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Brown had more than "some ugly moments" in pass protection. Bottom line Q for @TheBeaneBandit: Do you think our OL is good enough as presently constituted, with Brown at RT and Quessenberry as the backup/swing? There are two errors when it comes to young players: Type I or rejecting the assessment that the player is good and should be kept, when he actually is or can be; Type II or accepting the hypothesis that the player is good and keeping him on the roster/counting on him as a starter, when he's actually not. Wyatt Teller, and possibly Isaiah Hodgins, are examples of the Type I error. In both cases there were alternatives on the roster at the time who were seen as better "fits" for the Bills needs at the time (more versatile/could play center or ST). Cody Ford was an example of a Type II error. We drafted him in the 2nd round and gave him 3 full years to show he deserved it, to the detriment of the OL. He had injuries - torn meniscus, shoulder injury, high ankle sprain. "He didn't have a full off season to strengthen and train" was the refrain going into his 2nd and 3rd years. And that may be, but the bottom line is, when a guy is on your team 2 years and has repeated injuries that limit his play, maybe the limited level of play you see is what you're gonna get. Football is a brutal game and injuries do play a role in lowering the level some guys could otherwise reach. But at the same time, we had alternatives on the roster who could play RT and IOL at an acceptable level, behind him. Right now I think Spencer Brown is a Type II error, a player we are keeping/counting on, except that right now we don't have anyone behind him who could start.

No, thank you. The respectful sign-off is an inducement to spend effort in discussion with you - NOT. PS in case you weren't able to pay attention to the entire game, we scored 19 and lost our first game to Miami by 2 points, then won the next 2 games by 3 points each. We scored 17 and lost our first game with the Jets by 3 points, then scored 20 in the 2nd game and won. I call that "struggling", you can call it whatever you like.

True. But also true that it’s not clear Beasley is that player any more. I admire his belief in himself, though.

Well……Beasley assured us a couple years ago that his family is already well taken care of for life, so the money didn’t matter to him And I have no reason to doubt him. Spotrac puts his career earnings at $38.8M. He’s already earned the kind of money that, properly managed, can build generational wealth for a family. But, I do tend to believe that if Beasley were offered what he likely sees as “fair” compensation he would tend to find the team more interesting regardless of W-L record and city. After all, he joined the Bills when they had been a 6-10 team the previous season, with a high-ceiling low-floor QB in his 2nd year. I’m sure he liked what heard about the team’s plans, but I’m also sure the contract he was offered had a lot of influence.

I was thinking DL myself

Not to mention guys tend to stand in front of lockers with their names on 'em Unless the Dolphins took those nameplates down to maintain building security LOL

Now this is something I agree with. Knox led the team in catch % (>10 targets). He had the 2nd drop % of receivers on the team (after Diggs). He had 10.8 Y/R To me, it is only logical: we need to get Knox more involved. On the other hand, this sounds like a "You" problem

You sure you want to play that card, after trotting out "Vive le France"? There's no more faith in thee than a stewed prune. Away, thou tedious rogue!

La France No, we traded up 😈

Oh, More Than.

It is a problem if Dorsey is crafting an offense that depends critically upon the contributions of the slot. But the idea is you take your team into training camp, not you have it assembled prior to the draft. I also think the Bills personnel decisions indicate a desire to get more pass catching production from the RB position. In the dating world, you can say "just because I'm not dating doesn't mean no one wants me". But, if you only consider dating women who are "10s" on your scale, have 6 figure incomes, consider the housekeeping and cooking to be their responsibility, and don't want kids, functionally it may be a distinction without a difference. It seems like a subset of "Beasley valuing himself above the value other teams have on him" to me.

Yeah, it's a valid point that if we have 2 RBs on the field, by jinks we might want to run the ball. The overarching goal, though, is to create confusion in the opponent's mind as to what the offense will do. In theory, if the opponent is defending against a vertical threat as well as short quick passes to a receiver with serious YAC potential, it ought to open up the running game even if the OL is not made up of road graders. You're correct that I share your point that the O-line needs improvement, and that it's not clear to me we've improved it enough by the addition of Connor McGovern and 2 other IOL. I share the concern of others that Spencer Brown may not, in fact, be capable of playing RT at a high level in the NFL and that the Bills may be reprising the Cody Ford error of giving a drafted OLman 3 years of "rope" to develop. We really need to quit that; we're at a point where we have to have someone better than Quessenberry waiting in the wings in case Brown fails to take that step (IMO).

Can we at least agree that no one, in the first month of FA, has wanted Beasley, or wanted him at a salary he is willing to accept? At this same point in FA, -10 FA WR have signed for $2M-$5M AAV -27 FA WR have signed vet minimum type contracts (under $2M) That would make 37 FA wide receivers at a reasonably economical price-point, who teams have signed in preference to Cole Beasley Either Beasley has valued himself above the value that other teams place on him OR The market has spoken and 32 teams value 37 WR more than Beasley Sure, that doesn't mean that Beasley won't eventually sign somewhere else, due to injuries; teams not getting what they want in the draft; or Beasley changing the price-point he puts on his services. Meanwhile, both the WR the Bills moved on from (Crowder and McKenzie) have signed with new teams, albeit for what appear to be VSB (veteran salary benefit) contracts - McKenzie for 1/3 of his contract guaranteed.

Let's put it another way. If the Bills are NOT going in that direction, then they are making foolish player personnel choices in Cook, Hines and Harty. I'm not sure you need a more solid OL for quick dump-offs or short slot-type routes that are commonly run by RBs though - little flat, pivot, angle, and swing routes. I thought part of the point of these was to have quick hits available for when the OL gets beaten.

On the current Bills team? In terms of demonstrated performance, Yes. But look at who he'd be beating out - -Harty, who had 2 whole targets last season, and who had 36 receptions for 570 yds in 2021 while playing 13 games -Shakir, who, contrary to the opinion of some fans that he was being "coddled" or unacountably kept off the field for no reason, was given chances to show what he could do and who showed he couldn't read a zone D reliably and get open last season. Some people think he may lack the necessary quickness as a slot, I dunno. -Sherfield, last year by far his best, 30 receptions for 417 yds in 17 games It's possible any or all of them might take a step in this offense with Josh throwing to them, but it's also possible they won't be able to take that step Just as McKenzie wasn't able to take as much of a step as the Bills (and fans) wanted from him. McKenzie still had more receptions and more 1D than any of the current slot candidates.

I'm actually expecting more 21 personnel actually. There really ought to be a reason that the Bills have focused so hard on acquiring RBs who can run routes and catch passes in Cook and Harty All the moves the Bills have made say "we're planning an offense around small fast nimble guys" I'm not sure Dorsey knows how to use a TE effectively, though having Knox chip all the time may be part of it, and Olsen was a big part of the Panthers O when Dorsey was in Carolina.

To be fair to Beasley, that drop-off did coincide with having his ribs broken on Halloween. On the other hand, instead of allowing them to heal, he kept playing and they bothered him all season.

Well, you can, actually. The team usually rosters 6 WR, 5 active on game day. Diggs Davis Shakir Harty - also KR/PR Sherfield - special teams draft pick or vet signed after draft Unless the Bills don't draft a WR (which would piss me off), who do you want to see traded or cut to make room for Beasley? He doesn't want to land on the practice squad, not with his smack talk about "best slot on the team" and with Harty on the books for $3.75M this season

Man only played 5 games. It's nice to see a guy with confidence in himself. He's not wrong that he would be the best slot receiver on the team, but right now the only slot receiver on the team is Khalil Shakir, and the draft/post draft FA moves haven't started yet.

Huh. If you remember attending and winning 3 AFC championship games, do you remember that Kelly's 1st 3 years with the Bills were 4-12, then 7-8, then 12-4 with high expectations and LOST the AFC championship, then 9-7 on a team that had been expected to contend for the AFC Championship again but LOST in the divisional round? So basically you're upset with a year in which we lost in the divisional round again, but this time after a 13-3 season where we lost our defensive star at Thanksgiving?

I think a better way to put it is Beane is willing to move around, but overall he wants to keep his picks. It likely factored in that the Bills had already traded up for Elam. Beane wanted to get a bit of draft capital by moving back. He could have stayed pat or traded back in the 1st and drafted Watson, then Cam Taylor-Britt was available in the 2nd. But that's 20-20 hindsight.

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52. The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57. So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round? And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round. So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson? In the 1st instead of Elam? Isn't 3 lbs like, whether or not the guy has chugged a bottle of gatorade and had big meal recently, while waiting to take a dump until after the weigh in?

Whatever gave you the notion that the only players worth drafting in the 1st round are pro bowlers and all pros? Second, whatever gave you the notion that the truly talented 1st round players who become pro bowlers and all pros, are the ones that the likes of Bucky Brooks identifies? The point of the 1st round is you get a chance to draft and sign player on a cost controlled contract for 5 years. If he's a solid starter within 2 years, you win.

I am not lobbying for Flowers. But FWIW, Greg Cosell, who has watched a minute of NFL film, profiled Zay Flowers as a WR he saw as being able to play at "all 3 levels" in the NFL. To the OP, I'll point out that the same argument people make against drafting ILB in the first, applies to some extent to TE. The top 10 WR in the league have $20-$30M/yr AAV contracts. The top 2 TE in the league have contracts over $15M AAV, Kelce is $14.3M, then it tails off down to $10 Even Engram at $11M By the way of the top 10 salary TE in AAV, only two (Njoku and Engram) were drafted in the 1st round.

Eating the whole bag at one go is another solution "Friends don't let friends do chains"