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OK found the blame bit The ludicrous lack of contextual game awareness to celebrate instead of getting the ball to an official ASAP was bad, but it's happened with a player before and it will happen with a player again - what Dak Prescott did was worse IMHO https://sports.yahoo.com/opinion-dak-prescott-postgame-blunder-111923550.html But trying to throw a teammate under the bus by Claypool was awful Yeah, it's a good reminder that there are solid reasons why he's on his 4th team in 3 years and he's a long shot at redemption $8M talent and an $8 buck head

We know he hates soup and doesn't wear shoes, but doesn't he wear gloves?

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All gonna depend upon the age of the teen. It's sick and despicable in any event of course Agree, the Chiefs in discussion with his agents Chiefs. Or maybe Miami.....Oh. Wait.

Depending upon how you define productive...or for that matter "average" How do you define average? And productive?

Well, they've got to do some kind of feel-good story to help fans feel hopeful and be inspired to buy tickets. Khalil Shakir is the only WR on the team who caught passes from Allen last season, so who else they got? I will say his training with Moulds helped him go from a 50% catch rate to 86.7% catch rate (apparently makes him practice catching bare-handed) so...

in the video he's working side by side with Shakir so def. someone Moulds is training.

McGovern played more games at RG than C in college The C on most teams sets and adjusts the protections Not quite the same task in HS and even college

In the segments where he's training with Moulds, who is the other guy training with him? edit: think this is a pic of him

I agree we're not going to keep 3 centers, but recall that McGovern did a nice job at LG. Early days yet, but you have a higher degree of confidence that McGovern will be all that and a bag of chips at C than I do.

I vote for "Bubble Boy"

We don't disagree on the friction, my only point is that the text message parting really doesn't show it. I mean, by all accounts Josh had a strong friendship with Jon Feliciano, how did they part? How did Josh part with Gabe? Don't overinterpret small stuff is my messagel.

Please don't be a "Gullible Gus Genius". The original sale was the lot (4x). After the builder built a house, the price jumped to $3.6M. The price declined during the housing crash of the late 2000s/early 2010s and now looks to be on its way up, though I dunno if he'll get $5M for it. But it really has little to do with the general state of the economy and certainly doesn't show that a dollar's value is trash

You're in luck, listing says it has 10

I wonder if Kirk still spends the summer living in his MIL's basement and drives a beater minivan? If we lose to Tyrod Taylor, McDermott might come out and join you I was thinking it looks like the pool and the basketball court of someone who barely uses it 'cuz the mosquitoes are bad

No Way! Does that keep her occupied and out of your staff's hair?

Say What? Dispute with whom? and for what reason? That just sounds like something that should never be discussed. No idea, but I doubt the players keep mum about their vote I do have LEO friends but not in Buffalo/Erie County. PM me if you prefer. Daboll's wife and Daboll have ties to WNY, owned a big house here (needed for 6 kids), and were known to frequently entertain players there. Yes, Daboll had a good relationship with many players, but pretty sure Diggs just had a condo or something and wasn't known for having his teammates over. You don't have to be a BBQ King to have a good relationship. Note I'm not arguing that Diggs and Allen had a good relationship - by multiple accounts, they didn't. I'm just saying texting someone when traded isn't, by itself, evidence of a poor relationship.

When Peter and I agree on something, it's probably worth considering as a possibility If something is going on inside the building and behind the scenes, by definition we ordinary mortals don't get the flick As far as observed behavior though, I don't think a team-focused leader ghosts his teammates after a tough loss or screams at his QB on the sidelines. I think he's there, looking at the tablet and trying to help solve it. Then there's the Tim Graham story

You know as I typed my post that thought did just go through my mind. Is the busybody old lady still parasitizing the attention of your office staff, @BringBackFergy?

Only if Matt Parrino writes about you and @BringBackFergy is having a slow day at the office.

I thought the team voted on captains (or maybe the offensive players, defensive players, and ST ers?) I didn't think (on the Bills anyway) Captains were "named" I'm not doubting you have a source or what you say here, but I'm honestly intrigued as to what "stupid things like his makeup" means? Football players wear makeup? Also curious about the "bad interactions with law enforcement" thing.

Does he talk about what @NoHuddleKelly12 quipped were "The LIttle Sisters of the Poor" playing LB against the Chiefs in the playoffs? Beane is clearly aware of the need for pressure. That's why he drafted as he did in 2021, and then signed Von Miller in 2022. That was a "swing for the fences" that missed, when Miller was injured on Thanksgiving and then really couldn't play at an elite level in 2023. But a team also needs to get "hot" at the right time, as far as players turning it up (like Rashee Rice did for the Chiefs 2nd half) vs. disappearing (as Diggs seems to do come playoff time, and as Leonard Floyd did). And as far as players not being injured. Starting AJ Klein and an injured Tyrell Dodson at LB and an injured Rasul Douglas and Dane Jackson at CB is not a recipe for success.

I mean, you may be right that the Bills brass isn't as concerned as I am. After all, they had every confidence in Russell Bodine starting at C in front of rookie Josh Allen the year Eric Wood retired for medical reasons, and they weren't concerned about that (though they should have been, and after that season, Beane acknowledged they should have done more). But the thread asked our opinions here on OBD, not "what do we think the Bills brass will do". You asked for our opinions, I gave you mine. I don't care how brilliant a guy was coming out of high school. Justin Shorter was a top recruit at WR coming out of high school. By that metric, the other WR should just go home. But the NFL is a whole different level from even Alabama (or Georgia), and a guy like McGovern who committed to a D1 school as a Center but hasn't played it much since then, needs to Show Me before I think it's wise to bail on the only other option on the roster with actual game experience at C. Guys who have forgotten more ball than I'll ever know like @Buffalo716 have pointed out some of Van Pran Granger's need for technique development. I hope he develops fast, but let's not bet the season on it. The point isn't to have a "capable" OL, the point is to have a great OL, at least as good as last year and maybe better. And if David Edmunds were a better LG than Connor McGovern, he would have started there last season.

So here's the chicken-and-egg thing. Did Diggs play tail off because Brady changed his usage, or did Brady change his usage because Diggs play tailed off? Of interest to me is the Greg Cosell OBD segment after the Diggs trade. For those unfamiliar, Cosell is a Sr Producer at NFL Films and is highly regarded around the league for his film breakdowns. He's not a Bills employee or stooge and he doesn't always say things Bills fans will like to hear - for example, he is NOT big on Keon Coleman, thinks at best he was drafted for potential and traits. Anyway, Cosell didn't mince words. 1:40 in, he says he hopes fans are interested in the reality on tape, and that Stefon Diggs is "not a number 1 receiver in the league...the way we think about #1 receivers, the guys who really are." He says we're talking about a 30 year old declining player, who is not a #1 receiver. "That's essentially what the tape tells you that Stefon Diggs is...that's the reality of the tape". He says "I don't think he's a fully dimensional receiver at this point in his career...he's not a true vertical dimension..he's much more of a possession receiver.... he's still very very good at that". And he says he's going to a team where he's not going to be the #1 receiver. It's always possible that Diggs was dinged up in a way too minor to land him on the injury report, but significant enough to affect his level of play. Take it for what it's worth to you. There are a couple other guys who break down film who commented on the Bills playoff games - I think JT O'Sullivan? who critiqued Diggs play in several aspects.

I'd love to see that social media bit if you can figure out who posted it. Wild. A bit disagree on the "call or meet up" vs "text". That's a generational thing. My generation calls. My kid's generation, you text, always. As far as meeting up, at the time of the trade, they were probably on opposite sides of the country.