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Well, that's definitely true. Who was it, Pat Shurmur, who quipped "I don't know any QB who says 'Hey, let 'em come up the middle, I can handle it' I just don't know that the C and G are especially more important to a QB like Josh. Obviously the Blind Side is still critical, and a number of Josh's critical sacks and strip sacks have come rolling to the R. But for sure, the QB can't step up into the pocket if there isn't a pocket.

Oh, intriguing thought. I'm gonna go with "no", in that typically if a guy has the tools to succeed at T in the league, that's where they put him. And typically, if you sign a guy because he's looked good at one position, you don't want to ask him to learn a new position. However, fun fact - Edwards actually started a game at LT in 2021 when both Whitworth and his backup Noteboom were ruled out with Covid. The Rams won, 30-23. Stafford was not sacked. I agree with you that the Bills have a type. On the other hand, when drafting and signing FA to type produces a sub-par OL with a non-existent run game year after year, at what point does the FO need to evaluate whether their type is the best fit for what they're trying to accomplish?

So your solution on what to do if the draft were today, is to trade (what? a draft pick? a player? who?) for an aging and recently-injured former great with a high salary like Hopkins or Evans, then spend more cap $$ on a 1 year rental of Bobby Wagner, who has fallen off in coverage the last year or so? Then use the late round picks we have left after trading for Hopkins to try to upgrade from Oliver, a former 1st round pick, and Spencer Brown, a 3rd round pick? Brilliant. Why didn't Beane think of that? PS Kyle Allen is here as our current backup QB

I agree with you about what they should do Objectively assessing Beane's MO, I think his pressers translate to "we're gonna give Brown another year" I think making our biggest FA signing a G and bringing in a formerly good G to compete signals we're not gonna be drafting a G I hope I'm wrong.

What Dawkinstein said and @davefan66 as well, and no, running out to buy an Apple won't solve some of your problems. You need to isolate your computer from the internet and disinfect it. Depending upon how good the hackers were, and how good you are, this may be a job for professionals. My SIL had good luck with Geek Squad. If the computer is old enough that you might consider replacement anyway, replace it. You also need to change ALL your passwords, especially passwords to banks, ASAP. Also change your security questions. Don't give the same answers to the new ones. Make up *****. "Where did you meet your wife?" "Tattooine" "What was your first car?" "Austin Martin" that kind of thing. Invest in a good secure password program and keep track of the questions and answers there (and keep it OFF your infected computer). Don't forget to change router and modem passwords and update their firmware if not current. Lock your credit with all 3 credit bureaus. This will prevent thieves from opening new credit cards in your name. Be aware that malware may be embedded in any backups you make of docs or data, so those have to be scanned with good software before you let them back on an uninfected machine. Be aware that the very best (or worst depending upon perspective) malware will disable anti-malware software and produce a specious "no malware found" report. Good luck. Because of my streaming habits we got trojan infections on the computer I used until we set up a separate computer to run Linux for the purpose. Most of the malware barfs on Linux.

LOL are you actually, seriously, using the fact that a player, or more than 1 player, failed to come back from serious injury to argue that they weren't good players before they were injured? So if a player rips both knees out, or has back surgery, or only plays one season after coming back from an Achilles tear at age 30, it somehow is supposed to prove they were bad before they were injured? C'Mon Man. You're becoming a caricature. ChiefsPlanet LOL the fan site most Chiefs fans regard as a cesspool of bad opinions and fan rabidity

It's not gonna work. He's not gonna stop because you say that. 50 of us could say that and he's not gonna stop

Ha Ha. For definitions of "always" equal to "only in 2022, when he was rehabbing the achilles he tore late in the 2021 season. Seriously, I don't see the Bills re-up'ing him if they didn't think he'd be good to go for TC.

I'm really not clear on that bit about the G and C being more important. I think with the O operating so much out of shotgun, and with Josh sometimes dropping back from that, the DL can go wide and get a clear bead on Josh if the OTs don't have good lateral movement. Obviously I'm trying to wipe it from my memory banks, but I seem to recall the Bengals rushing wide from the right side and just beating Brown like a drum.

I’ll also say this. There is a difference between one person in a group or organization undergoing an emotionally stressful event, and the whole organization suffering it. In the former case the rest of the organization can hold them up - surround them with support and cover for them if needed. I think the Bills did that for Knox the first month or so of the season. When the whole group underwent the same event, it’s a different situation. The Bills could have been energized and inspired collectively, but they weren’t. End of story.

-Why do you think Boettger would start the season on PUP? He was healthy enough to be active and take snaps in one game; he was also healthy enough to be re-signed to a 1 yr deal. Remember PUP is ONLY for players who are not physically able to take a single rep in training camp. Once they do, they become ineligible for PUP. -Why do you think the team would rely on Doyle as LT/RT depth, when he is rehabbing from an ACL tear that was probably operated on in mid-Oct, and may well start TC on PUP? I don't care if an OL is taken on Day 3, but if that's the only OL taken, I'll share your disappointment. I'm preparing for disappointment though I agree with you, I don't think they take an OG in the 1st round on Day 1.

Say more about Campbell and the differences you see between Edmunds and Campbell in how the defense would function. I know he's slower (a 4.6 guy) but the OBL crew and Maddy Glab were discussing him and described him as very cerebral, very fast to process, and solid in coverage. Especially his first two years here, and somewhat his third year, the knock on Edmunds seemed to be that he had incredible athleticism and the reach of a pteryactyl, but struggled to figure out how to apply them.

There's a chance Morse gets concussed again and decides to hang up the cleats any time, but I hope not. There's a big difference between "some experience at center" and a top C in the league, a level Morse played at last year. Edwards didn't just have "a concussion", he had two concussions in 2 weeks, that put him on IR and then when they opened his 21 day window and tried to bring him back, he couldn't make it. So he basically lost 3/4 of a season to 'a concussion', which is actually more worrisome to me than multiple concussions that were recovered from more rapidly. I think Edwards would be binned as a "high risk, high reward" signing - if he stays healthy, you get a SB-team level OG, but he could get concussed again and go out for the season at any time.

I did, too. And between Crowder and McKenzie the first few games, we were getting OK production from the slot. We do! You got one with great hands and a strong release we can sign for $2M or draft in the 4th round?

I agree, it was mystifying to watch. I'm just a bit puzzled on what, exactly, the people laying it on the coaches believe the coaches shoulda done. It was said that the coaches could tell the players were dragging and that they'd tried to adjust the week's schedule to "get things right". Obviously whatever they tried, either wasn't the right thing or wasn't enough.

I 100% agree with you it would be prudent, and in fact would have liked to see the Bills do that 2 years ago (yes, I'm still salty about Boogie Basham over Creed Humphrey, why do you ask?). However, and we'll have to wait and see what Edwards contract is to get an idea how the Bills see him - the fact that the Bills have signed two guys who are at best, upgrades and at worst, solid competition for Bates and Boettger says to me that a draft pick who's attracted enough attention and is pro-ready enough to not slide through onto the PS are unlikely. The Bills typically have 9 OL: the 5 starters, two backup G (one of them a G/C), two backup T - one swing, one who can play as a 6th OL They just paid Connor McGovern their biggest FA $$ of the season - he's the frontrunner to start one G position (initially, LG) and has played C. They may have a battle between Bates and Edwards for RG, but they're unlikely to slice Bates and count 100% on a guy who missed 13 games with a concussion last season if Edwards wins. I guess they may cut Boettger - he's on a 1 year, Veteran Salary Benefit contract with only a $76k bonus to take him into camp? Maybe I'm just jaded about the Bills likely OL investment. I still feel when it comes to investing in OL, they're like the 2021 Fed - they have a Low Interest Rate.

Doyle was injured at the end of September (Dolphins game). That means he likely had surgery mid-October. The league average time to return, I believe, is 12-13 months, so it's a pretty realistic expectation that he'll go through TC and into training camp on PUP. I could be wrong, but I think Big Men need more time to build their strength back up. They're basically bending their knees and trying to leverage the hell out of other big men with them every snap.

The Bills probably figure it's worth the signing bonuses to carry quality competition at OL into camp.

Who is Wililams? Bates has not shown himself to be anywhere near Morse at C.

Ike was rehabbing an Achilles last season and saw a mighty 6 snaps in week 15. Obviously they wouldn't have re-upped him if they didn't think there was a chance he could come back, and most players who do come back take a year, but I think there's a real question as to whether he can return to what he was - and then a 2nd question as to whether what he was, is good enough.

Isn't Doyle rehabbing a torn ACL as of the end of September? Chances seem good he starts the season on PUP.

Is he? (hurt a lot). He only played 4 games last season, but prior to that seems to have been pretty sturdy. -dnp the first 6 games of his rookie year 2019, played 100% of the snaps game 7 through 16 -dnp the first game of 2020 and half of the 2nd game, came in and played the rest of the season, but missed the two playoff games -2021, played 100% of the snaps in ever regular season game and all 4 playoff games except, taken out for 4 snaps in blowout against the Jaguars week 13 -2022 missed 1 game in concussion protocol, came back the following week, suffered 2nd concussion in 2 weeks, went on IR, missed rest of season So I don't think the issue is he's hurt a lot. I think the issue is he had a scary series of concussions last season, 2 in 2 weeks. It may say he tried to come back too soon from the 1st concussion (essentially, a Tua-type situation). He's this season's "I need a Guy to help teach my technique" for Kromer, except younger and potentially way more tread on his tires than Saffold had left. Hopefully fully recovered from his concussion symptoms and will undergo whatever mental training and mitigating strategies he can come up with - me, I'd be "Lemme take my $5.6M earnings and go enjoy life" but if a guy feels he's

Nah. It's one thing to be happy the team is trying to upgrade a few players you didn't see as the solution for this team in their positions. I'm all for that. I can see where the Bills view Harty as a higher ceiling guy and Sherfield as bringing a different skillset, so move on from McKenzie and give them a try. It's another thing to ***** on departing players who went hard here "missing when it mattered most" "too many gaffs at big moments", apparently having amnesia about the times they came through when it mattered. That's scapegoating, if you want to go there, Go There but don't expect a pass for it.

We'd gotten slapped in the face earlier in the season - Ravens were up on us 20-3 with 1:47 left in the 2nd Q with our previous drives being Interception - FG - Fumble - Punt -Punt - and we clawed back. I don't think the problem was that the players had "no idea how to respond to that". We weren't a team that had been having things all our own way with no need to battle back all season. So what exactly do you think the staff is supposed to do to change things?

Here's the thing. Maybe it's the Achilles heel of McDermott's strength. When you say you're going to craft a winning organization with love - with guys genuinely getting to know each other and soaking in and building bonds - you have to really mean it for it to be worth anything. And when you've got a guy, a brother, who essentially dies on the field and spends the next week fighting for his life - it's gonna have the same impact, in that environment, as a critical health situation or death for a close family member, except this time, it's not one guy it's the whole team. And the coaches are feeling it too. There were some media rumors that at least one of the coaches had broken down that following week. You can read the room, but what exactly are you supposed to do/say to "properly adjust" for a team that just had its head rammed into the fact that there are some things bigger than football? "Forget what just happened. Go out and go back to hitting other players like you want to smash their chests in, Be a Man". That doesn't work - it makes you look like everything you've ever said about loving and caring for one another is bogus. Sometimes it just takes time to process this stuff. You can scream at the players for not making plays, but if they think they're giving everything they've got or they just can't get it into that extra gear with the weight they're carrying, what's yelling gonna do? Yeah, a lot of us have lost a close family member or friend and taken our 1 to 3 days leave and gone back to work and sucked it up. But the circumstances are different. I could be working at 80% or 90% and still do a functional job, better than being absent and others having to cover for me. But the talent difference between two top teams (or even a top team and a bottom team) is not that big in today's NFL. Face a team you're a lot better than, maybe you can sleep walk through it. Face a team that's even steven, better in some places not as good in others, you better bring it all at 100% or you're Going Down. Personally I think it was a mistake to have Hamlin in the locker room before the game. I think it put "what can happen if you smash into a guys chest at the wrong time in the wrong place" right back before their eyes and instead of being motivational, was de-motivational. But @Simon said it, the Bills played their final game against the Patriots "with Love", and there were elements of that in the Dolphins game as well, so maybe it didn't make a difference or was positive.