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You're better than this. Be better. First of all, in the original source, Tim Graham on the Tim Graham and Friends podcast, Graham described how disconsolate Allen was after the game, really taking the loss hard, sitting there after the game at his locker in his pads still, with a towel over his head. Second, even Tim Graham - who was there - didn't know what Diggs said to Allen, so you can stick your "didn't want to hear...." creation somewhere. I have no idea what "players quitting throughout the 2022 season" means. Last, there are constructive ways and destructive ways to call a guy out. If you want to actually ahve a constructive impact, you need to do things in a constructive way.

Here is a link to the original coverage with my transcript If we're gonna discuss this in its own thread, maybe we can go to the source.

What do you think it explains? This was previously presented and transcribed, not as interpreted by Florio but from the original Tim Graham and Friends podcast. The context is that Allen was taking the loss hard, was still sitting at his locker with a towel over his head, disconsolate. Kyle Allen was trying to console him and a stream of other players was coming by to offer Allen an encouraging word

Sedona and kayaking don't go together in my mind. Is this whitewater? We have friends visiting with their two Elkhounds. We'll be driving South tomorrow am (4 people and 3 dogs) to a state recreation area almost on the centerline of the totality. The significant unknown is the forecast is "partly cloudy" so crossing fingers. The rest of the unknown is just how nuts southern MO will be with this.

Wish I could vote for more than one. Declining talent AND Good receiver for me.

I noticed him. The Bills game plan treated him the way Roadrunner treats Wylie Coyote

Right-o, that's why he played a legendary game in NE where the Bills scored a TD on every drive - because he's "kind of bad" at pre-snap reads and "really bad" at post snap reads. Whatever you say

So....when McKenzie shot the bald eagles, he was just trying to "take one for the team"? (OK I know there's gonna be someone....WE'RE JOKING HERE, OK?)

Wait, @Buffalo716, Just what are you saying here? Are you trying to tell me that footballs ARENT stuffed with feathers? I thought the feathers were to help them fly!

I think his son is still on house arrest with an ankle monitor, so Good Luck With That

Not just coaching but the rest of the talent OK to the rest of it, good points and wise advice. To the first of it, "admits to not being a film junkie" isn't even what Josh actually said, but I've provided transcripts and all the rest of it so I've run up the white flag on that battle

Joe Montana was 37 years old and had missed one entire season and a second season until the final game due to an elbow injury at the point he was traded to a different team, where it wasn't just that he didn't have Jerry Rice - he didn't have much So not exactly a comparable situation Also, no offense to Stefon Diggs - but he's no Jerry Rice.

I believe the bolded is what Greg Cosell meant, when he said the facts on tape show that Diggs "was not a #1 WR at this point in his career": that he has lost the ability to separate down the field. Now that can be true for various reasons: 1) Diggs could have sustained some injury that was hampering him at the end of the season 2) He was being used differently - only on short routes - under Joe Brady for no explicable reason 3) He had checked out mentally and was mailing it in 4) the undefeated Father Time is catching up to him I do think Diggs was getting their best CB from most teams but yeah, he wasn't being double covered and bracketed and taken away down the stretch.

I'd just like to throw in here that given the way the league has operated in the past, I would predict that Rice's legal team will delay any legal procedings until well into or after the season, and NFL discipline, if any, will be applied to the 2025 season. So nothing to worry about here for the Chiffs.

I actually don't agree that Allen hasn't improved since 2020. He had his highest completion % and yards in 2020, but there's more to being a great QB than those two parameters. In 2021, early in the season, Josh played an amazing, patient, "take what the defense gives" game against the Chiefs. The comeback they played against Tampa Bay when he took them to OT absolutely made Tom Brady a fan. He then played two utterly amazing games at the end of the 2021 season - the NE playoff game where the Bills scored a TD on every single drive of the game, and Bill Belicheck actually came to the locker room after the game to offer respect to Josh, then the 13-second game against KC. Those and other games in 2021 were games that showed a step in his level of QB play - not his completion % or YPG, but his mental grasp of the game. I find 2022 and 2023 difficult to assess because I don't know how much of what I saw was Dorsey or Brady as OCs, how much was the definite drop in WR talent with Brown, Sanders and Beasley gone and inadequately replaced by Davis, McKenzie, and an injured Crowder. Your point about Mahomes is also valid, but I'd say the same thing that I believe Mahomes has gotten better at reads and at taking what the defense offers since 2018 as well, and that completion % and yards don't tell the whole story.

1) discussion of the Bills W-L record with Allen, before and after Stefon Diggs, as though that proves Allen "needs" Diggs or Diggs "made" Allen what he is. Look, folks, he was a raw rookie and then an improved 2nd year player, then he would have become a more improved player in 2020 whether Beane traded for Diggs or another WR or drafted Jefferson or someone else. It was a big story in 2020 how Allen changed up his throwing motion and it helped him become more accurate. 2) discussion of how "Allen doesn't work in the off season" with the implication that Diggs is just out there grinding. Meanwhile Diggs is going to fashion week in Paris, Coachella during Bills OTAs (while Allen is actually with the team in OTAs) 3) the latest is people dumping on Allen for Tim Graham's podcast revelation about the "it's only one ***** game" without the context of it being after the game, while Allen is sitting there taking the loss hard, still in his pads, and the rest of the team is coming over trying to lift him up, and whatever Diggs said wasn't reported (but Allen wasn't snapping at anyone else). Probably more, but I'm actively trying to avoid it

I think you both don't see this. Knox has a cap hit this season of $7.728M, created by taking a salary cut and converting some of his salary to bonus, in exchange for a fully guaranteed salary this year, some guaranteed salary next year, and incentives. If he's traded before the draft and the trade partner picks up 100% of this year's guaranteed salary, his dead cap hit is something like $17.54M (the $24.45M Spotrac shows minus his salary guarantees) The Bills currently have an estimated cap space of $4.2M, so they'd have to free up like $13.3M of cap space to make this happen I can't see that happening, myself.

Having read said note, I think by "he" you mean "his PR team"

I posted in Dibs thread three of the ones I'll remember

Josh to Diggs: "Get Open, and Catch the Ball" Happened before: Also More Diggs thoughts: "I am at Coachella 2023 wondering why my QB and teammates aren't working their tails off....Oh, that's right, it's 2023 OTAs and they're there, including Allen"

Simmer down, Shorty. Please explain why you think we should all take the generic "Cover1" account as insider gospel on the Bills? I don't want to diss of the work those guys do breaking down film and talking Bills, but they don't even get inside the locker room.

It's an interesting idea. I think no more than 6 captains would be good.

JMO I know we have had them before, but 8 captains IMHO are too many Jones??

Well...let's start with Austin Proehl. He didn't play for "a few years". He was drafted with our 7th round pick in 2018 and waived at roster cutdown. He went on to bounce around the league a little bit on practice squads for the Titans (1 day), to the XFL, to the Rams (most of 2018), and in 2021 the Chargers (2 months) and Bills (something like 2 - 2 week stints). Those are the "few years" he played for the Bills - Training camp 2018 with 89 other of Beane's closest personal friends, and then 3 years later a couple 2 week stints on PS. Does he know Beane in the sense that he's met him and spoken to him, maybe a bit more than the usual cup-of-coffee UDFA guys who get cut at the end of training camp because he's Ricky Proehl's son? Yes. Is he someone the routinely and widely acknowledged to be close-mouthed Beane is going to ring up and chat with? IMO, No Do I believe the Bills might have asked Diggs to restructure and he refused? Yes. Yes, I do. Do I believe Diggs would have a contract discussion with Beane without his agent involved? No. No, I don't. Contract discussions take place with agents, or with agents and players. Do I believe Adisa Bakari would shove an entire package of socks in Digg's mouth before he let him say "Josh wouldn't be anything without me" to Beane? Yes, Yes I do. Do I believe Beane issued some kind of "restructure or we trade you" ultimatum to a guy who strongly implied he wanted out anyway? That would be dumb. Diggs would be "Don't threaten me with a Good Time"

With all respect, that's not enough. 4 guys getting 900 yds is 3,600 yds. That would represent a 700 yd dip in what was already a second "down year" for Allen with only 4300 yds passing. It would also be asking a 7 year vet to exceed his previous career year (possible), asking Shakir AND Kincaid to jump 50% in their production, AND asking a 3rd guy to step into the mix and push 1000 yds.