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Is he 3TDT then? I was thinking 1T

Waita minnut pro football reference has him at 5'11", 310 lbs - isn't he UNDERSIZED?

You can take the question mark out of the title. The Bills have reported this themselves

I think you can bet on it.

What about Gilliam? They just signed him to a 2 year contract last season. He doesn't have a lot of dead cap, but they do seem to really like him. It might be a battle between him and Morris, but if they're trying to do more run up the gut they also might like to keep their FB Over in another thread, @JGMcD2 put out a pretty good 53 man roster guess https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/247098-bills-sign-udfa-6’6-wr-shavers-reportedly-3-year-deal/page/2/#comment-8384772 For reference, here is how the Bills roster broke down in 2021 and 2022: Historically last 2 seasons, Bills roster has broken down as follows 2022 QB 2, RB 4, FB 1, WR 6, TE 3, OL 9, DL 9, LB 6, CB 6 S 4 ST 3 2021 QB 2 RB 4, FB1 WR 7, TE 2, OL 9 DL 10 LB 6, CB 5 S 4 ST 3 I also don't think they'll move on from Klein. McDermott is big on vet leadership, and Klein is there "we know he can do it" vet MLB fallback position

I don't think Siran Neal is going anywhere this year. Someone needs to take his job as the dime back, and we may spend more time in different defensive formations. McKenzie, who was legit fast, always said that Siran Neal was the fastest guy on the team despite his 4.56 pajama olympics time. I think it's good, and reasonable, that we're apparently moving on and replacing 3 ST regulars in Johnson, Kumerow, and Jones. So keeping 2 in Matakevich and Neal is not unreasonable.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/taron-vincent/32005649-4e41-2665-354c-acf1fe8964a7

And yet, when the Bills moved on from him in 2020 at age 28, no other team signed him

Well, yeah but.... there are limited roster positions overall. So if you're carrying 4 RBs, you're carrying less guys somewhere else. And we have a lot of "versatility" to find roster spots for already between Harris, Cook, Hines then in the WR room Harty, Sherfield, Shorter and maybe Shavers. Then there's the idea that RBs hit a "wall" and their performance falls off after age 29 - Murray is 33. I guess if we brought him in to give the room that vet presence McDermott values and help keep the young guys taking care of their bodies and film, and we plan to Duke Johnson him/he's OK with that, it makes sense.

Thanks for the response. I guess I was partly looking at it from the perspective of the team composition as a whole. In another thread, I think it was @JGMcD2 who put out a pretty good post-draft guess at a 53 man roster and suggested we might roster 3 RB + a FB and 7 WR, vs 4 RB + a FB and 6 WR. The thinking is that we drafted a WR (usually keep those guys on the roster), we just signed an UDFA who excels as a gunner, and we're no longer keeping an RB roster spot for ace STer Taiwan Jones - instead we may need roster spots at WR and S for STers.

That's unclear yet, but WR Trent Sherfield clocked a 4.45 40 and plays teams. DB Zane Anderson clocked a 4.44 40, and played 69% of the snaps for the Chiefs last year I think our taller 5th round WR Shorter played teams but I don't know if he returned or played another position. He ran a slower 40, 4.55, but I think he plays faster Tyrell Shavers, our UDFA from San Diego, is said to be an ace gunner. 4.59 40

I don't understand this at all - can someone explain it to me, using small words? What does our running back room look like after this signing? How are the various backs used and who is game-day active?

Some teams like to mess around with their UDFA - they bring them in, then if they sign a vet, they cut them. I think Beane likes to leave some open spots so that if he signs a vet FA or makes a trade, he doesn't need to cut anyone.

I believe he went back to playing Rugby and is having success

I don't know, but honestly, I don't see the value in speculating like that. It's basically looking to see if one can point the finger at the parents while they deal with tragedy. If there are older kids running in and out of the pool, I know it's all too easy for the gate to be left open or not firmly latched and a toddler to toddle in. Nothing happened when I saw this but it could have. I do see value in pointing out that all pools should be fenced and the fence kept locked, to minimize the chances.

That's the law in most cities in the US as well, but of course the presence of fencing and a gate does not mean the gate will be properly closed and latched 100%, or that an athletic 2 yr old won't figure out how to get over the fence and into trouble.

Huh? The deadline is ET - so the W coast teams start at the same time, it's just earlier on the clock for them.

I think, their reasoning was somewhat along the lines of what we've seen in Allen's early years - that a truly elite, MVP of the league level QB can operate an offense with an average OL and average receivers, and elevate it to playoff contention. So they were focused on building a defense. Haven't we kind of seen that here? Hopefully it's changing. Now I think they figure if they're going to figure out whether Love has it, they need to put pieces around him. No. No, you do NOT need to say that.

After watching the NFL Doc thing I linked above, that may pretty well be what it is - not necessarily "improperly", but apparently the medical exams include each team's doctors manipulating various injured and formerly injured joints to test their ROM and any points of tenderness. He mentioned up to 64 doctors (2 from each team) and I sure hope that's changed, because even if the exam is done properly I can see where doing it 32 or 64 or even 16 times could cause swelling, if there is any prior injury or lingering abnormality. I would not want my knees or ankles to be manipulated to the limits of ROM that much.

I'm really surprised we don't see more DTs on there. Question: what school is "USU"? EDIT: NVM, I saw it's "Utah State University" But...but...but.. Creed Humphrey..........😥 Was that your fault? Did you bar the door?

Goodness, I do hope your "deep throat" has larangitis An RB who wiill be almost 34 when the season begins?

It's 4 pm ET on the Monday following the NFL draft

Wow, this is a pretty durn good roster forecast right out of the draft. Historically last 2 seasons, Bills roster has broken down as follows 2022 QB 2, RB 4, FB 1, WR 6, TE 3, OL 9, DL 9, LB 6, CB 6 S 4 ST 3 2021 QB 2 RB 4, FB1 WR 7, TE 2, OL 9 DL 10 LB 6, CB 5 S 4 ST 3 So we've carried 7 WR before, but it was at the expense of only 2 TE which I think bit us in the buttocks when Knox broke his hand Whether we'd do it at the expense of an RB - given that Hines is kind of like a quasi receiver - I don't know. I guess it would depend on how much confidence we have in Gilliam in the RB role a fullback sometimes has? Re your last 2 spots: -Unless something very unexpected happens, I think you can lock Klein into a roster spot this year. I think this because when pushed a bit about MLB in his post draft presser, Beane said something to the effect "we have a guy on the roster we know can do it, AJ Klein". -If the rules of the previous 3 seasons remain, teams get a benefit of having 8 OLmen active on game day, of being able to have 48 active players instead of 46. So I don't see the Bills carrying less than 9 OLmen on the active roster, because with dings or injuries it's going to be hard to field 8 active OLmen with only 8 on the roster. Re some guys you put on the roster: -I'm pretty confident Doyle, who tore his ACL in the 1st Miami game on September 25th, is going to start the season on PUP. And I haven't seen anything out of Doyle that says to me he's better than Quessenberry at swing tackle. So barring Edwards just playing his ass off at OT, or acquiring someone better, I think Quessenberry is a lock.

Ohmygod, that's horrible! The loss of a child is an unimaginable tragedy.

Neither, apparently, does "ProFootballDoc" David Chao, though he did shed some light on the examination process and why soreness or swelling might be a result (spoiler: too many doctors examining a preexisting injury)