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That was a legit block in the back call tho

There we go, just keep running the ball, matriculate the ball

Bobby Hart is next up I think.

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That’s why I only took back 1/3 of the half the bad things I already took back about his blocking 🤔

You ready for Bobby Hart or Ryan Bates at LT?

He was on injury report before the Lions game, maybe he reinjured it. I hope he can get a ‘treatment’ at halftime and a better tape job. And ***** Sweeney, I put back 1/3 of half the bad things I took back about his blocking

What did he hurt?

He has not been on the injury report this week. He was reported with an ankle injury prior to the Lions game.

Who are you talking to, because it doesn't seem to be me. I've said nothing about Gabe Davis talent level being 'substandard' Neither has Cosell, actually. He said we have "one very good WR and a bunch of guys". "Bunch of guys" would mean "average players" not "substandard" I do think Gabe's catch % is sub-par for a #2 WR, but that can relate to a lot of factors besides talent. You're showing up with a pretty hot defense of our guys, which is fine, but I think it misses Cosell's point. He's not saying the Bills players other than Josh and Diggs are talentless scrubs or that they never "flash" and have great games where they're "King for a Day". But he's saying (as I take it), looking at their full body of work, they're not outstanding, or even above-average talents. Cosell watches a lot of film, so he'd be doing some "eyeball test" there, but basic stats kind of back that up. For example, if you sort by receiving yards, Miami has two receivers in the top 32 (#1 Hill and #5 Waddle). Gabe is likely an above average #2 WR, taking his body of work as a whole, and at times he can take over a game, but he's inconsistent and can also disappear for games. It's like our #3 guy, McKenzie or our TE Dawson Knox. No one could deny they've both had games where he single-handedly ruined the other team's day, and I'm sure Cosell would grant them that. But they do it on occasion. We would all like more consistency. Davis is a game wrecker more often, but again - it's not as consistent as one would like to really call him a top receiver. I'm outta here, sorry, I don't have the patience now-a-days to sort through the style of discussion here.

Might be. Morris is usually active though. He missed 3 days of practice with illness this week and was “questionable” for game, so likely that’s why he’s out Kaiir Elam out with Benford on IR surprises me, as does Dean Marlowe. They must feel confident that Cam Lewis can handle the safety role in case of injury (avert)

Gabe Davis actually did - he had 5 scored drops on 35 receptions last year (8%) vs so far 6 scored drops on 36 receptions (10%), and overall 55.6% catch rate vs 55% catch rate this year. I don't know about the route running mistakes. Gabe injured his ankle early last season and Bills media (Sal Capaccio I think) said it impacted him in practice almost halfway through the season. This season, he missed Game 2, then seemed to have a great game and be all healed up vs. Pitt and KC. I don't know if he injured it again, but he's not been on injury report since week 5. It's a concern that his ankle may be a recurring problem.

Whoa, take a breath, Fella! Punctuation Saves Lives! Cosell has been expressing similar concerns regularly on his weekly "OBL" pieces with Chris Brown and Steve Tasker - that the Bills offense depends too much upon Josh Allen vs. having a run game and scheming WR open, and that the OL is "average or slightly above average" but not good. This has been a theme, so I dunno what he says on the "Herd" as I don't watch it, and of course someone can disagree with Cosell,but it's his genuine opinion not because he had "nothing fresh to say" I would be happy to see an offensive explosion Gabe Davis sub-par catch % can not entirely be explained by 2 or 3 scored drops (balls that reach the receiver within a certain frame and are ruled to be catchable with "ordinary effort". Gabe has 6 of those this season. He also had 5 last season, so this isn't a fluke. If you add half his drops to his catches, he'd have a catch % of 60% instead of 55%, which would be OK, but still a bit low (all but 2 of the 22 WR above Gabe for yards have >61%) I love Gabe as a player but I wish he could hold onto the rock a bit better. Would help him, would help Josh, would help the Bills.

That's essentially what Greg Cosell said, despite the OP of this thread misquoting him. He said the OL is not "very good", not that they're "bad" He has previously said that they're "average or a bit above average" (ie, middle of the pack) We have WRs with game breaking speed, it's the "get open and catch the ball" part that's a question Not really same. They have a very good OL and two RBs who are headed for another >1500 Y/Sc year, a solid to very good vet WR in S-S, and speedy guys in Valdez-Scantling and (when healthy) Hardman. So they have an average-ish run game exclusive of their QB and better targets behind Kelce. Perhaps it's what you mean, but .... better play design?

Not go away but die down. 9 mph gusting 17 at 8 pm, dying off a little bit as the game goes on 34 degrees, feels like 26 or 27

From the land of "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot"? Huh? Hard to take the football knowledge of a guy seriously when he can't tell the difference between Quinton Morris (questionable from illness) and Mitch Morse (practiced in full all week, no game designation), or the difference between adding 3 defensive players to the injured list, vs 3 defensive players coming back. SMDH

How about we start with how many snaps he gets?

Finally, someone gets it! Yes! It's not just me - the Cover1 crew has been saying for weeks "same terminology, but only about 20-30% of the offense has carried over". You simply can't say "plug Beasely into Dorsey's offense and his results would be the same as last year" It's not the same offense.

I mean...is the play caller causing route-running mistakes or WR failing to haul in catchable throws, or having drops?

Maybe he just needs a hug

F5 F5 F5 on the PS elevations/any roster moves (they have to be filed by 4 pm but not necessarily announced by then)

I think there's something to McKenzie lost some of Josh's trust. I also think there's something to be said for McKenzie not being open by design (differs from not being designed open) For example, on the play where McKenzie scored a TD, Diggs essentially ran a clear-out route where he attracted the attention of 2 defenders. McKenzie then fairly easily outran his one guy. In previous weeks, I've seen McKenzie being that guy who always ran the clear-out route for Diggs or Davis - but it's also stopped working because defenders are saying "Oh Ho Ho I'm not biting, you aren't throwing to that shrimp, Diggs is your guy". I've also seen times when Gabe Davis seemed likely to have drawn the a clear-out route and Davis (I think, JT O'Sullivan agrees FWIW) didn't run the correct route, thus not clearing it for McKenzie, I think I saw one with another guy - Cook maybe? spacing was goofy and I think Cook's route was wrong. So vs. Detroit, they switched it around and McKenzie got his shot with Diggs attracting the double-team and clearing the route for him. His route running isn't Beasley or Diggs level but it's better now than you might think. He improved a lot starting in 2020 when Diggs arrived. It's his catching ability that's eyebrow-twitching, especially when the ball comes right at his numbers. If it's over his head or in front of him he seems to catch nicely. I also think there's something in the "Dorsey doesn't draw up plays...." theory, not that Dorsey doesn't know how to draw up plays for a slot, but Dorsey sees the slot role as divided between a receiver and RB and TE. Cover1 said (and this is something I've seen) we don't seem to have that many plays with intermediate routes, it's either deep or dump off. I see McKenzie in the flat a lot with Josh looking downfield. You gotta remember that Dorsey was handed our DB coach John Butler as his "passing game coordinator", so that's an extra dose of uncertainty in terms of who is doing what with different aspects of the offensive play design and philosophy. JMO Shady McCoy was always an RB who needed decent blocking to get him to the 2nd level.

I'm assuming they got a second MRI now that it's been a week and the swelling is presumably down. IR means he'll miss at least 4 games, so do you think they might have decided to do a clean-up procedure now? It would make sense if they 2nd MRI showed that probably he wouldn't be able to play on the tear (what I hear is some tears you can play on, some you can't) Where's @Mr. WEO he probably knows about this stuff?

I did NOT see that coming with the way the Bills seem to fight like hell to avoid IR'ing guys who can't contribute for 3 weeks and are hampered in the 4th.

So I think you might be mishearing or misinterpreting what Cosell actually said. DId you listen to it? He's not saying that the Bills don't have a very good offense. He's saying that people are so focused on what a special talent Josh Allen is, that we lose sight that the Bills: -don't have a real good oline (he's said elsewhere he sees it as average or a little above, not more) -don't have a consistent run game -have one very good WR in Diggs and "a bunch of other guys" Is there any part of that you disagree with? If so, which part, and why? KC invested very heavily in re-building their OL after the superbowl loss in 2020. They moved on from Eric Fisher. They invested a ton of picks (1st, 3rd 4th and 5th, got a 2nd and 6th back) and then a $16.7M franchise tag into Orlando Brown from the Ravens. They signed Joe Thuney to a 5 year, $80M contract in FA. They drafted Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round. They had a bit of luck with Trey Smith as a 6th round pick working out at RG. Basically they kept one guy, Andrew Wylie, who became their RT. And it wasn't just counting on luck, they had alternatives competing at G and T. Prior to this year, the Chiefs had Tyreek Hill at WR and Edwards Helaire at RB. Their run game was "meh" (16th in the league) but they had over 1600 yds/Sc and 14 TD from their RBs. This year, they had a good 7th round pick in Isaiah Pacheco and they're on target for similar production from their RBs. They also picked up Smith-Schuster and Valdez-Scantling who have been quality WR; SS fell off last year with the Ghost of Ben Roethlisberger throwing to him, but otherwise he catches 70% of everything thrown his way. Valdez-Scantling is more "JAG" except for the 4.37 speed That's a lot of yak, but the point is that the Chiefs invested heavily in OL, RB (E-H was a 1st) and FA WR and they have a fair bit of offense that does not run through Kelce or Mahomes. That's really the critique of the Bills: do they have an OL that can support a run game outside of Josh Allen, or WR who can get open and catch the ball consistently other than Diggs? Or are they relying on Josh Allen to create offense with his legs (leading rusher) and with his arm outside of play structure?