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Agree, am haoppy Martin was re-signed I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone is gonna beef if you create a thread for it, especially once the terms are known.

I think this is a case where perception is not reality.

In theory, if the player retires before the end of his current contract, the team can request the repayment of the amortized bonus. However, depending upon the circumstances, teams don't do this, and I'm not sure how it is viewed if the team amortizes the bonus beyond the real length of the contract into "void years", or if the player agrees to help the team's cap by converting salary to bonus - pretty sure that becomes the team's problem. And of course, there's the Eric Wood move where the player doesn't retire but "can no longer be cleared to play football" due to injury (or is cut by the team because they can no longer play) in which case, again, the team eats it. This is an interesting point, but teams routinely get around this by inserting big roster or "option" bonuses that may get converted to signing bonus and amortized further. Pretty sure you know this, just putting the info out there for those who don't.

It works the same way as any other restructure. You can always convert salary to signing bonus, and amortize it over the life of the contract which lowers the current cap hit. The player gets his money up-front instead of paid weekly in 18 installments, so usually the player's finance guy does an NPV calculation and tells the player he doesn't care even though in a state like NY he'll pay more state taxes that way.

He was on the field for 66 plays. I could be wrong, but don't think he was running the same 2 plays on all 66 snaps. He's definitely faster than McKenzie once he gets going.

He certainly started on the Bills as a poor route runner Yeah, he ran a lot of deep crossers last year, mostly as clearing routes - that was what he was asked to do on a lot of plays. I hear that Gabe Davis is a poor route runner who only has 3 routes, also, I don't know.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Hines trying a few sweeps and it didn't work out. I think McKenzie has a kind of fast-burst quickness that lends itself, while Hines has an afterburner where once he's going, he can turn it on. Just my impression. Same thing with Shakir - he's fast, but he's not as quick if that makes sense?

I don't disagree in principle, but my first reaction when I read that is "how are they at pass protection?" RBs typically improve in pass pro between year 1 and 2, so Cook may step up. I don't recall Hines being very good at it. Of course, if we had a better OL to start with and a QB more willing to take the short pass option, it could be less of a concern.

McKenzie ran a pretty full route tree. I'm not saying what the Bills do - it depends on who they bring in, surely - but I don't think you look at Hines and McKenzie as equivalent at all. One thing is, McKenzie is owed a roster bonus of $250,000 this Fri, so if they cut him, they likely cut him this week. My guess is that he comes into camp and competes.

Does anyone know exactly how they handled it yet?

I can see your point Two counter points - 1) I think the top skill position players will be hard for the Bills to afford and frankly, I'm a bit under-enthused at the FA WR crop. Meyers? Tik-Tok Boy? Lazard? Slayton (I think the Giants will re-sign him)? Chark? Parris Campbell really interests me, I'll grant. Who you want? 2) Are the Bills good at evaluating OL talent in the draft? Cody Ford near the top of the 2nd round and Spencer Brown near the bottom of the 3rd have me.....concerned. Boogie Basham 2 picks before Creed Humphrey is another big head-shaker. I think we need a combination of FA, where you can usually see how a guy can play, and draft. Maybe Kromer will make a difference, I don't know. There's also the point that's been made that while pricey, a FA guard may be a better bargain than a FA WR or TE, even FA RB.

"one of the Bills top 5 or 6 players this year" #2 offense Allen Diggs Morse Dawkins #2 Defense DaQuan Jones Edmunds Milano Poyer I think you could make an argument for top 10-12 Maybe you meant on defense?

JMO but I think the Bills need both, not either/or. Sign the best guy we can get AND draft one. Morse is no spring chicken and could be lost to a concussion at any time. What the Bills did with Eric Wood where we started him a couple years at guard than moved him to C would work for me Thought KC planned to re-sign him. They gave up a lot in that trade to treat him like a rental

Did you mean under? Allen alone should put us from over to under

No argument on those points. My point was with the value of the coach’s recommendation of him as “most NFL ready receiver”. I don’t think that particular coach had a basis to tell

I think the Zay Jones issue was that his coach wasn’t an NFL level coach and didn’t know what he didn’t know IIRC he hasn’t been back in the NFL since.

The year he re-signed, there were a lot of stories in the press and posts here that the Bills were expected to be out-bid in the open market. Milano himself trolled fans (and maybe the Bills FO a bit) posting pictures of his dinner with a yacht salesman etc. Then he decided he wanted to stay, and re-signed just prior to FA- by which time I’m sure his agent had a great read on his FA value. He probably took a bit less to stay here but not a lot. Edmunds may feel he can earn Roquan Smith $$ and maybe he can, but I don’t think the Bills can/will pay that

The fact that it happened with Davante Adams and has happened in the past with a handful of players does not refute the fact that it seldom happens, which is the claim you are addressing with “why do you guys not look up facts before posting?” It could, theoretically, happen with any player who has a strong market but the fact remains it’s risky business for a team with tight cap space (or no cap space) because they only have a week between the tagging and the need to be under the cap on the first day of the league New Year. So trade partners are aware of that, and can push for a “fire sale”, and if the trade doesn’t go through the team is in a bind. Adams was arguably the best WR in the league. Do you think any of the Bills FA, including Edmunds, are arguably the best players at their positions in the league?

They’re saying $82M guaranteed in the first 2 years.

This here says it’s not true. Purged his twitter feed (does this most years). Still follows Bills, Allen etc on Insta & Twitter

Dude look around first Not when it would involve the player giving back bonus they’ve already been paid and converting it to salary to reduce dead cap, which is what would have to happen. Not allowed

Press, at the combine

Conspiracy theorists may enjoy: https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/frazier-s-exit-doesn-t-pass-the-sniff-test/article_bb6b04e1-728e-5aaf-90f5-4c10252813dc.html I mean, he's not wrong about the "sniff test" in the sense that I can't recall another coach, under contract, taking a voluntary year off. "Unprecedented" is the word that comes to mind. I think there's more to it. On the other hand, he's fluffing up the hiring of Al Holcomb as "defensive assistant" as suspicious. We did something similar on the offensive side last year, hiring Mike Shula, and a couple of Bills press guys have pointed out differences in how Holcomb used LBs and Joe Danna used safeties as changes the Bills may wish to employ He's also microanalyzing Beane's response to a reporter's question about whether Frazier would be the DC if he hadn't decided to take a year off. Beane was asked if Frazier would still be the DC if he hadn't decided to take a year off and Beane said "Yes". It really isn't so suspicious when you watch the presser. He's not fluffing up the point that Frazier was himself a championship winning CB, that his youngest son played CB for Rice, and that what happened to Damar may have hit him personally and hard. The Hamlin thing is pretty well unprecedented, as well.

C'mon man. Someone being fat does not put the rest of the public at risk of death or serious injury. Driving recklessly - drag racing on public streets in a suburb with other cars on the road - does. Heck even violating traffic laws like failing to stop at a red light or failin It's pretty nonsensical to suggest limiting the kind of cars adults can buy as a solution, but countering it with a personal health issue and suggesting that food be regulated is an absurd analogy. If that's the best ideas and reasoning you got, quit now.

I'm not gonna go there with the "wrongful arrest", but it has been known to happen that people call into the police for, lets say, spurious reasons. My FIL, about as law abiding a person as one can find, was once pulled over by two very nervous (hence aggressive) officers for "transporting weapons" after someone called it in, and they weren't made less nervous when my late MIL pulled her car off the road behind them. (The "weapons" observed were metal kitchen chair legs) Apparently the "open alcohol container between his legs" was found to be half full of tobacco spit. I'm sure if it was alcohol, and open, they would have gotten him with "open container" at the least. The "loaded firearm in the car" - c'mon Man, this is Texas. A loaded firearm in the car is only a problem if another felony has been committed. So once the other charges went away, the firearms charge went with them. A late friend of mine used to quip, when he was enroute from Indiana to Texas to take up a job "when I crossed the Texas border, they searched my car for firearms. Fortunately I had some, so they let me in". As far as the "apparently chances were great"... that has not come up publicly, you may have an inside source but if they didn't test for it, it's an assertion without evidence, and respectfully, law enforcement has been known to circulate self-justificatory stories internally. I'm sure you've encountered this.