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In 2022, when the Giants won enough games to go to the playoffs and won a game there, they looked like a well-coached football team. There was no quit in them. Everyone was "doing their job", and Daboll seemed to provide a "spark" on the sidelines. I said at the beginning of last season 2023 that the Giants just did NOT look like a well-coached football team to me. Their opening game, they came out and got their asses handed to them by Dallas. Losing to a good team, and being on the losing end of a 40-0 drubbing, are two different things. There's this phenomenon we see all the time in the NFL where an assistant coach/assistant GM will move to a new team and seem to do well for a year, then regress. There are probably multiple reasons, including opponents not being quite sure what to expect the first year then having enough film to "solve" them while the coach doesn't continue to evolve. But I think part of it is that all these guys have egos. The assistants looking up at the head guy think they can do a better job if they're running the show. But maybe once they're in charge, they start to realize maybe their former boss "knew something" and they don't know as much as they think they know.

Thanks! Hope you have a merry feast with family when you're done working! We've had a wonderful Thanksgiving so far. Kid and her boyfriend were here, brought 92 yr old Mom over and muscled her up our neighbor's ATV ramps into our house, no other family this year but had a couple neighbors and friends join us. Earlier in the week, was able to make up and distribute 10 "Thanksgiving Dinner Bags" at our neighborhood walk-up food mini pantries. Always feels good when I'm able to spare the means to do that.

Remember Daniel Jones was a failure as the "Temu Josh Allen". He can use his legs, but he can't operate from a muddy pocket or buy time to make the throw. He's OK if you give him a short quick passing game well supported by a strong run game, and he can get you the first down on occasion, but he's far from a "Josh Allen style QB"

That surprises me, but OK, I'm wrong.

It's pretty clear the Manziel family lived in a very nice home and drove nice cars (maybe in part from the dealership?) But the representation has been that Johnny Football came from big Oil Money, and that isn't true - they weren't making so much money that profiting off their son's college football career and NFL wasn't an interest.

This has been debunked. There is money in the Manziel family, but "records showed "the cash doesn't appear to reach Johnny Football's branch of the family." " His father worked as the GM of a Honda dealership, and one reason they pushed Manziel in college as they did was because they were making money off him.

It's not the paycheck, it's the lack of stability and the job expectations of practice squad members. Good teams like the Bills do focus on developing practice squad members and getting them ready for that "next man up" mentality, but a big part of their job is still to help the starters prepare by mimicing the next opponent (including safety, heh). I don't think a team is allowed to pay a PS member that much money.

I think a practice squad signing is below Jones "dignity level" at this point. Just my opinion.

Eeeeeeeeew, No. @boyst spoke about Travis Kelce as having "main character syndrome"; when I looked up "main character syndrome" in the dictionary, it literally had Aaron Rodgers photo over the entry. NOT a good wingman/supporting character which is what you want in your backup QB

But the practical exigencies of an NFL roster dictate there is normally room for 2 QB on the 53-man roster. A third QB means the team is running thin at another position. And the backup is always one hard hit or UNC buzz-down away from going into the game. I'm sure Daniel Jones would love to be in the building and on the sidelines with a playoff contender, but if he expects to be on the roster of a playoff contender, I think he's gotta be ready to play

the 49ers might be interested, depending upon what they think is going on with Purdy. I would say from what I saw tonight, Brandon Allen's grasp on the 49ers offense isn't linked to any actual ability to execute as an NFL QB.

My point stands - if you're going by what you see, you need to have notes of every Allen game in each season. Otherwise, Recency Bias is a known thing. You want to say "I spy with my little eye that Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league and it's not arguable" well, you're correct that your contention it's not arguable, because you see it how you see it and you can fold in or exclude whatever you want in your "I spy" thing. But it's certainly not necessarily true. I think you're losing the script here. Why wouldn't one want to use completion %? If you want to contend that Allen got a "nap tap" in the Ravens game and should have been in protocol, then his completion % may very well have been down the subsequent week. It's the same contention I'm making about the Green Bay game - which he finished with a completion % of 52%, followed by 53% the following week in the loss to the Jets. In the Jets game, Allen had Diggs and Davis to throw to, as well as McKenzie and Kumerow. In the Houston game, no Shakir, just Coleman, as well as Samuel and Hollins - worse receiving group, worse completion %. Anyway, I'm Out, because as I said, if we're playing "injuries as detected by GoBills808's Mark IV Eyeball", there's no basis for discussion.

If your standard is "I spy with my Little Eye" and not injury reports, in fairness you would have to have eyeball-saw-it notes for every game of Allen's career. Otherwise, as "Simon says", this is recency bias. For example, I think Allen got his "bell rung" in the 2022 Green Bay game, that being the reason a 24-7 drubbing turned into a game for the Pack, when Allen threw picks on back-to-back drives and his completion percentage plummeted in the 2nd half. At the time of the Ravens game, @Simon commented that wasn't Allen's first "turf nap". Again, I'm not saying there shouldn't be concern about Allen taking a beating, I'm just saying your contention "Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league" doesn't seem to be supported by facts. Allen has taken a serious beating every year of his career, and one can make an argument that this season (knock wood!!!!!) if anything it's a bit less.

OK, so he's injured his L hand this season Rookie year: partially torn UCL, missed 4 games 2019: concussion, missed 0 games 2020: shoulder sprain, played in LB brace for 3 games and passed poorly for 4 2021: turf toe, missed 0 games 2022: partially torn UCL, missed 0 games but passing down for about 6 games 2023: shoulder sprain, missed 0 games 2024: L hand injury, may have dinged right hand on a helmet but did not undergo medical exam treatment ; examined for concussion but cleared I think there's some recency bias in the list because I'm pretty sure Allen was pulled from the game and examined for concussion in at least one previous year. So ?? where's the "clearly taken more damage" in the "damage = injuries" you cite?

OK, so far it's looking as though I'm due for one helping of crow pie for thinking the Colts Lions might be a good game

I don't see how that's clear at all. As I laid out in another post, on a per -game basis to date, Allen is running at a career low for sacks, close to a career low for QB hits, and at a career low for rush attempts per game. As far as I can tell, he's sliding more per rush attempt as well. What are you looking at to make this conclusion? Is it some sort of eyeball metric for "viciousness of the hit"? That's not to say that Allen hasn't taken too many hits and too much damage in his previous seasons, just that I don't see how it's clear he's taken more damage this season.

You're right. If the 49'ers had Purdy, I think it's the GOTW. Without Purdy and Bosa I'm thinking it's a very bad matchup for the '49ers You could be correct - I could be giving the Pack too much credit and not giving enough credit to Shanahan's offense, which can adapt, it seems, to almost any QB I dunno though - Brandon Allen? Guy who couldn't see the field with the 2016 Jaguars? 2-7 record with Denver and Cincy? Less than 200 passing yards average? Just seems like a hella mismatch.

OK, that TD to Knox against the Jets deserves more look. This link just takes you to the "Highlights", scroll down and click on "Josh Allen evades defenders to find Dawson Knox for 12-yard TD" You can slow it down for a better look. "OK, there's a gap, QB gonna come through and I'll tackle him....WAIT WAT?"

Don't forget Dawson Knox. It was played at his wedding, so ya gotta get him in there somehow.

That is Such a Thing of Beauty A Thing of Beauty is a Joy Forever Comments: - Watch 3:35. I still can't believe that play. Allen ducks BETWEEN Dawkins and the Jets defender DDawk is blocking. - at ~6:05 why is that not a "tackle out of bounds" penalty? Mine spouse, who is NOT a football fan, was walking behind me was I watched it and said "was that a penalty? He's (meaning Allen) out of bounds." If a total non-fan sees it, what's up with the refs? Is that the play where Spencer Brown had a "conversation" with Colts #20 and got fined for it? -Brown should have got a commendation for encouraging player safety if so - Love the use of "Mr Brightside" - Jimbo is Good Thanks for that Thing of Beauty, @HappyDays LOL at this Chargers fan responding to this video, though. SMH. SMDH.

Well, if it's rare, then the odds of a loss when a better team plays an inferior team are small. Which would mean the trap is usually, in effect, not a trap. Because great teams play inferior teams every Sunday, and often it's coming off a big win When two teams battle hard, they usually come out bruised and battered and even if the injury report isn't horrific, almost all the key players are not at their best. So a letdown is hard to avoid. That's why the #1 seed and the bye week are so critical. The NFL would tell you an inferior team beats a much better team because of parity in the NFL - the margin between a great team and a losing team is smaller than people think.

Probably more. I think it was an NFLPA/NFL agreement, so they may have flown all the reps to NYC for a meeting Since I think the fine schedule was set Before Covid made people understand that meetings could take place virtually

Indy playing Lions this week KC playing Carolina and it should be ugly mOneSTErY STuPid Walk Dog GOOD - @hondo in seattle's

Good question. How do you get your games? 506 sports says the networks are offering me an enchanting choice of Chiefs @ Carolina, which looks to me like Cruelty to Animals Or Lions @ Colts. I'm thinking that could potentially be a good game, one of the better early games. I thought Richardson looked pretty good against the Jets, whose D is legit. And the Colts had a legit chance to win 2 more games. The Lions just mauled the Jaguars, but Goff looked like the 2nd Coming of Peterdude against the Texans - really really bad decision making. So I'll be interested to see what the Colts can come up with. General question: NE vs MIA, who we want?