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    [Name Only Title] Kareem Hunt ??????????????????

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    3 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

    He’s still only 24 years old and a relatively high pick for a RB. With all the success the Browns have had running it maybe one of the coaches thinks they can resurrect his career? God knows Buffalo’s run blocking leaves a lot to be desired. He could actually be a good fit there as he’s not the kind of player that can create on his own. Sometimes all a player needs is a change of scenery. We’ve seen RBs turn it around numerous times going to new teams. Look at Ahman Green, another 3rd round pick. Averaged like 200 yards rushing his first 2 seasons, gets traded to Cleveland for a 5th, and becomes one of the most dominant players of his era. I don’t think the book is closed on Zack Moss. I just don’t think he’s a good fit for this system. I think he absolutely adds value based on his age and where he was picked. 

     

    That's a fair point, but when you're trading a player who hasn't lived up to his draft position, I think you usually get back a late round draft pick or another player who hasn't lived up to his draft position.

     

    Cody Ford for a 5th rounder would be one example

    Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes would be another

     

    Kareem Hunt's role has declined in Cleveland, but he came close to 5 y/a last year, and he certainly lived up to his draft position.

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    NFL Week 7 - Around the NFL - Gameday thread (Bills have bye)

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    18 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

    By the 5th one they did kind of have to talk about it a bit.

     

    OK, but did they actually talk about it from the point of view of Tua making risky or off target throws, or was it all about he Pitt DBs dropping them?  'Cuz I heard the latter and not the former but I will admit that I'm not the most careful listener when Collinsworth is talking

     

    2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

    LMAO! Wallace had a rough night catching the ball...then hurt himself after hitting the ground hard on the last one...

    "Almost Intercepted" is heard repeatedly in that clip...

     

    Right, but see above.

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    Any Realistic Guard Available at Trade Deadline?

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    4 hours ago, without a drought said:

    I believe he has to start his 21 day practice window this week or be moved to the season ending injured reserve list.

     

    People keep saying this, but as far as I know it's not true, either for IR or for PUP (what Ike is on)

     

    1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

    And honestly that is why I think the NFL trade deadline is in the right place. I hate the idea that you end up with multiple teams at the 3-7 type mark having a fire sale every year if you moved it back a couple of weeks. It seems to increasingly be the view of some fans that you either have a top 5 or 6 QB or what's the point, burn it all down and just get as many picks as you can but to me if that ever became a reality it would be to the detriment of the league. 

     

    Seems to me there's a lot of space between move the deadline from week 8 to 10, vs multiple teams having a fire sale.  I'm sure you're correct about the viewpoint of some fans - Buddy Nix got a lot of things wrong, but one thing he got right was "if you listen to the fans, pretty soon you'll be sitting with them".  Having it be a fan viewpoint, doesn't mean it's an FO viewpoint.

    NFL Week 7 - Around the NFL - Gameday thread (Bills have bye)

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    2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

     

    Yep...

     

     

     

    First of all, that's pretty well inexcusable for the Pitts DBs.  No one expects a DB to have WR hands (or he'd play WR) but 0 for 5 is super-dilute Weak Sauce.

     

    Cost Pitt the game.

     

    Second, drove me NUTS that I didn't hear one single solitary simple little drop of criticism for this from Collinsworth & crony.

     

    Not.  A. Drop.  WTF is up with that?  Also inexcusable IMO.

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    Any Realistic Guard Available at Trade Deadline?

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    3 hours ago, Seoulofstone said:


    Im sure the Saints would agree with that. But even in a bad division what happens if they lose the next 2 weeks? They aren’t coming back from. 2-7 .

     

    Unfortunately for them they are 54 mill over the cap next year. As had been said it’s pie in the sky to assume any team will give up a good guard mid season. Being in this bind gives a trading team the best chance. 
     

    predictively though I doubt the Bills are looking to change their OL mid season.

     

    You have a fair point, but the trading deadline is a week and a day away, next Tuesday.   So they could be 3-5 and possibly tied in wins with the Bucs and Falcons.  I'm sure they feel that Andy Dalton killed them with his 3 picks and that life will be better with Jameis.

     

    I think Beane said something last year in his end of season presser that he thought if the trading deadline had been a little later, some teams might have felt they were out of it and been willing to do business, but where it is, those teams still have hopes (even slim hopes).  If they were in the NFC E or NFC N with 6 win and 5 win teams ahead of them, or if there were a team with a winning record leading their division sure, but 2-5 and 1 game back -- I'm sure they're like "lot of football to play, let's go!"

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    NFL Week 7 - Around the NFL - Gameday thread (Bills have bye)

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    28 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

    Thought he sucked, and was lucky even 2 or 3 of the 5 ‘almost INTs’ weren’t caught. 

    I was just messing with you man. 
    Yes, Tua sucked. And the Dolphins did not win because Tua was under center. They won because Kenny Pickett was under center.  For all intents and purposes, they Dolphins easily could’ve lost that game.. because Tua was under center. 

     

    They won because the Pittsburgh DBs have no hands.

    Any Realistic Guard Available at Trade Deadline?

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    5 hours ago, Seoulofstone said:

    Risner would be a UDFA at the end of the season. If you want one at the deadline it’s Eric McCoy of NO. Reason being he spent a lot of time at both guard and center in the NFL and could replace Morse. Cap number is $3.2 mill this year. Saints are in deep doo doo against cap and now they aren’t even close to contending they may finally take their medicine.

     

    I don’t think the Saints are gonna acknowledge they “aren’t even close to contending”.

    Yeah, they’re 2-5, but they’re 1 game behind the leader/runner up in their division, who are both 3-4.

     

    They’re apparently close to getting Jameis Winston and a bunch of other players back.  I think their viewpoint would be “a lot of football left to be played so we will keep our players thankyouverymuch”

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    Any Realistic Guard Available at Trade Deadline?

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    11 hours ago, artmalibu said:

    Anyone have a clue when Ike will be ready?

     

    An Achilles is a 9 - 12 month RTP.  Boettger went on IR Dec 27.  

    Beane said he expected him to play “a good amount of football” but also that he’d “suffered a setback” at the start of the season.  

     

    Basically we could see them starting a 3 week window for Boettger to come of PUP at any time (9 months being past) but I’m guessing he needs more than 9 months if that’s a minimum and he suffered a setback.  Maybe he starts to practice in a couple weeks, at the end of October?

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