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The second clip does not appear to me to show his feet at the point where he secures the ball after double-clutching it.

Wow. Bet Goff has that clip on his phone. Lions play the Giants in preseason Week 1, in the normal course of preseason neither starting QB would be likely to play. Yeah, Stroud over Mahomes or Josh at this point is nuts. Don't get me wrong, I think Stroud looks very promising, but at this point he's had one promising season and one playoff win, then a pretty decisive loss. I think Daboll has "Pygmalion Syndrome" where he thinks he made Josh Allen and he can make Daniel Jones, too. Maybe the random exec was Schoen or someone in his office?

There was a thing where Erik Turner of Cover1 gave his wife a glass that said "Drink until your husband looks like Josh Allen" and apparently she crossed it out and wrote "Matt Milano" LOL I don't think the Guido Torpedo goes lonely

In hindsight, of course it appears significant, but Timmah Graham didn't make it public until when? Last April? After the Diggs trade took place? A case could be made that Graham himself didn't think it was that significant (whether that's good, or bad), or why didn't he report it at the time? My point was, I don't think any of us fans were going "Oh, OK, Diggs-Allen relationship broken, time for a trade!" during weeks 1-6 of 2023 season based on what we saw/heard reported on the field or off.

1) these are different plays 2) all of our players have had good and bad plays - Douglas, Benford, Elam, Rapp, Hamlin, Bernard and yes, Milano It's impossible to get a full picture of how a player is doing from media training camp reports which are typically high-lights and low-lights Brasky has been kind of beating the "Milano Watch" drum I think as his personal way of drawing clicks and views I go with this Milano watch:

I understand that expectation, but actually, that's where I was last year after we lost Edmunds in the off-season and didn't have Von Miller. I was expecting a mid-pack defense and hoping it was good enough, and it exceeded my expectations Regarding Milano, it's the start of training camp and he's out there showing flashes. I'll see where he is at the end of training camp before being concerned.

Would be curious how this changes if the bar is moved to what the NFL considers a "long pass" (20+ yards from the LOS)

Well....a couple weeks ago I caught a sizeable sea bass, and the fillets were most excellent and tasty when brushed with lemon juice, coated with breadcrumbs, and fried.

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I tend to think of Mack Hollins as this year's Jake Kumerow or Trent Sherfield - the #5 or #6 WR who is primarily there for ST but can hopefully play well enough to give the starter a breather or fill in for injury. In terms of receiving chops, though, I don't ever remember Kumerow or Sherfield "going off" with the 1s like this. Maybe I just don't remember

So what's up with all the route jumping? Are our DBs just really familiar with our playbook or are we too predictable in what we're running? One thing it seems to me from the clips and reports we see, is more receivers willing to climb the latter or dive or reach for balls.

At this point, no, don't think so. I mean we're seeing AJE with the 2's and etc so But I do think there is some issue, either MVS isn't getting into the playbook like he needs to or is taking his position a bit for granted - I mean, Keon wasn't here when they were putting in some parts of the offense back at the start of OTAs, right, OTAs before draft? I'm with you, when a guy has nothing but bad luck on injuries but keeps fighting you really want to see things turn for him.

LOL there was an exchange on "4th and Forever" with Mark Sanchez and Josh where Josh talked about how his feet run cold, and in cold weather when his center steps on his foot it "doesn't feel too good". Sanchez immediately asked "who's fault was it?" and Josh was like "um" Sanchez said "it has to be your fault, right?" Josh goes "yeah, it was my fault. Mitch Morse. Love ya Mitch!" It doesn't come across typing it out, but watching it was like "QB Code" where they both knew "it has to be said to be the QB's fault even if it wasn't"

I saw that. The thing is, Josh will always claim responsibility where he can and say "I have to play better" "I have to find a way to get him the ball" He's never gonna say "receiver made a mistake and ran the wrong route" or "he's got to get open" Some of the shotgun snaps that were bad, were reportedly dribblers along the turf that Josh had to scoop up. There is no way that's on Josh.

Eh. This season's Christian Kirksey

If you say so, I guess. "Last October, I didn't hear anyone talking about how drafting Terrel Bernard was a bad move" "Oh yeah? Here's my receipt from Draft Day 2022 showing I thought so" "But...." "Take the L" This isn't rocket science. Yes, everyone including you thought Diggs relationship with Allen and with the Bills was broken around the time of his non-appearance at Day 1 Mandatory Minicamp (June 13, the date of the quote you provided) Then, after Diggs was a Good Boy in training camp, talked to the media, and came into the season hot for the first 6 weeks, I didn't hear anyone still expressing that opinion. Including you, though I would change that view based on evidence *from that time*. If you want me to give you a "W" for claiming you were silently chanting "Diggs is trying to force his way off the team and the Diggs-Allen relationship is irredeemably broken" through the first 6 weeks of the 2023 season, As You Wish

Looks like $1.6M - his signing bonus plus $600k of his salary or something. But keep in mind Bernard pulled a hammy and wasn't available much of training camp but then made it through the season and into the playoffs. So I don't think you can project from training camp/preseason, when teams try to make sure players hit starting day healthy.

Meaning no offense, but the ask was specifically the first 6 weeks of the 2023 season, not the day of the minicamp broo-ha-ha when we all had fresh evidence something was up with Diggs and a lot of people felt some way about it. But after that, Diggs showed up at training camp, talked to the media, and generally behaved himself, then played football at a high level for 6 weeks, and again - not to pick on you specifically, but I heard a whole lot of "nothin" about Diggs trying to force his way off the team, pumping up other team's QB, calling Allen out etc. So if you have receipts of stating this opinion at that time frame of the first 3rd of the season, I will be happy to eat my crow.

This really resonated with me. At one point in my professional career, I was hired into a position of leadership over, among others, a man literally old enough to be my father and one of the more idiosyncratic "march to your own drummer" people I've ever met. When there were new policies, just like your buds, they would argue. We worked it out eventually, but it was a tricky balance between building a friendly relationship, commanding respect, and laying it down policies had to be followed. I'm one who thinks that Diggs and Allen were never true "best friends"; I think they have very different interests and that was to a degree, a media storyline. But they did, for real, have 2.75 highly successful years together. When Diggs joined the team, Allen was a 3rd year player who hadn't broken 59% completions and who averaged less than 200 passing YPG. Diggs was a 6th year player who had 2 consecutive >1000 yd seasons and had played in a conference championship. Dawkins wrote about Diggs how he went to watch him work out with the attitude "Alright, new guy. What you got." and came away saying "Legit had no idea people could be this good at football." So yeah, in 2020 and 2021 Allen was working with 3 WR who had more experience and accomplishments in the league than he, and it was probably not a bad thing for him to listen to them more than he tried to correct them. But you're right, in the end, sometimes they needed to be told "hey, you rounded that route, if you made a sharp cut you'd be open" "you need to run that route like you mean it, not take the play off" etc. and since Allen started out playing the "little brother" role, it was likely hard to make that transition to saying "you - listen up! you want success, this is what I need from you."

Day summary from Cover1, apologies if I missed it above https://www.cover1.net/greg-rousseau-and-terrel-bernard-stand-out-in-physical-day-5-practice/ He speaks what several here have commented: He's absolutely right, for me. McGovern does not have to really worry about getting his block knocked off by opposing DLmen at this point, until today no pads even - this doesn't seem like a "my fault" issue as Allen will say, his snaps are off-target or dribblers Allen has to scoop up. I started out nervous about this change and I'm not getting less nervous.

ALLinALLEN, with respect, "3 years removed from an AP season" doesn't mean very much, especially when it also means a football player is 3 years removed from his 30th birthday. I thought I heard some good stuff from Claypool, though he's been running a lot with the 2's. We're not hearing stuff yesterday and today 'cuz he went out. Toe. MVS was thought likely enough that he was given $2.25M (or something like that) fully guaranteed.

That's possible, although I don't think we have enough information to deduce the "why?" Should there have been a safety over the top helping, for example?

Fair. Though on the draft pick point scale I found, a top-10 Rd 2 pick is 480 to 580 points, Pick 189 is 16.8 points, and a 5th round selection of similar draft position is 29.6. So if the Bills manage to be similarly good this season, it's kind of like getting 10 cents back on the dollar; not nothing, but not much of a throw-in either.

So the bulldozer was supposed to contain the cowdozer? Good Luck with that

It was very apparent to you, during the first 6 weeks of last season? You got receipts on that? Because I sure don't remember anyone here standing up and opining *at that point in time*. I don't think anyone would argue that.