Virgil

Why am I not surprised. It's always to say you want better without giving examples.

What's infuriating is how often they practiced them in training camp

Agreed on all his points. He's still a thin skinned little B word though

The Steelers offense is fantastic as was the Cardinals under his watch. He's been with a consistent winning franchise and can see how it's done. I think he's worth another chance and he definitely won't be friends with the players. His performance is as proven as you could want. I'm also okay with Josh McDaniels.

2 and 3 are going to be real questions. Based off of today, I think #1 is too.

I really believe we need to go offensive minded for our next coach. I think an average, simple scheme coach will improve our defense.

Alternatives? Never post a nope without a solution.

1 - Todd Haley. Can work with out offense as is without skipping much of a beat. Doesn't matter to me who he bring in as defensive coordinator. A simpler defense would make this team better, IMO. 2 - Tyrod Taylor. I think he's cheap enough and better than other options. It's the head coach's call though. I don't personally see a good QB to draft and Romo is too brittle. I think TT is our best option, doesn't mean I'm sold on him. 3 - Alshon Jeffrey. I resperve the right to change my mind, but I don't want to wait for a rookie WR to develope and we need someone opposite Sammy and a backup for his foot.

Todd Haley

Some things go without saying at this point

With another season in the books, it's hard to not sit back and wonder what makes the factory of sadness in Buffalo worse than any other franchise in sports? I'm going to take a shot here and I'm warning you now, I'm going to be all over the place Patriots - I genuinely believe that having the bad luck of being in the Pats division with Brady and the Hoodies is the biggest reason for our failure. I never want to luck into the playoffs, but we never get a season where 9-7 gets you in. We get 2 losses from them more often than not and it's always a battle for the wildcard. The City/Facilities/Culture - Winning inspires winning. Confidence inspires more confidence. I think the Bills as a franchise are missing something at a fundamental level and I don't know what it is. Is it the acceptance in knowing we will find a way to lose? When you KNOW you are capable of doing something, you rarely make a mistake doing it. When you are unsure, you might overthink or hesitate. Maybe we have a subpar facility and everything operational on this team just doesn't compare to other teams. I really don't know. This years offense - I got on the bandwagon about our 20+ points per game, leading rushing attack, and yards/attempt. But then I looked at time of possession and total plays. We are home run or nothing team. We did it great against Oakland in the first half last week. 6 minute drives that turned into points. But other than that, we are either a 3 and out or a TD. Our long runs offset the fact that we can't grind first downs, 3 yards at a time. We don't have passing identity of any kind. I think this season has proven that being a running based team just doesn't work anymore in the NFL. I know the defense was poor this year. I know there were all kinds of other issues with the team. But when I think about all of it and where we are after 17 years, I can't help but think these 3 things are our biggest, current issue.

Finally got a snowy game in December with the chance to keep our slim playoff hopes alive as well as save some jobs, but the Bills didn't seem to show up and we are in typical end of season question mode. 1. Attitude - With what was on the line, you would hope to have seen the same Bills team that came out against the Seahawks on Monday night. Instead, the same Bills that played the second half against the Raiders. Even Shady, who is normally our biggest sparkplug, just didn't have his mojo. I'm not going to pretend to know what happens in the locker room and at the front office, but this was a very dejected team from the opening snap. Even if we win out, I think the tone has been set about this for the season and Rex's tenure. They didn't show up today and played like they could see the writing on the wall. 2. Carpenter - I have to get this out of the way early because I'm just over it and don't want to think about it anymore. The missed extra point showed up again and ever worst, the worst onside kick attempt I've ever seen. That kick was the perfect example of the overall game. When it was all on the line, the execution was beyond horrible. I'm completely fine with bringing real competition in for kicker next year. 3. Tyrod - I could go at TT from a bunch of different angles today. Depending on the drive, either he was horrible with his inability to run the ball, overthrow WR's, or holding the ball too long. On the flip side, you could also point out the drives where he had absolutely no time to throw the ball or his WR's just dropped catchable passes. This is another feast game for the TT haters and deservedly so. I'm still on the bandwagon of picking up his option because it's cheap and I think our new coach (more on that later) could have success with him. It's not that I'm in love with TT, I just don't know what better options will present themselves. 4. Lately I've been feeling low A remedy is what I'm seeking I take a taste of what's below Come away to something better What I want is what I've not got And what I need Is all around me Reaching searching never stop And I'll say... 5. Brown - I'll be honest, I get confused sometimes as to which Brown was which, but Preston seemed to just absolutely give up out there. I saw him give up on so many plays that I don't know how he didn't get benched. He was just jogging, not fighting through blocks of inferior opponents. It was disgraceful. 6. Gilmore - Looks like Gilmore played this season like a chess game. He's making all the right moves at the right time and will have a nice little statline by the end of the season. But in all fairness, he played a great game and his INT wouldn't made more of a difference in a competitive game. I think he's all but gone after the season as he will get the contract we are unwilling to pay. 7. Defensive Line - I don't know if they gameplan is to rush 3 or 4 and drop everyone into coverage, but the lack of defensive pressure we are getting is alarming. I could make excuses last week with the quality of Oakland's line, but this week was terrible. Big Ben had all day to pick us apart, especially on 3rd down, and that's what he did. How we led the league in sacks is beyond me and I want to know where all that money spent on these guys is going. 8. Offensive Scheme and WR's - Finally looking forward to a somewhat healthy wide receiver team and we saw drops, 5 yard hitch routes, and very little deep shots. It was incredibly frustrating to watch the Steelers offense come on the field after ours and show us how it can be done. I think Lynn has done a decent job, but I'm starting to think that he doesn't know how to make a complete gameplan. It's either short or long balls. Home runs or strike outs. 9. Bell - 300 all purpose yards and the 2nd 200 yard rusher against the Bills this season (a record btw). His patience and field vision was great to see. He's a very smart runner and doesn't look like he's got a big gain, and then he does. All of his yard were calculated and the type of game that I think Shady is capable of. Either way, the one positive thing today was being able to watch an athlete of his caliber. 10. Rex - Sorry Rex, but it's time to go. This team has given you all it can and you've shown all you can do. Maybe it's the curse of the Ralph, who knows. But there is absolutely no signs of this getting any better. Your only strength is our biggest weakness and your coaches are all products of Rex. Only a full house cleaning will get it done. With that, I'm officially on the Todd Haley bandwagon. I think Haley can do good things with our offense as it is. If he wants to bring in another QB, I'd shut up and trust his judgement. On defense, I don't think he can do much worse. I think he is an obtainable target and would give me hope immediately going into the next season. That's it guys. This was a tough one as it was an ugly loss with a score that didn't come close to reflecting how the game actually was. Just no effort across the board and you would think they got eliminated weeks ago and weren't getting paid.

I'm listening to it right now on WGR and they are blasting Rex. Calling his defense a failure, going after him and his job, it's brutal and they can't wait to speak over each other. I would feel bad for him, but then I remember what's happened to our team and how much money he makes.

+1

Yeah, just taking some time off

It's shown me that people hope for bad TT games so they can't get their threads out there about him. Seriously, how many of these do we need?

And that pretty much sums you up as a poster. Wasn't quite sure what to make of you on this board. But name calling, adorable.

Yeah...rough day for him

He had a bad game. It happens. Doesn't mean he isn't our qb and shouldn't be supported. I don't know what making a thread like this does for you every week? Do you think think Whaley, Rex, or him read this? Just put "Cut TT" in your sig and move on already. We all saw the game. I'm a Bills supporter. I do like TT because, as stated multiple times, he's the best we have, their aren't better options out there, and he's relatively cheap. He still scored over 20 points today btw. He gets credit for that too. That's the most I'm going to feed into this today. I'm sorry this consume you so much. It must make each game really hard for you to watch.

I actually thought it would come down to a final drive by the Raiders and our D would have to hold. They got me

No idea honestly. What has he proven? Now, if he brings his D coordinator friend from Philly with him, I'm listening....

Traveling to the West Coast, playing the 2nd best team in the AFC, didn't give me high hopes for this game. I know we need it and the Bills have found a way to come out hot in some of these games. Both things turned out to be true, but so did the ultimate truth of being the Buffalo Bills. 1. TT - Let's just get this out of the way now. His inconsistency in these games is becoming consistent. The only excuse I can make for him is the playcalling rhythm. We were pass happy in the first quarter, run happy after that. Then we couldn't figure out what we were after that. Not a good excuse, but it's all I got. TT missed more throws today after the first quarter than I can remember seeing him miss in a long time. He was missing deep, missing guys wide open (on replay), and just not able to get out pocket. It's going to be a bash-fest for the TT haters this week, so I'd stay away form the boards for those who support him. Side note, his thumbs up before the rushing TD to Gilly was pretty funny. 2. Mack - Nothing against Sammy, but when we traded up in that draft, I was really hoping he was our pick. We held him in check for 3 quarters and I was really proud of Mills. And then Mack found a way with both the tipped pass and recovering the fumble. Results matter and he effectively killed any chance of a comeback we had. 3. Seymour - Kid got abused today. I don't blame him for the Cooper TD because he had no business being on him. But Crabtree just ate him alive out there. I also blame Rex for knowing his secondary was hurt and still tried covering two 1k receivers in man so much. Just seemed like a poor choice and evident early. I don't know if this is why we dropped so many into coverage (more on that later), but hopefully he will learn from today. 4. Ok at me dreaming of you All I could hope is to have you To have you walking with me Laughing so in love, we two Almost drunkenly I did imbibe of this Fantasy of you and me 7. Red Zone Defense - If I'm not mistaken, we were the best Red Zone defense in the league through the first half of the year. Now? I can't imagine that still being the case. I could be wrong. When I saw Rob Ryan lose it on the sideline after one of the TD's, all I could think was "Oh my god, we have Rob Ryan on our coaching staff." I mean, what did we expect with the guy who got booted out of Dallas and New Orleans. 6. Overall Defense - I'm trying really hard to see the Magic of Rex on defense. 29 second half points, against any team, is just inexcusable. I give a ton of credit to the Raiders offensive line. Probably the second best in the league, after the Cowboys. With Carr in year 3, Cooper in year 2, and Crabtree living up to his potential, I think the Raiders will be the toast of the West and AFC for a solid decade. Even still, we never made Carr uncomfortable, never really got a pass rush. And when dropping 8 into coverage, still got smoked. The second half adjustments ripped us apart. Our defense seems to be getting worse in the second half and I just don't see it getting any better. We definitely don't look like a team that was leading the league in sacks. 8. 3rd down defense - Another week, another game of penalties and 3rd and longs giving the opposing team a first down. It's a real problem, if not our biggest one. This is a discipline thing to me. Knowing when to buckle down, not make the dumb mistakes, and make the opposing team press and come to you. It's not happening and a microcosm of our teams problems. 9. Wide Receivers - Sammy wasn't on the field for the second to last drive and disappearing more in the second half. I want him out there, but if we can't keep him out there and changing out our Wr's and effecting the offensive rhythm, it might be better to sit him. Goodwin showed flashes in the second half, which makes his disappearances that much more frustrating. Hunter's been with the team long enough where I would think he should be more of a weapon, but what do I know. Maybe it's all TT's fault. Who knows? 10. Schmidt - I don't know what's going on with him, but this is another game where he killed us. His ability to boom one can easily offset a 3 and out. Didn't happen today and he helped the Raiders momentum with good starting field position. I think I'm about back on the FireRex campaign. I don't see us winning at home next week against the Steelers. I have no reason to believe the Jets or Dolphins are gimme's. More importantly, I don't see the team improving as the season goes on. I blame him for the Shaq pick. I've never hid that. No matter what you think of him, you can't say he's making an impact. He made a terrible decision to get caught inside on a long Murray run. He's not responsible for anything on offense and the defense is lackluster to say the least. I've said it each week, we make 2 good plays, and then 1 bad play to undo it all. We are not a mentally strong, fundamental team. This team is 100% what Rex wants out there, from players to coaches. It's not a playoff team and no off-season draft is going to change that. Even if we get a solid, healthy #2 WR, RT, and S. I can't say that it will be enough for us to be better. I hate changing coaches. I hate the idea of losing Lynn as OC, because I do want to see a healthy offense, a full off-season for him, and TT for one more year. A new coach will blow that up. But long term, Rex hasn't proven anything in almost 6 years and that doesn't appear to be changing. As Bills fans say in December, we aren't mathematically eliminated yet, so I'll see you next week in December. Don't let the loss get you down, Raiders are good and it was always going to be tough. Enjoy Bills football while you can, only 4 more games. Go Bills!

Does this mean we aren't going to be in the top 10 overall defense category anymore?

28 second half points. Ouch. And yes, the Pegulas need to go grab a franchise QB. I'm pretty sure they are just laying around everywhere

He doesn't call the plays.