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It can if the ligament is completely torn, but if it's not completely torn rest will heal it. IIRC Carson Palmer had this injury and "rest" was the cure. Allen tried PRP injections and "keep playing" https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-quarterback-josh-allen-elbow-injury-surgery-offseason-mvp-patrick-mahomes-super-bowl https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-qb-josh-allen-won-t-need-elbow-surgery-on-track-for-full-recovery-by-2023- If you don't want to go back into it, then don't mis-reference and mis-represent what Allen actually said on that Bussin' with the Boys podcast.

https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/sports/shakir-leaves-practice-field-isabella-shines-at-bills-mandatory-minicamp-tuesday/article_2b62f326-2826-11ef-8c15-6b66e1afa2f0.html Who Dat Brasky calling "diminutive"? I mean he's not 6'4", but he's 6'0", same height as Diggs was. If Shakir is "diminutive", what do you call Andy Isabella or KJ Hamler? https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-minicamp-khalil-shakir-lengthy-injury-list-rv3

We're mostly just busting your balls saying "it's just you" What I meant by "why is this even a question?" is 1) Of course some arguments drag on ad nauseum 2) Think a minute about the question "why are people here, posting on this board?" -Some come here to share knowledge/info which feeds the "Silent Majority" who come here for information or football discussion. But left to that, it's not enough to sustain an active bulletin board, especially off-season. And it's frustrating sometimes: one can write a thoughtful and well-sourced little screed and it gets a bunch of views and maybe 4 responses, because there's nothing outrageous in it to spark disagreement and spur others to respond. -Some come here to vent their Buffalo Bills frustration. These come in 2 classes: like to try to discuss semi-knowledgeably and just like to vent, "old man shouts at cloud" 3) Think for a minute about the psychology of posting on a bulletin board. It's fundamentally a bit LAMP-y, "Performative Art" if you will. Some like to perform by sharing info or trying to discuss semi-knowledgeably and civilly. Some like to perform by debating endlessly and get that out of their system online, maybe as a change from a life of being "best behaved" at work and "letting go of the small stuff" at home.. But some like to perform by trying to "play off" others, either reasonably politely because that's who they are on and off bulletin boards, some with a nasty edge and rolling into personal insults easily especially whenever they're well-refuted. Partly that's because of the well-established psychology of online communities, where people get a chance to act in a way they probably wouldn't IRL with no or minimal consequence (at worst, the need to create a new account). We have people who bluster and sling insults around and collect what they believe to be cutting personal attacks (based on minimal evidence), who probably IRL pet kittens and are gentle to puppy dogs and even treat people decently, but from the safety of a keyboard and screen they feel empowered to "unleash their inner #######". Then there are people who are flat-out crazy, like they just can't help themselves. I was puzzled by this in my previous life here, until someone pointed out to me that ~2% of the population has serious psychopathologies, so I'm gonna meet that percentage here.

We should never have traded Lamonica

That's certainly what Snead said. Cosell said the "truth on tape" is that Diggs isn't a #1 receiver in the NFL at this point in his career. For a good defense, you need at least 2 WR who are clutch. I think the truth is that the Bills haven't had 2 receivers who were clutch for them since 2021, when Beasley was released. Kelce gets open 2 ways. One is that, like Beasley, he has great release moves and a PhD in football that allows him to study how defenses play zone and find the weak spot, then be on the same page with his QB in secondary route concepts ("scramble drills" with purpose). If there are other receivers to worry about, and Mahomes can extend the play, that's very hard to defend. The second is the same way Gronk did: he pushes TF off, he's reasonably subtle about it, and the refs never call it. When you got a 250 lb tank with a 200 lb Nickel trying to cover him, a bit of push goes a ways

Did you see this elongation from the start of the season? Because remember Josh had the torn UCL in his elbow in 2022, but he had a shoulder injury in 2023 - I don't remember if it was during the Giants Week 6 or NE Week 7, but he took a turn in the medical tent Week 8 vs Tampa after falling on it. As I recall it was the same injury he had in his non-throwing shoulder in 2020 vs LVR that made his passing not as sharp the next 4 games (and he was wearing a LB brace), then he was fine. Only in 2023 with it being in his throwing shoulder, he seemed to be aggravating it every couple games, he had a "stinger" against the Pats in Week 17. Frankly I thought that was one reason Brady leaned on the run and had a couple games where we barely passed (Dal and LAC). Didn't someone here (maybe it was @HappyDays) that Josh's shoulder was much worse than the Bills let on, it would heal with rest but it's hard to rest when you're a starting QB and your team needs to win every game.

My guess is he went beyond what Palmer could best teach him. Woaoa There! Don't mince words, tell us what you really think!

Injuries and attitude. Rookie year OK - near 1000 yds 2nd year good - >1000 yds despite missing games with a calf injury, but the Head Case started to show up with voicing frustration over targets publicly (while missing time injured) and lashing out at fans " "get a life and go to work" and "continue working y'all little jobs for the rest of y'all lives" 3rd year - broke bone in foot, went AMA in his rehab, showed up to camp severely hampered, played 2 games and was IR'd until Game 12. He had a 'tude as well. At this point Bills declined his option and shipped him to LA for a 2nd round pick. In 2017 LA, he found a run-centered offense powered by Todd Gurley and he found himself #3 on the depth chart beyind Kupp and Woods, and whether it was that he never got back to his original form from the foot injury or just lost the drive to excel, that was pretty much it. LA didn't get the ROI they'd hoped for that 2nd round pick, so they let him walk and he signed with KC 3 yr $48M, where he was #3 behind Kelce and Hill. KC got a couple of decent years out of him as their #3 but I don't think they got their $48M. I'm not sure I'd call him a bust - to me a bust is a guy who just can't play in the NFL, and Watkins could play in the NFL. But, he certainly didn't give the Bills the ROI for trading up in the 1st round to draft him. Let's to to the original on this, not the blog who quoted it https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2889029-what-sammy-watkins-believes Like I said, "injuries and attitude"

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That's what you get for lovin' me That's what you get for lovin' me - eee Everything you had is gone And you can see That's what you get for lovin' me I ain't the kind to hang around With any new love that I've found Movin' is my stock in trade, I'm movin' on I won't think of you when I'm gone

Discuss. Personally, I think he should preserve his body a bit and Share the Love

It has to be a relief to McDermott and the team that the only questions in Mandatory Minicamp are around who will earn playing time and how injury recoveries are progressing

I mean, that's a helluva spin. After Tua came into the game and led them to victory in 2017, Hurts remained on the team for a year in 2018, saw significant playing time, and led the Tide to a comeback victory for the SEC championship. Understandably after being benched and yo-yoing playing time, Hurts had finished his degree so he left to go somewhere he could play without question. It's a reasonable question who left whom, and Hurts did have a damned good year with Oklahoma. But did you know he can squat 600 lbs and bench press 500?

Yeah, spell checking should be a Thing. But the "ridiculous" bit about maybe drawing a DPI, that was a Tom Brady special - taking a deep shot that really maybe didn't have a great chance to be caught, drawing the DPI, extending the drive to score and win.

I'm seeing a lot of inappropriate analogies in this thread (Hollins to OJ Howard is one). What you're saying about Kumerow, and what you're saying about Hollins, are really apples to oranges situations. Kumerow was an UDFA who kicked around the league on practice squads and played some WR for GB. When GB cut him, the Bills signed him to their PS for 2020. And yes, the Bills did use him as a "free elevation" that year for 3 games before signing him, then waiving him when Brown came off IR (and the Saints promptly signed him). But after he'd established himself as a ST stalwart in 2021 Bills training camp, he stayed on the team. No Practice Squad for Kume from then on. He missed games only when injured. Hollins was a 4th round draft pick for the Eagles. He's never been a practice squad guy, and established himself as a ST stalwart right off the bat, except for the year he was LVR's #2 WR where he mostly played offense. He's been a ST captain (or an offensive captain!) pretty much every where he's played, apparently. This is not a guy you yo-yo on and off the practice squad like an UDFA who has never established himself as a guy who can play on ST or offense. It's just a different situation than 2020 Kumerow. And yeah, about those 600 yds "like Claypool", Claypool hasn't contributed 600+ yds since 2021; he contributed 300+ to Pitt before they got fed up in 2022 and shipped him to Chicago. In 2022, guess who contributed 57 receptions and 690 yds? Mack Hollins, that's who. So your question should be, is a guy like Hollins who has shown he can be productive as a WR more recently than Claypool, and can also play ST, worth keeping over a headcase who may or may not have changed state and who hasn't contributed as much as recently?

The extra CB thing is that Beane drafted Daequan Hardy specifically for his return chops. He's a nickel, and the Bills could use a backup nickel, but from reading his draft profile I would expect him to need some development to be able to play nickel at (don't hurt me, he's the back up for a reason) the level of Cam Lewis. So if they decide he's their punt returner or kickoff returner, they need to carry an extra CB (unless Hardy develops phenomenally, but I wouldn't bet on that) The extra RB thing - so last year we kept 3 + Gilliam, and with all the ST guys we moved on from I'm thinking Gilliam stays. Cook and Ray Davis seem like locks. But then? Ty Johnson returned some kickoffs last season, is that how we see him? How do they see Darrynton Evans? He returned kicks for Tennessee and played a lot of ST for Miami.

Keon Coleman is so slow, the Bills signed a Sloth to cover him in practice

It's just you. Seriously, why is this even a question?

So on the same theme of "to know what a GM will do, look at what he has done" theme: Beane has typically kept more at a position when it is uncertain, or when there are a larger number of promising players who might get sniped by other teams. DE comes to mind. One unheralded look-out is: how do the Bills feel about the TE position? They had 3 last season. Does that change, especially if Brady is interested in 2 TE sets? How do they feel about Zach Davidson (on IR last season) or Tre McKitty? I can't get excited about either based on their pedigree, but the Bills may be keeping them around for a reason. I don't view it as a lock that the Bills keep 6 WR. I think the more likely position to gain an extra body count is RB and CB though.

I think that's a pretty good take. One wild card is, depending on how well and how fast Coleman adapts, I could see MVS or (if he sheds the "poison" label and makes the team) Claypool getting more snaps early on. If they just play nuts, I could also see Shavers or Shorter outplaying Hollins, but there would have to be a high degree of confidence there. They had the ST chops coming into the league, though.

Hamler is a "never was" at this point: a former mid-2nd round pick who had a promising rookie year, then had his career thoroughly derailed by injuries. First, IR with a hammy late his rookie year. Then, a torn ACL Week 3 of his 2nd year. Then, another hammy in Dec of his 3rd year, a torn pec in the off-season, and finally pericarditis. The talent level is real, but so too is the injury history. It would be kind of foolish IMHO to count on Hamler for, well, anything. Ty Johnson had 8 returns for 161 yds last year. Career, 22 returns for 409 yards. As you note, he has Daequan Hardy to push him. So it's not quite true that the Bills have no kick returners on the roster, thus should take a flyer on a talented former 2nd round pick who's managed to be available 23 out of 51 professional games. Whether I would or wouldn't do isn't the real issue here. To know what a GM will do, look at what a GM has done. Beane has made roster spots for Andre Roberts, Jake Kumerow, and Trent Sherfield. Were there better WR Beane could have kept? Arguably, at least some of those years. Beane has been explicit: if you're the #5 or #6 receiver on the Bills, you better play ST.

A little bit? WRT the WR room, the Bills backed themselves into a WR corner so deeply their Buffalo Bison Butts are sticking through the wall. Now I'm not saying they haven't done the best they could, once they made the decision to trade Diggs and take on that mammoth cap hit. As far as Claypool, Claypool had 2 good years with a fairly deep WR of Diontae Johnson, Juju Smith Schuster, Claypool and of course HOF-ish QB Ben Roethlisberger throwing him the ball. It's pretty notable that the Steelers WR room has something in the water, because the Cray-Cray seems strong there (AB, Tik-Tok Boi, Claypool). But as far as Claypool goes, the point is: he was a decent #2 with a good QB AND a #1 guy ahead of him. Curtis Samuel's best year, with Bridgewater as the QB and a couple other good WR on the roster, wasn't that far behind: 77 receptions for 851 yds vs Claypool's 62 receptions for 873 yds/59 receptions for 860 yds. Different yards of course, Claypool being a deep guy but the point stands, I don't give Claypool props as "the most talented WR on the roster". But since then, he's gotten thrown from the Steelers to the Bears to Miami. What's notable about his time in Miami, is that he was given very little playing time on offense - a total of 51 snaps in 9 games. Meanwhile, he was sent out to grind on ST, playing 102 of the ST snaps. I agree that what a guy does, tends to become a habit. A guy can think he's coasting or taking plays off because the QB sucks and the team isn't going anywhere, but then you put him with a QB where he has a chance to make a difference and the habit remains. Consider Zay Jones, 2017 draft pick whose story (told by his father on social media) was he didn't have a decent QB throwing to him in Buffalo. So Buffalo shipped him off to the Raiders where....he did nothing for 2 years before finally getting the flick, in year 5, and becoming an adequate receiver for LVR then a decent one for JAX. So the question is: in year 5, after a season where he joined a winning team with a top passing offense but was relegated primarily to Special Teams, has Claypool gotten the message that his talent means nothing if he doesn't come prepared to work and keep his head in the game, and that the problem isn't the team (11-6, playoffs) or the QB (Tua led the league in passing); the problem is who he sees when he looks in the mirror. And, if he's gotten that message, can he act on it? I'm not counting on it either.

Got to put in a plug here for a free app called "Merlin" developed by Cornell https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/ I have it on iphone, assume it's developed for other platforms. You give it access to your microphone, and it will try to determine what birds are currently singing. If it ID's multiple, it will highlight the ones currently singing. You can play the recording back to help learn the songs. Warning its addictive

OK found the blame bit The ludicrous lack of contextual game awareness to celebrate instead of getting the ball to an official ASAP was bad, but it's happened with a player before and it will happen with a player again - what Dak Prescott did was worse IMHO https://sports.yahoo.com/opinion-dak-prescott-postgame-blunder-111923550.html But trying to throw a teammate under the bus by Claypool was awful Yeah, it's a good reminder that there are solid reasons why he's on his 4th team in 3 years and he's a long shot at redemption $8M talent and an $8 buck head

We know he hates soup and doesn't wear shoes, but doesn't he wear gloves?