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Some of those guys must feel like they're walking on air

I actually think it will may be Cam Lewis.

little article from Sal https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/bills/doctors-hamlin-making-substantial-improvement?utm_campaign=sharebutton&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=WGRAM I actually think it would be super-cool to have a t-shirt with a photo of Hamlin in his jersey and the caption: "There's gonna be a lot of toys for him to buy"

There aren't HIPAA concerns because the family requested the press conference and authorized the doctors to speak. It sounded as though there were agreed-on boundaries before the conference, and the doctors (I thought) did a great job of gently smacking down questions that went too far. I actually was kind of flabbergasted by the level of medical detail a couple of physicians who got on the call requested. They want to know the ejection volume***, what's next, the size in inches? ***yes, yes, I understand what they're actually asking for, but I haven't been able to make a joke for 3 days, work with me

PR and media relations management is normally not something they teach in medical school I thought those two physicians did an INCREDIBLE job. They were very generous in recognizing the Bills physicians and trainers, gently emphasizing the impact of immediate bystander CPR and defibrillation on a positive outcome, and also firm but clear on refusing to provide details of exact timing of the arrest/resuscitation that remains to be reviewed, or detailed results of medical tests that are nobody's business but his family's Trying to summarize some notes I took: Initial response: 1. initially had pulse when trainers reached him, pulse disappeared under their initial care 2. had one round of CPR and one round of defibrillation to restore a pulse (ROSC, return of spontaneous circulation) 3. had a "textbook" EMS response including airway maintenance and intubation prior to transport to hospital 4. no details about why/how long the ambulance remained in the tunnel, but did share that Hamlin was intubated and had airway maintenance prep once he was inside the ambulance. 5. no tracheostomy (hole in the throat to insert a breathing tube, this would be done if there were an object lodged in upper airway or if there were neck trauma where swelling would threaten the airway). 6. no broken jaw. 7. was sedated, placed on ventilator and placed in prone position due to ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) which was explained as an inflammatory response interfering with gas exchange in the lungs. 8. hypothermia protocol was used Current status: 1. Still on ventilator with breathing tube in place, so can not speak. 2. Is communicating by moving shaking head or nodding (important detail - means they aren't worried about neck injury), by squeezing hands, and by writing on paper on clipboard. 3. He asked early on who won the game? Doctor said they told him "you did, Damar, you won the game of Life". 4. Parents and family and members of the Buffalo Bills staff are with him 5. Said he's been holding lots of peoples' hands - he's held doctor's hand, family, Bills 6. They can very much feel the prayers and the well wishes surrounding Damar and his family. 7. Said his family is wonderful and they wish everyone had a family like that. 8. Said Damar has been told he's got a lot of toys to buy when he gets out of hospital Next steps: 1. Focus is on improving his respiration and restoring his ability to breathe without the ventilator 2. Asked if Commotio Cordis was the cause of his cardiac arrest. Explained that Commotio Cordis is a "diagnosis of exclusion" and they will be conducting further tests to rule out other causes of sudden cardiac arrest before that diagnosis would be made. 3. Asked about concussion. They explained that no head injury detected, but concussion is a neurological diagnosis and since he's been sedated on a ventilator that evaluation could not be made. 4. Asked several times about what the best outcome would be, and what kind of rehab he would need or timeline. Said the best outcome would be to return to the state he was in at 8 pm Monday night (didn't sound as though they rule that out) but it's too soon to tell what kind of rehab would be needed or what the timeline would be Hope this is helpful to anyone who didn't have time to listen to the whole thing.

Not intended to disrespect your generous desire to meet the information needs here or your source: All that information and more was provided directly from two physicians involved in his care during the almost hour long news conference that just concluded

Question for our emergency medicine/ICU docs here: Can he be maintained on a ventilator (if still needed) while conscious?

I'm waiting for the video of him walking out of the hospital in his #3 Bills warmup suit. Oh, Hell, I don't care, he can wear his "Love Me B4 They All Do" swaggy jacket if he prefers 😆 I BILLieve it will come, and maybe in not too long* *for values of not too long measured in weeks

Yesterday it was reported they had meetings and a walk-through practice. That implies the coaches have been "on it" putting together a game plan that they're installing. It's usual, I believe, for the Weds after a Mon game to be a walk-through. It was probably pretty hard for them to focus. It's said that an update from Damar's father was part of the team meeting, so that probably helped a lot.

great idea, but make it in honor of the Bills training and medical staff. Denny Kellington may have done the first chest compressions, but the guy who grabbed his radio and said whatever their word is for cardiac arrest to start the rest of the equipment and team in motion, the guy or gal who protected his neck from being jostled in case of injury, the guy or gal who started unscrewing his face mask for oxygen and cutting off his Jersey and pads so the defibrillator patches could be adhered in the correct locations….they are all heros

A little note of caution. What “neurologically intact” probably means in this medical context is they brought him out of sedation, and started talking to him and asking him to respond. Questions to respond with a blink or hand squeeze if he can feel touch on hands and feet, move hands and feet. They may have disconnected the vent and trialed if he could breathe on his own. “Lungs continue to heal” may mean that he’s still on the ventilator. Again like having a pulse as he left the field, it’s good. It’s very very good. It beats the hell out of the alternative. Ir’s a very very very good sign, but at this point may not go as far as “no impairment” to physical or mental abilities. But 60 hrs post event this is fantastic progress

Apologies if I missed this upthread Pretty cool

So I don't know if the OP question has been addressed, but Taron was listed as "limited" in today's practice with concussion. We also released CB Xavier Rhodes and claimed a safety named Jared Mayden from the NY Jets practice squad. Mayden spent from Oct 10 to Nov 3 on the Bills PS. 2020 with the 49ers, mostly PS but active for a couple of games 2021 with the Eagles, injured in 2022 camp and waived in September 2022 Bills and then Jets PS Alabama guy https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jared-mayden/32004d41-5928-9049-dc85-306cbb28b23a Just under 6 ft tall, 200 lbs, 4.44 40-time

When I saw the replay of that PI call, I thought "OK, if that's the way you want to call the game - just be sure you call it fair to both sides that way"

Dressed for Cleveland and for Detroit games. Played on ST

Ha. Nothing prepares you for seeing traumatic life or death events. You're told about it. You hear about it. But when you encounter it for yourself, it's different. And then once one sort of life or death event becomes something you encounter enough to know how to process it, you see something worse. Still, I see your point that witnessing your teammate being resuscitated before your eyes is A Lot. It's A Lot when someone who is trained and knows what they're going to see, sees it. The thing is, medical emergencies (in the moment) are easier for trained medical personnel to deal with because they follow their training and focus on the task at hand. There are sayings like "get back on the horse as soon as possible" for riders and "go back up as soon as you can" for aerialist performers because the sooner you get back to doing something you're trained to do, the sooner the trauma gets pushed aside by the familiar routine and the less space there is for fear and uncertainty to grow. So I think they need to get back to their routine ASAP while they're working through stuff. Because otherwise it's just going to grow and become this Shadow Beast in the corner they have to fight. They've all taken thousands of blows and dealt them. They know this. What happened to Damar is apparently very very rare overall and even rarer in football - the fact that guys who have been in the league for decades say "I've never seen anything like this" shows this. Sometimes the best way out is Through. JMO. This is such a horribly bad take that it deserves to be placed on a pedestal, cryogenically preserved, and enshrined in a Hall of Fame for Bulletin Board Bad Takes somewhere.

Good point that being the one everyone looks to takes a high toll of emotional energy, and that the Bills have gone through A Lot this season. I hope you're correct and that he reaps the reward of having created that environment, if he needs the support himself. I hope he's OK. It would certainly be understandable if he's struggling, or temporarily overwhelmed. But I think the Bills needs him right now, so I hope he's able to tap the inner resources of his Faith and his family, and be present for them.

It's meaningful to a bunch of team's playoff hopes and seedings I believe.

Huh. All right I gave him the click. And I thought what he said made so much sense that now I may have trouble visualizing his nose as a tiny penis in future. Go figure.

Individual responses to anesthetic drugs do vary so I wouldn't want to exclude that some might come out aware, just as some patients are conscious during surgery under general anesthesia and remember it. For n of 1, when my mom was sedated and placed on a ventilator, then transported in an ambulance to the major teaching hospital, she didn't remember a thing about it. She remembers being in one hospital having just eaten some breakfast, then waking up 28 hrs later in the ICU of a different hospital, and nothing in between.

Depends upon the protocol. Normal body temperature 37 deg C. Cool to 32-34 C. So 3-5 degrees.

The NFL pretty much has to take care of Hamlin, vested or not. It would be an enormous and very public black eye for the "Shield" to do otherwise. I don't like the "McDermott is still battling" message. There was something said about a member of the Bills organization who collapsed from exhaustion and emotion. I hope that wasn't McD, or that if so, he is able to be resilient.

I think Yolo's meaning was that the hospital and its staff need to tread very carefully about releasing medical information about Damar Hamlin's condition. Privacy of personal health care information from unauthorized release by physicians, hospitals etc is one of the things HIPAA actually DOES prohibit. The hospital staff updates Damar's family and anyone else he's previously authorized (team rep maybe). Then they decide what information to release and when

Big respect for Burrow's behavior throughout the whole situation as well. One of the things Taylor said is that when he decided to go to the visitor's locker room to talk to Sean McDermott, the Bengals captains approached him and said they wanted to go talk to the Bills captains. He wasn't sure it was the right thing to do, but he passed the request to Sean McDermott. Once he saw the two groups together he said he knew immediately it was the right thing to do. They both (Burrow and Taylor) come across as true Leaders of Men.

Truly impressed by watching the entire interview with Zac Taylor. Seems like a man I'd want to run through a wall for - totally genuine and straight-shooter. Respect.