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I don't think all-22 is out yet but the second tweet from Warren Sharp could help a little bit:

For this bold statement above, my understanding is that only when the end result is a turnover, the play gets auto-reviewed. In this case, it didn't end up as a turnover so there is no auto-review. Also, from the original article: "PFT has learned that replay review definitely was not involved in this decision", auto review didn't kick in for this particular play.

I didn't locate the exact rules in NFL rulebook but found this article relating to it when quickly googling it. Not sure if anything changes afterward. ---------------------------------------------------------- https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/224822/mike-pereira-wants-to-reveal-nfls-undercover-officiating-program In a conversation this week about his book, "After Further Review," Pereira reiterated and amplified a theory that he first advanced last year -- a premise that makes perfect sense but would undermine the transparency of NFL game administration. According to Pereira, referees regularly receive assistance and advice from replay officials on their wireless headsets, communication that helps them make accurate calls but would be in violation of rules the league itself has published and publicized. "They're never going to come out and admit it because it's not allowed in the rules," he said. "I get that. And I'm not against the notion of trying to get as many calls right as you can, but my only concern is if the rulebook doesn't allow you to do it -- to me, there is a conflict. I get the side of trying to avoid controversy, but I'd rather the rulebook allow it first." ----------------------------------------------------------

From the article: PFT has learned that replay review definitely was not involved in this decision. This means that no one should have been talking to any of the officials regarding whether or not the call for pass interference should have been changed, or whether some other penalty should have been called.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/14/something-fishy-happened-in-that-texans-chiefs-call/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It occurred with the Chiefs leading 17-9 in the second quarter, and driving for more with a first down on the Houson 32. Quarterback Patrick Mahomes fired a deep ball to the end zone, and it was intercepted by Texans defensive back Tashaun Gipson. Referee Shawn Hochuli initially informed the fans in the stadium and the TV audience that Texans defensive back Lonnie Johnson Jr. had committed defensive pass interference on Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, with the video showing Johnson grabbing Kelce and driving him into the ground. Then, as the teams were lined up for the next play at the spot of the infraction (the Houston 23), Hochuli and two other officials huddled. During the conversation, one of the other officials clearly can be seen pressing his finger against his ear, it what most likely was an attempt to better hear whatever someone was saying to him. PFT has learned that replay review definitely was not involved in this decision. This means that no one should have been talking to any of the officials regarding whether or not the call for pass interference should have been changed, or whether some other penalty should have been called. After the consultation, Hochuli announced “the contact that was potentially a hold was while the ball was in the air; it is not pass interference, because it was not on the receiver that caught the ball.” While a little clunky on the back end, the point was that the officials concluded, apparently with input from either the replay official or 345 Park Avenue, that the blatant hold on Kelce happened while the ball was in the air, and that Kelce wasn’t the intended receiver — making the ball uncatchable as to him and thus resulting in no interference. But the contact on Kelce seems to have clearly commenced and continued before Mahomes threw the ball. Thus, if there was going to be any type of consultation (even if technically unauthorized by the procedures for helping the officials on the field), someone should have told the officials that Johnson committed defensive holding on Kelce, with the interception nullified and possession given to the Chiefs, first and 10 from the Houston 27. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Go to 1:12 to see one of the officials seems to listen to something. Note that the play wasn't under review. Conspiracy? ?

BillsFan17 is dismissed. ? And when did I ever offer it to you? ?

I also have no idea who you are. Why would I want your allegiance?

I will align myself with NFL rulebook before I align my self with you. Pretty simple.

The only rulebook matters is NFL's and this is NFL's definition of forward pass. It's pretty clear imo. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/forward-pass/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 1 - FORWARD PASS ARTICLE 1. DEFINITION It is a forward pass if: the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent’s goal line) after leaving the passer’s hand(s) the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s hand(s). Note: A ball that is intentionally fumbled and goes forward is a forward pass. A ball that is intentionally muffed, and goes forward or backward, is a batted ball (12-5-1-Note).

First, a fly sweep sometimes can go wrong as the above video. Second, a mishandling is only regarded as an incomplete pass, not fumble. So it's better to not handle off the ball in this case.

Darnold is out again

Thanks, you make my day.

Glad I could talk some sense into you. I was just feeling it's so weird that you STILL blame the Oliver pick at #9 for Bills not drafting Metcalf now when you have hindsight.

But now you do have hindsight and you know Metcalf was available in their second round pick, why do you still blame the Oliver pick at #9 for Bills not drafting Metcalf? Shouldn't you blame Bill's 2nd round choice for not drafting Metcalf? You just said it yourself, with hindsight, you don't want Bills to use #9 pick on Metcalf.

Then why do you still blame the Oliver pick at #9 for Bills not drafting Metcalf since you have the hindsight now?

You didn't answer my question, my question was " So even with the hindsight, you still want to pick Metcalf at #9 even though you now know Bills could have picked Metcalf in 2nd round? "

But you're blaming Oliver for Bills not taking Metcalf, which looks really weird to me especially with the hindsight. The following is what you said in this thread regarding Oliver's pick at #9 and Metcalf was then brought up. So even with the hindsight, you still want to pick Metcalf at #9 even though you now know Bills could have picked Metcalf in 2nd round?

It's weird you hold it against Oliver because Bills didn't draft Metcalf with the #9 pick, especially you now have the hindsight on how the draft actually went that Metcalk dropped all the way to end of round 2. If you wanted to hold any of our picks for not drafting Metcalf, shouldn't it be Ford instead? Do you really prefer to still use #9 pick to draft Metcalf instead of arguing maybe using our 2nd round pick on him? Why do you still blame Oliver for not drafting Metcalf even with hindsight now ?

This link has the explanation of PBWR and PRWR: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24892208/creating-better-nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-stats-analytics-explainer-faq-how-work OK, what is this exactly? Our new Pass Block Win Rate metric tells us the rate at which linemen can sustain their blocks for 2.5 seconds or longer. Likewise, our Pass Rush Win Rate metric tells us how often a pass-rusher is able to beat his block within 2.5 seconds. Our model of pass blocking harnesses player tracking data from NFL Next Gen Stats. So, what can these stats help show? Now we finally have objective individual stats for linemen for their most critical tasks -- defending and attacking the passer. We can also know who is blocking whom on every snap, who was double-teamed, who got pressure from the edges and who got pressure by collapsing the pocket. The end result is that we can assess individual performance and team-level performance in the trenches separate and apart from the performance of the quarterback, receivers and secondary. How do they work? It's actually pretty simple -- there's no fancy machine learning involved. Our model uses the location, proximity and orientation of each player relative to every other player throughout a play to determine who is blocking whom. When a pass-rusher beats his block, we can tell which blocker allowed the pressure. And just as importantly, we know how long after the snap it occurred. Why are they better than stats? Metrics like QB pressures and time in pocket might be useful, but they can be misleading. A QB pressure can occur for several reasons other than unreliable pass protection, such as good coverage, poor route-running or missed reads by the quarterback. Our win rate metric isolates line play from those other factors. Also, time in pocket metrics don't know the difference between a quick read and release by the quarterback and ineffective pass protection. If a passer throws at 1.8 seconds after the snap, does that mean he only had 1.8 seconds to throw, or did he execute his read quickly? Our metrics know the difference.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard Oliver has 22% pass rush win rate after 3 games, only behind G.Jarrett, Donald, and Campbell. Top 10 DT Pass Rush Win Rate 1. Grady Jarrett, Falcons, 28% 2. Aaron Donald, Rams, 27% 3. Calais Campbell, Jaguars, 26% 4. Ed Oliver, Bills, 22% 5. Chris Jones, Chiefs, 22% 6. Quinton Jefferson, Seahawks, 21% 7. Maliek Collins, Cowboys, 20% 8. Eddie Goldman, Bears, 19% 9. Corey Peters, Cardinals, 16% 10. Christian Covington, Cowboys, 16% Also, in the same link above where it also has pass block win rate stats, Morse is #10 (94%) among the centers, only Bills' O-line in top 10 in individual positions. However, Bills has an overall 63% pass block win rate which is good for #6 in all 32 teams.

Yes, at 24:27 mark of this video from Cover 1. The throw was bad, no question about it. However, Allen still did good things in this play where he breezed safety with a slight pump fake to free up Brown before the (bad) throw. This whole video is a great analysis, take a look if you have time.

Yolo? I remember it was 26 who spent lots of time complaining about Allen and posting many tweets to promote Rosen last season. Even when Rosen didn't play well during the season, he still managed to find tweets saying Rosen's underneath numbers were good or it's Cardinals OL's fault. I recall there was a long running thread about Rosen's era in Arizona that got bumped by 26 every time Rosen had a ok game or had few good throws.

no, it's not both ways. It's to the people using completion percentage as an indicator of Allen's inaccuracy and now, with Allen's completion higher than 60% after two games, checking with these people again on what's the next metric they would like to use regarding his accuracy issue. Most people do know completion percentage is very different to accuracy and do not say >60% completion percentage means he's accurate. So, what's the next metric? Exactly. For the people like to use completion percentage as an indicator of accuracy, they should check all Darnold's 28 "impressive" completions in week 1 resulting in 68% completion rate.

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I’m glad he is out of division and we do not play Saints this year. It’s not because he is any good but I’m worried his cheat shot on Allen. It’s a pity Kiko turns out to be this kind of sad player.