Virgil

Leodis made a mistake. He was one of many of them. I'm not calling for anyone's head here. Well, maybe the Offensive Coordinators for not getting it done when he had the chance at the end. But I also feel like no one is going anywhere this year or next. They want stability and have said that

I'm definitely not blaming any single player. Obstacles and mistakes happen all the time and all teams have to overcome them. There were so many factors in the game today and the end result is the end of another season and overall feeling that we are not a team with a winning culture. We just aren't there and I see nothing to make me optimistic that it's going to chance. I see the coaches getting retained. I see Orton doing well enough, but still no faith in our ability to get a successor. I just see a team that doesn't know they can get it done and can't focus enough to play like a professional when it counts. This loss makes the Lions and Vikings wins seem more like luck than anything else

You could also say that we shouldn't have beaten Detroit between their missed FG's and Watkins acrobatic catch and the Vikings with that lucky catch by Hogan. With that, we could easily be 3-7

Is Orton the answer to the Bills question about a Franchise QB? No Is Orton the answer to if he should start over EJ? Yes

Players are going to make mistakes. Yes, we could have been up big, but we still had a chance to win. If you have the ball on the 15 with 4 minutes left to go and down by 4. You have to score there. Regardless of what happened before in the game. The playcalling there and execution was terrible. No attempt at a first down. Almost all prayer throws. Just a joke of playcalls.

It's been a long time since I've been this pissed off after a game. Usually, I'm just numb. But holy ****. I mean, HOLY !@#$ING ****! I don't know that I ever really thought we were going to make the playoffs, but I at least had hope. I knew we had to do well this month with the last 3 of 4 games we have to play. And coming off a bye week...... I'm just gonna say it. These guys are millionaires. Yes, they get paid million of dollars to play this game. So, when I see the fumble out the back of the endzone. The numerous dropped passes in the first half. The fumble on the punt return. I'm sorry, but it's just unacceptable. Then you have the refs. The !@#$ing refs. Are you kidding me with some of these calls. I'm sorry, but to say that refs are people who get caught up in the momentum of a game is bs. I don't know if it's an equalizer effect or what, but there is a "benefit of the doubt" that was against the Bills today. That Offensive PI call was a !@#$ing joke. And the playcalling at the end. Are you !@#$ing kidding me? No attempt to get closer to a first down. All 4 passes into the endzone? 2 of them jumpballs? What the !@#$ was that? We had time. Maybe a draw up the middle. I was actually happy with the playcalling up until the end. The offense just couldn't execute. But that last drive near the endzone was a !@#$ing joke. And no, Orton doesn't get a pass. Yes, your players dropped balls in the first half and the team kept putting you in a poor situation to win. However, you missed two TD with the miss to Chandler and the terrible throw to Woods. And at the end of the game, those throws to the endzone were terrible. So no, just because they dropped balls doesn't give you the right to !@#$ing suck at the end. This game is the summation of what it means to be a Bills fan. Coming off a Bye week, against this team, with this defense, should have been a win. Offensively, our head wasn't in the game enough to keep making stupid mistakes. I blame the coaches for that. We are out of the playoffs. It's a done deal. I'll place any wager you want to on it. We are 5-4. We will lose to the Pats, Packers, and Broncos. That's 7 losses right there. If you think we are going to run the table on everyone else, especially after today? I'm sorry, but you are delusional. We are going to be lucky to finish 8-8 and right now I'm thinking 7-9. We will beat the Raiders. But the Browns, Dolphins, and Jets...I can easily see us losing one of those. Just on coaching and mental ineptitude. So thank you Bills. Thank you for ending the season a week into November again. We are going to finish in the Dick Jauron era again and this time with a better team. Blame who you want. I'm going to go with culture from coaching.

That's a TD pass that no QB has made since Kelly. That was perfect. Speed, accuracy, anticipated

I'm sorry, but no. We may need a better O-Line, but many do more with less. The issue with him is his total lack of creativity and playcalling. We run on first and second down and it's always right up the middle. We don't pull and guards. We don't run any counters. We are just very, very predictable. Now granted, how much we run has set up our big play downfield. But that's about it

There is no way we are going to be able to keep all of these guys together. Hughes is going to command big money as is Dareus. We can't afford to pay our 4 D-Lineman that much and field the rest of the team. The only thing we have going for us is that we don't need to pay our linebackers crap as they are all in their rookie deals.

Did you hear about those teams that make the playoffs?

I have no problem with the amount we are running the ball. But I do have a problem with how obvious we are with it. I can't remember the last counter, screen, or sweep we ran. I get it, NFL defenders are fast, but c'mon. Screens offset the blitz and pressure Counters prevent over-pursuing Sweeps mix up the run defensive looks The Pats made us look stupid with all the misdirection. We are very transparent with our playcalling. Fortunately, we have some real playmakers getting it done for us. We won by 20!

Against the Pats, yes we should have. Today, no. With scrambling Qb's, you need to contain and even still it's tough. I thought we played them pretty beautifully for the most part. They pulled a lot of plays our of their butts

I love being wrong

I've thought this for a while now. For a penalty that most players say happen on every play in some form, 10 yards is a drive killer. Almost everything else, besides a personal foul, is only 5. I think this makes almost too much sense to drop it to 5 yards, but I don't think I've ever heard it talked about. Am I missing something?

Jet 17-Bills 10. Bills make it look close with a 4th quarter field goal. Neither team looks good, but it's a field position game where our o-line gets dominated and the Jets get one big play TD and another from a short field possession

For someone who doesn't like the premise of this thread, you seem to keep coming back to it a lot

If four #1's and that year's #2 wouldn't have done it, what would have?

It blows my mind how people can't read the context of what I'm saying. I know it wasn't going to happen nor could happen now. I'm just having fun with the idea of, how would people have responded had that happened two years ago? When the draft started, we walked up to the podium first after giving away those 5 picks. How would that have gone down? And, now that we are two years later, it's almost funny how it would almost be a no brainer to me

Do you remember the exact moment you decided you hated fun?

I think that's the case for most qb's. But I believe Luck is the exception to that. He's just that good. Look at the team he took over and what he did immediately.

Again, I know it wouldn't happen now nor am I proposing it as reality. I'm saying, at the time, would you have traded four 1sts and that 2nd for the 1st overall pick. The end result is the players I named

In hindsight. Basically, would you have trade those 4 players for Luck. That's basically the 1st and 2nd the year Luck came out and the next 3 1sts. I'm not saying I know that would get it done, but I feel like it's in the ballpark. Personally, I'd do it. EJ isn't a loss if we have Luck. Gilmore isn't the shutdown corner we thought he'd be. Glenn is still a question mark. I always find it interesting to look at trades involving picks after the picks have been made. To me, this is a no brainer. Just fun speculation

See the dick jauron extension for my thoughts on this

I don't care about 3-3 or being in 2nd in the division or the next 6 games against weak teams. What bothers me is how terribly exposed we got today. I mean, we looked outplayed by a superior team that really isn't superior. Gronk hasn't been that dominant against anyone until today. None of those receivers have put on a show like they did. The offensive line has gotten man handled all season, but Brady had pretty much all day. We are a team that had the 2 headed monster, a terrorizing defensive line, and beat some of the top defenses in the league. Today's game made every truth we knew about the Bills and Pats seem like complete farces. Yes, Brady was Brady. But we let him be Brady. He made us look silly out there. The mis-direction plays seemed to work 100% of the time. His receivers just kept making plays on us. Yes, they made some great plays, but is it a coincidence that it's always against us? End of the day, I feel like we are just giving people the blueprint more and more to beat us and we aren't making the adjustments necessary. The second half is proof of that. Seriously, it's a joke the time Brady had to throw. It's a joke how badly Gronk continues to make us look. And it's a HUGE JOKE, how badly we start games offensively with these 2 yard runs up the middle. Seriously, Hackett should have been taking notes on what it means to study an opposing defense and gameplan for it. Even if we win the next 6, what does it matter if this is how we are going to show up against the team we know we have to go through to win the division?

Defensive line without question. They had 3 rookies starting and our pressure was ****. Brady had all day. Offensive play calling in first half was a joke like always