "estimated wins" based on "Pythagorean wins", the next question is what "Pythagorean wins" is? It's a formula created by Bill James for baseball advanced statistics. Only two factors are used, points for and points against. The following is the formula (after adjusted from Bill James' original formula): How good this formula is is up to debate. However, one obvious flaw in the formula is the sample size. Using points for and points against from 162 games and 16 games is totally different. With larger sample size like 162 games, few good/bad games and injuries have much smaller impact on points for and points against. The same can't be said to a 16-game sample size. Pretty much all Bills fans know this team won several close games this season and lost two games by large margins (10-47 against Saints and 24-54 against Chargers). Points for and points against are greatly affected by these games. Again, how good Pythagorean win formula is is debatable, but obviously it wouldn't work in football as well as baseball simply due to sample size.

Seriously, what's wrong with Zach Brown?? Any reasonable person would agree this kind of hit has no place in football especially in this CTE awareness era. Davante Adams: Thomas Davis was 'head hunting' with blindside hit that led to concussion

report is Brady smashed his phones after hearing the news and denied ever knowing the fan who pull the alarm. When asked about the smashed phone, Brady replied he thought iphone9 came out today.