Beck Water
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5 hours ago, HansLanda said:
Allen doesn't really lift with his upper body. Kinda crazy, but I get it. He does get leg day in though.
I don't think he told the whole story about how he trains upper body. I don't think you have the arm strength to grab an NFL LB by the face mask and take them down one handed or pull a LB out of bounds with you, if you aren't doing some form of upper body strength training.
I know we got some guys on here who are fitness trainers - some kind of functional strength or plyometric training? Low weight, high rep free weights?
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10 minutes ago, NickelCity said:
Starting Hart to protect Bates as a backup is criminal for both parts for that sentence.
It's not going to happen. Bates has been written in as the starting RG.
If the Bills aren't happy with Van Roten as backup C (and frankly, I don't think I am) hopefully they'll shop the cutout bin.
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53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Mancz is a shocker to me
50 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:Agreed. I asked about this couple posts earlier. Doesn't make sense based on everything we heard during camp. Backup center, looked like lock, injury was supposed to be minor. Really curious what is going on.
46 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:They like themselves some Bobby Hart for some reason.
Bobby Hart was not competing against Mancz for a spot. That would be Van Roten. Hart's calling card is now positional flexibility as a backup.
Joe Buscaglia wrote about Mancz and predicted Van Roten would stay over Mancz. I pretty much thought he was nuts. Neither Mancz nor Van Roten played in the last preseason game. Buscaglia said "he just couldn't stay healthy"
Of course we don't get injury reports during pre-season, but Mancz did leave practice on a cart Aug 23 and I thought he was perhaps still injured. the "knock" on him the last several seasons has been talented C/G, injury-plagued. He played 5 games for the Dolphins last season before going on IR. 2019, lost 2 games to ankle injury and had arthroscopic surgery on his ankle in the off-season, lost hist starting job and only started 4 games for the Texans in 2020 (leaving injured).
It sounds as though he has a chronic ankle injury at this point, which perhaps the Bills thought could be managed enough for him to serve as a backup C. But if he might get injured quickly and not be available in that role, that's kinda useless.
I would kind of like the Bills to mind the waiver wire for a better alternative than Van Roten as backup C. Neither he nor Bates have a lot of actual NFL game experience as C.
10 minutes ago, vincec said:The backup outside WRs are Stevenson and Kumerow. I hope Diggs and Davis stay injury free.
I don't think the Bills see that as their depth chart at outside WR.
10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:Hopefully we can bring Jack Anderson back to be our #2 C.
That would be better.
Edit: here's what Joe B said:
QuoteMancz is the better reserve center, which initially gave him an advantage over Greg Van Roten for that final offensive line spot, but Mancz has not been able to stay healthy this summer. Van Roten did not play at all in the preseason finale despite being healthy, which is a great sign that he’s safe. If Ike Boettger progresses to the point that he’s ready to play this season, it could be a one-for-one roster spot swap with Van Roten down the line. Mancz should be on the practice squad radar.
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1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:
Rosen is getting closer everyday, to making good on his promise that 9 teams would regret his being drafted.
That being said, I have the perfect next stop for him. The Carolina Panthers MUST pick him up, so they can have Baker, Darnold and Rosen all on the team at the same time. Someone has to be signed, while Darnold recovers, please have it be Rosen.
Harsh.
But funny.
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14 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:
I really hope he has a Teller like career with another team. Team thought Kumerow was better.
The team did not think Kumerow was a better WR. They may have thought Kumerow was a better blocker. They know Kumerow is a better STer.
Overall the Bills thought the skill blend Kumerow has, is a better match for their needs at the present as a 6 WR
Just as the Bills thought the backup IOLmen they kept were a better match for their needs when they traded Teller and kept Spencer Long and Bates.
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If you want it from the Buffalo Bills web page:
https://www.buffalobills.com/news/roster-moves-bills-set-initial-53-man-roster
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OK, here we go
Per Buffalo Bills:
and earlier:
And that's down to 53, Folks!
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22 minutes ago, Airseven said:
Only drama left to figure out re: cuts is who exactly gets PUP’d.
Um no?
Only players who are unable to perform before they play a snap at training camp go on PUP
Tre White is the only one eligible for PUP
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8 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said:
How quickly can teams start making waver claims?
4 pm I believe. But I believe they have 24 hrs to do so, and the priority goes to the team with the worst record last season, not the team who rushes their claim in first.
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16 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
I guess I don't see the purpose of this. Wouldn't an injury settlement cover it and just keep Jones or is he not eligible for it?
Would think they would want to keep Jones on ST for those first 6 games.
I possibly wasn't clear.
Jones would be re-signed on Weds, after the Bills are able to put Stevenson on IR - that's assuming they haven't given up on "Speedy" and still want to keep the possibility of using him this season alive.
I'm not sure where the refererence to 6 games comes into it?
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Just now, The Wiz said:
Stevenson is still on the team? I'm assuming he's IR or PUP?
My guess is that they'll IR him after the 53 man roster is set, so that he's eligible to return.
Probably cut Taiwan Jones, carry Stevenson on the 53-man, then IR Stevenson and re-sign Jones.
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17 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:
doesn’t work like that. If you’re a premier special team player your ability on offense (or defense) is just a bonus. Jones is, without a doubt, a premier special team player. Case closed.
Hodgins, for example, was trying to make the team as the
4th or 5th6th wideout. His value is primarily offense. But you have to contribute to ST to make it as a skill position player that far down the depth chart.FIFY. Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, Shakir ahead of him. Can argue about whether the order is Shakir, Crowder or Crowder, Shakier, either way Hodgins was competing with Kumerow for #6. And McKenzie/Shakir have important ST roles as returners.
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1 hour ago, Captain Caveman said:
1. What does him being hispanic have to do with it?
In the context of my post....which was shaking my damned head at a National Newspaper OP ed.....the writer of the OP ed compared the "moral suckitude" of a BYU AD and coach literally hearing racist taunts at an opposing player - first hand knowledge of racist behavior right in their ears with no immediate action - and the Buffalo Bills response to hearing second -hand allegations of criminal conduct from the alleged victim's lawyer, which was not to immediately cut the punter.
Rolled into that poor analogy is an additional irony. It's claimed that minorities and immigrants are treated differently by the criminal justice system, employers, and authorities in general. They are more likely to be arrested/charged with small offenses; they are more likely to have their employment terminated vs. being given discipline or a warning. (I believe statistics bear this out; the reasons can be argued).
Araiza, in fact, qualifies as a minority...his father is an immigrant from Mexico, he is Hispanic if he chooses to identify as such.
So here is an Op-Ed writer waiving a pitchfork at the Bills because, in response to second-hand allegations of criminal conduct, they held back from a summary dismissal that is legitimately complained about as a social inequity experienced by minorities.
Sorry for the long winded answer. Hope it makes sense.
1 hour ago, Captain Caveman said:2. The issue is they didn't investigate as best they could.
No one is saying they should have immediately cut him, but they had most of the details, and could have easily followed up to get more, but hoped that it wasn't true or would go away.
There were stories published in the LA Times as early as June with many details of the assault, all they had to do was a quick google search for San Diego State Rape and it would have been on the top page. So either they did no investigation, or they did, they knew many of the details, and still hoped it might stay quiet. They should have performed an actual thorough investigation, and at that time should have had enough details to part ways with him - it shouldn't have needed to go public for that to happen.
With respect, I'm not sure that 2. is true. The articles detail the allegations. The Bills may have verified any witness accounts Araiza and his attorney had which would disprove them. They may have sent investigators to learn what they could from police contacts and around campus. They would not have had access to evidence known to the police.
It's possible that they investigated as well as they could and decided that the allegations were more likely than not false, that criminal charges against Araiza were unlikely minor and defensible (misdemeanor statutory rape/mistake in age defense). We just don't know.
I do think that they believed the motivation behind the threat of the civil suit was desire for money, in which case they did expect the suit to stay quiet as the attorney and his client sought the best financial settlement.
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40 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
what IDIOT brings a High School girl to. Party with legal ages college students?
Three other High School Girls who learned about it on the SnapChats. They came in through the side yard, saw a lot of people drinking and chatting in the backyard, and strolled right on in, "Single and Ready to Mingle"
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28 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:
Matt Parino Twitter identified 55 people at practice .. includeds Andre Smith who will be suspended and matt barkley (who is still likely to be cut) and not Tre White - likely PUP
So they need to account for a few players still on the roster, not observed at practice
Think that's Tre ' White (could go on reserve/PUP), Greg Mancz (injury settlement? or in-season IR?), Eli Ankou (said to be negotiating injury settlement), and Marquez Stevenson (could get injury settlement or someone cut and resigned to put him on in-season IR.
Also unknown is whether Morris, Doyle, and McKenzie are injured badly enough to miss games. 9 days!
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6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:
Is there a summary page with all of the Bills cuts to date? NFL.com seems a bit behind and this thread is going wayward.
Was Hodgins cut?
So far the bubble guys cut I saw were Austin/ Howard and Duke Johnson
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/241557-bills-cuts/page/32/#comment-7848066
I've been trying to keep it up-to-date
I believe we are down to awaiting 1 cut plus 2 veteran "placeholder" cuts
It might be an injury settlement for Mancz
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9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Thanks, they have 16 of today's cuts. We have 19 confirmed and one injury settlement alleged
1 hour ago, Beck Water said:So we have so far from the Bills:
OL Jacob Capra
DE Daniel Joseph
DB Jordan Miller
OL Tanner Owen
WR Neil Pau’u
DB Josh Thomas
Then from reporters (who hear from agents or players) via your link:
TE OJ Howard
RB Duke Johnson
WR Tanner Gentry
OT Alec Anderson
OL Jacob Capra
OL Tanner Owen
DL Daniel Joseph
CB Jordan Miller
S Josh Thomas
That's 15, need 11 more:
RB Raheem Blackshear (Schefter)
DT Prince Emili (Talbot)
DT Brandin Bryant (Caplan)
WR Isaiah Hodgins (Buffalo Fanatics, Joe Miller -from player)
That's 19, need 7 more:
DL Eli Ankou said to be working on injury settlement with Bills
That's 20, need 6 more to reach 53
55 players were observed at practice, so I guess a couple of the players observed at practice won't remain.
Tre' White may very well go on the new, improved updated PUP list (4 weeks)
Andre' Smith will be suspended
Two veterans we intend to keep and who are on 1 year contracts, such as Taiwan Jones, may be cut to allow us to carry Marquez Stevenson and (maybe) Morris or Tommy Doyle on the 53 man then put them on in-season IR
So I think we need 2 more cuts. Barkley will likely be one (and sign to PS).
Who is "the final countdown"?
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31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
What, exactly, would be "damning" about it if true?
If it were true that Araiza tried to settle a pending civil suit pre-draft in March or April, it would show that he was aware there were pending allegations against him (criminal and civil)
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That he (per Beane) did not disclose them to the NFL or to teams
Araiza's lawyer has been presenting his client as transparent, truthful, up-front, and timely in his disclosures with the Bills.
It would contradict that
Note that I don't believe it to be true. I think Araiza knew there was an investigation last October, but hadn't heard anything (criminal or civil) in months, and (somewhat naively) figured that it had been completed with no charges or other fallout during the draft process.
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2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:
There’s 1000 places to see who has been cut if that’s all you need.
I'd settle for one definitive link
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Did we get Peterman and Webb being released?
Raanan seems to be implying someone might sign Webb to their roster?
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10 hours ago, StHustle said:
It’s just the way the OP worded it. Saying “Any Viking fans?” on a Bills board probably wasn’t the best way to title this. Had Beck simply put “Anyone know how Horrible Hairy is fairing in Minnesota?” or something to that effect…she would have gotten ZERO push backI assure you, if I'd titled this "anyone know how Horrible Hairy is fairing in Minnesota" the snark would have been just as prevalent. If not more.
4 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said:I read the Minneapolis Star Tribune every day because my daughter lives there now.
Harry has played well in the Vike's TC, although he missed some time with (another) leg injury. They like his veteran leadership, which is probably his greatest strength, as we all saw here. They're playing him at NT in a 3-4 scheme, which frankly seems like a poor fit to me, given his lack of bulk and injury history.
I wish him the best of luck but have the nagging sense he won't make it through the season without another leg injury.
Thanks - that's part of what I was wondering, if he'd managed to stay healthy through camp.
I agree he is undersized for a 3-4 NT although, Kyle Williams managed. And I believe it was his injury history that discouraged the Bills from offering him a contract.
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1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:
It also plagues him that he has no footspeed and no ability to separate.
Every catch is a contested catch and that just is not worth the roster spot if he can not contribute elsewhere.
Right. He has contested catches when going against the 2s and 3s. Which means he has PD/incompletions against the 1s.
He's improving. Last season he couldn't release off the line and wasn't physical enough. More physical and much better release this season.
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3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:
Has it been said Giles-Harris was cut? I've had them keeping him.
Wasn't seen at practice, but Spector was. So presumed cut, like Hodgins.
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Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.
in Off the Wall
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No. Araiza has not admitted this.
I disagree with that last statement "no obligation ....or otherwise". And according to the lawsuit, he was residing there.
According to her attorney. Allegedly.
Can we be better than those media shills who take allegations as fact?