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Yes, but I also don’t want to be stuck in playoff limbo, where we are too successful to land another solid piece to win a super bowl. I’m ok being in the rams seat if it means we win a super bowl. We have to get the monkey off our backs.

There is always a simp fan willing to eat a plate of poo. Easiest business in the world.

I won’t buy tickets, etc. Just like did with Ralph after some time. But it doesn’t matter, there will always be a sucker fan that replaces. Owning the Bills is the easiest business on Earth.

I will always be an active cyber fan, what I mean by lurking is financially protesting.

I’m done making excuses for this team. No more crappy this or crappy that. Show me the baby. They got embarrassed by Cinci, and until we beat them and make it to the super bowl, I refuse to believe otherwise. So what excuse will be this year when Beane fails to win a super bowl? Or the next year when he doesn’t win a super bowl. How long does Beane have to fail before you put him in the hot seat?

Von Miller wasn’t really a super bowl swinging trade, it was getting us to a point where we could reliably stop opponents enough to outscore. You must forget we had an elite DE during the super bowl years, and it by itself wasn’t enough to win a super bowl. You need power house offensive players to win a super bowl. Cinci, KC, Philly, and SF have all proved that. SF went out and got CMC to go along with Kittle and Deebo. Philly has 2 great WR, and Cinci has 3 great WRs. We have only 1. We aren’t going anywhere without getting another big time offensive weapons like all the other teams do. It’s why we got spanked and embarrassed by Cincinnati. So what is Beane’s plan then? Go get a 1B WR in the draft? That almost likely means taking a WR at #27. What WR in the draft is comparable to Hopkins, and are we going to see immediate impacts on offense from the #27 WR more so than we would get with Hopkins? At some point Beane has to just make it happen, he has to go down swinging rather than walking it back. Walking it back is unacceptable.

As opposed to crucifying him for not winning the super bowl while sitting on his hands running it back? You can’t win without risk, he’s on the hot seat no matter what, so you might as go down swinging, and now is the time you throw those haymakers. As opposed to running it back and hoping the draft picks are enough to push us over the edge? What if we draft for 2 more years and we still haven’t won a super bowl? At some point you have to take a big swing.

But at what point are you willing to give Beane to see if his ideas will win the Bills a SB? What harm is there to bringing Hopkins on board, isn’t this the time to make risky moves when you are like one major piece a way from winning a super bowl? We proved that we couldn’t outscore Cinci. They lost no major offensive weapon this offseason, so we need to do something on offense that will give us a a competitive advantage. I can’t think of any other reasonable scenario better than trading for Hopkins. Can you think of anything better at the moment?

My main point was doing what it takes to land Hopkins or at the very least doing everything it takes to keep him out of KC. Yes, if KC was indeed willing to give a 3rd and eat salary, then yes we should offer a 2nd. It doesn’t sound like it would take that much, so no I wouldn’t support just giving then anything for the sake of anything. I just want to give them what it takes to land Hopkins. There are no other WRs out there that are reasonably had other than Hopkins. So it would be a big failure not being about to land him.

What is miserable about want to win a super bowl, and accepting anything less as failure? The whole point of playing NFL football is to win a super bowl, that goes for any competition. I guess it means being miserable if you don’t recognize participation trophies.

No Bills fan is going to care about paying off Hopkins salary even after he’s gone if it means we win a super bowl this year. Nobody.

I’m fine with letting Beane do things his way, but so far his way hasn’t gotten us anywhere. How long do we wait? 2 more years? 5 more years? When does his strategic methods become accepted as a failure? For me a 7-9 team is the same thing as a 14-3 team that didn’t win a super bowl. See that’s where our ideological differences are. You accept 2nd and 3rd place as an accomplishment. If you want to be a fan of playoffs, then I can’t stop you.

Being the owner of an NFL franchise is the easiest business ever. Imagine being in charge of a product that sells no matter how great it is.

Well why should they when they have suckers for fans that will gladly eat a pile of poo like it’s a plate of the finest Italian risotto. Must be nice to be an owner that knows cash flow will always be there because of dopey fans that accept anything short of a super bowl victory.

That’s not what I want, I just don’t want AZ to get mad with us and then decide they don’t want to deal with us or give him to another team. They ultimately control where Hopkins goes. We need Hopkins, we desperately need another offensive weapon to compete against KC/Cinci. Negotiating over picks or salary eating is stupid. I’m not saying to give whatever they want, but it sounds like what AZ is asking for isn’t totally outrageous. It just sounds like Beane is trying to nickel and dime when this situation doesn’t call for that. It’s his job to upgrade and just get on with it, even if that means compromising more than what he thinks is “fair” .

LOL imagine getting mad at fans that want to win Super Bowls. Running it back is not a recipe for winning a super bowl when we proved the roster wasn’t good enough to beat Cinci when it mattered. We have to continue getting better, and so far no moves have been made that shows me we’ve upgraded past KC/Cinci. Hopkins is a defacto upgrade, and it proves to me we are trying to get better. As a fan, that’s all I can ask for, moves that show me you are trying to get better. So far, Beane has proven that we don’t deserve Josh Allen. We have barely done anything outside of Diggs to help him, it’s always been about what McD wants on defense. I honestly feel bad for him.

What does that honestly mean? Would trading for Hopkins not be what is best for the team, even if it means doing restructures or moving on from other value pieces like Oliver? It’s about risk reward. It’s about providing our best asset (Josh Allen), with multiple weapons to get us a super bowl victory. I don’t see how running it back on offense is what’s best for the team. Explain how fielding a same offensive roster is better than trading for Hopkins if that means eating his salary.

Well they should care what I think, because I’m the one giving them money for putting a “winning” product on the field. I’m paying them to win a super bowl, that’s it. If they can’t bring one in under Allen, then I’m likely done being a fan and giving them my money. If you guys want to be a fan of mediocrity, have fun with that. I lurked during the drought years, I refused to give Ralph money for being mediocre. Then the Pegula’s came along and I thought things have changed for the better, then we got Allen and I’ve been supportive ever since. My ultimatum with the Pegulas is a super bowl under Allen’s tenure. If they fail, I will be going back to lurking and not a paying fan until changes are made.

LOL imagine thinking wanting to win a super bowl is such a “terrible” want for a Bills fan. Sue me, I want to win a super bowl. GM’s need to understand it doesn’t matter what they want. They work for the owners who ultimately have to work for the fans because the fans are what makes the NFL. It’s sad to see so many fans simp and accept just being entertained. Some fans don’t even care about winning a super bowl, they are just happy watching football. It’s one of the reasons why my passion for being a Bills fan is dwindling somewhat. For me it’s about winning a super bowl, and the Pegula’s have been pretty adamant about being an endless check writer. So I don’t blame ownership at all currently. Right now my blame lies solely on Beane for failing to win a super bowl. If Beane trades for Hopkins, it will dramatically shift my perceptions about him. It will show to me that he understands where the issues are and he’s doing everything he can to make it happen.

Ultimately does it really matter if you buy it or not? Nothing we say or do on here matters one iota to management or to other fans. I’m just a sad Bills fan tired of losing and never winning a super bowl.

Nope, I’ve said win one before I die since I’ve been a Bills fan. I mean it. Yeah it would be really nice to win multiple Super Bowls, but I just want to get the first one so we can stop obsessing over the failure. It will be a huge relief turning point for the fan base.

But at least it indicates that they are trying everything they possibly can. It’s better than sitting on their hands and running it back. Running it back and failing again is way worse than gambling on an elite piece and failing again. I can accept the latter, but I will not accept the former.

They won a super bowl. That is all that matters. Winning a super bowl. Nobody is going to care if we suck for 2 years after a super bowl, because we still have Josh Allen that we can eventually reload around. First thing is first winning a super bowl, you can’t win multiple Super Bowls if you don’t get the first one done. It doesn’t matter what matters to Beane, the only thing that matters is what matters to the fans. We pay for the show, and it’s about doing what the fans want. The NFL doesn’t exist without the fans. Beane needs to understand that. His job is to win a super bowl for the fans, no matter if Beane likes certain moves or not.

This is my major fear. Something like that would be the last straw for me. I could never support Beane again if that were to happen.

But we have be supposedly interested for a week now. What is the hold up? If it’s silly negotiations over value or salary eating, that is just stupid. It doesn’t matter at this point in time. I just say it out of excitement, I’m not expecting Beane to do anything, because I don’t think he has what it takes to get us a super bowl. I’m hoping he proves me wrong though by trading for Hopkins. Overpaying is just a silly argument right now, nobody is going to give two spits if it’s a 1st round this year or next year and eating salary. Nobody. Because it will likely mean we win a super bowl this year.