Beck Water

Yes, there are occasions where the fans have been more right. But what about the occasions where the fans couldn't have been more wrong? This place melted down when we drafted Josh Allen, "when Josh Rosen was RIGHT THERE!". I myself was a "Wrong Josh" but I ate my serving of humble pie and I'm a better person today.

Sounds a little like Josh Allen talking about his 4.76 - 40 time. He said something about "I run faster when there are guys trying to catch up and hit me"

Speak for yourself, Bean-o Boy. I call it the "Underwear Olympics" and I have my receipts.

One thing I notice watching him is that he seems faster than he looks. I mean, he kind of looks like he's lumbering along, and then you notice that the guys chasing him are eating dust That was kind of Josh Allen's thing his first years in the league, players would take an angle on him based on his perceived speed and ..Oops!

Pro Tip: don't pay attention to Zierlein's round or NFL outcome predictions. They are all over the place. Do pay attention to his strengths and weakness listings. They are what I nod when I come back to. Example: Matt Milano was assessed as an "average backup or special teamer" with an overall 5.9 grade. But his strengths listing had this to say: "Wonderfully aggressive. Heat-seeking missile who looks for contact. Form tackler looking to strike, lift, and bury. Former safety with disciplined vision and above-average instincts. Can get home as blitzer. Reacts quickly to play-action screen passes and reverses. Good straight-line speed and revved motor for extended tackle range. Has some coverage ability in space. Durable two-year starter playing more than 94 percent of his team's defensive snaps. Accelerates through contact. Speed and toughness creates potential opportunities at multiple linebacker spots." [That's my little Guido Torpedo] So Zierlein analysis of Coleman's strengths: "Above-the-rim artist with circus catches resembling a scene from the tents of Cirque du Soleil. Coleman has excellent size and ball skills. He’s not sudden and doesn’t have great speed, so beating press and creating breathing room against tight man coverages will depend on his ability to improve as a route-runner. The former star basketball player has a rebounder’s blend of extension and timing to give jump-ball defenders the blues. He’s big and strong with soft hands" I've been complaining that our WR get shoved off their routes by physical coverage, that we seldom see the 'circus catch' from them, that our guys give us 'focus drops' at key situations. Sounds as though Beane set out to change that, and feels as though for a basketball player, the release moves can be coached up. The interesting thing is that Beane feels he excels against press coverage. Hmmm.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/keon-coleman/3200434f-4c29-5571-54fa-77236 Stuff I'm not loving here -Press coverage can blanket his release and catch a ride. -Below-average acceleration getting out of breaks and cuts. -Could struggle finding separation to avoid excessive contested catches. Stuff that sounds good: -Prototypical size and high-end ball skills. -Attacks underneath throws with extended, sticky hands. -Works aggressively back on short and intermediate throws. -Unlikely to see focus drops when watching his tape. -Meets jump balls with full extension to the high-point. -Uses size to gain advantage over the cornerback on jump-ball wins. -Hard to bring down after the catch and as a punt returner.

Well, judging by the negative reactions here this ought to work out as well for us as Josh Allen did

We got to level up his taste in wings

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/keon-coleman/3200434f-4c29-5571-54fa-77236b775ae1 Tell me this isn't Kelvin Benjamin Part Deux?

Make like you're in Paris, @Ralonzo, No Tipping, No Tipping!

Maybe it's Beane on the phone with a GM

It's found on twitter, usually. Or do I mean "X marks the spot?"

Yes

Same!

When do they actually, you know, start picking?

Screen name checks out

I believe that $65M dead cap hit in 2025 includes his $27.5M fully-guaranteed salary. Sooo in theory, they could trade him next year, and "only" have $37.5M dead hit....a mere pittance more than the $31.1M dead cap the Bills swallowed on Diggs.

Wonder if he still drives an old beater minivan and lives in his mother-in-law's basement during the off season? https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/29/nfl-star-kirk-cousins-spends-summers-in-his-parents-basement.html

God, that would be awful for the players. At some point, will the NFLPA "cowboy up" and actually represent their interests?

I think here, Greg Tompsett who is normally reliable about cap issues etc, is skirting what's happened. There have been several instances where a contract re-negotiation that helped the receiving trade partner's cap took place simultaneously with the trade. I think the "devil in the details" is that it's formally negotiated by the trading partner and signed off by the player/his rep prior to executing the trade, but 100% it's done on behalf of the receiving partner. One minor example would be Case Keenum, who agreed to a salary reduction as part of the trade deal that brought him to Buffalo.

I think once the Bills are serious about negotiations, they make it a condition that nothing is to be leaked until the deal is done. But I agree (and Beane has said) that a lot of times when the Bills interest is reported, it's as simple as a due diligence phone call.

You renegotiate a contract extension as part of the trade and set this year's cap hit to be lower than the cap space you have. In theory, it COULD be done; given what Deebo would probably want before locking himself up in an extension, they'd probably have to renegotiate 1 or more other contracts. I just don't see why the Bills, having just assumed a $31M dead cap hit for bailing on one WR they negotiated an expensive extension with at age 28 1/2, would be anxious to repeat that with another 28 1/2 yr old WR (and one who has struggled with availability, as well)

Diggs was more of a "why?" than a "can't". Like why lose the services of a WR who is still good AND take on an additional $3M of cap hit?" The Bills answered that with "We have our reasons, 2nd round next year Good Enough." Samuel, the Bills would have to negotiate an extension as part of the trade. Which, they could. But you'd think, having just signed a big contract extension with a 28 1/2 yr old WR who only stayed with the team 2 years and wound up costing us a $31M dead cap hit, the Bills would not be eager to sign another big contract extension with a 28 1/2 yr old WR. Here's the thing: some teams develop a pattern of trying to buy the greatness they need. You see it with Denver, who managed a Superbowl with the Ghost of Peyton Manning, and then acquired Russ Wilson hoping to ride him to another championship. You see it with the Vikes, who saddled up Favre for a ride to a conference championship, then tried Bradford after it looked as though Shurmur reclaimed him in Philly, then Cousins (with whom they never managed the conference game). Obviously it works sometimes, but overall for sustained success, "draft, develop, resign" seems like the better plan. And that's what Beane has preached. One could view acquiring John Brown and Beasley, then Diggs, then Emmanuel Sanders, as the same 'hired gun" philosophy applied to WR. So is he gonna practice what he's preached, or is he essentially going after the hired gun approach again? I'm past predicting what Beane will or won't do, myself. I don't want to see us trade for Samuel, But, Whatever. I tend to doubt it because any time we hear about the Bills interest in a trade, it never seems to happen. But whaddo I know?

My gut is that in general, when you hear about Bills interest in a trade, it's maybe at the level of a phone call "so, would the player possibly be available? oh, OK, Thanks"

Well, OK, we just disagree about what is the more "cautious" vs "higher risk" approach. Personally, I think Beane is a stone-cold killer when it comes to calculating odds and predicting which way the "frog will jump" in the draft. So to me it comes down to player personnel evaluation, which is actually not Beane's forte' as a GM. And either they're right about Worthy, or they're mistaken about Worthy. If they're wrong, how KC got him is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the boat crossing the North Atlantic. If they're right, then how KC got him doesn't matter, but that 3rd round pick might be handy.