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I don't understand this at all - can someone explain it to me, using small words? What does our running back room look like after this signing? How are the various backs used and who is game-day active?

Some teams like to mess around with their UDFA - they bring them in, then if they sign a vet, they cut them. I think Beane likes to leave some open spots so that if he signs a vet FA or makes a trade, he doesn't need to cut anyone.

I believe he went back to playing Rugby and is having success

I don't know, but honestly, I don't see the value in speculating like that. It's basically looking to see if one can point the finger at the parents while they deal with tragedy. If there are older kids running in and out of the pool, I know it's all too easy for the gate to be left open or not firmly latched and a toddler to toddle in. Nothing happened when I saw this but it could have. I do see value in pointing out that all pools should be fenced and the fence kept locked, to minimize the chances.

That's the law in most cities in the US as well, but of course the presence of fencing and a gate does not mean the gate will be properly closed and latched 100%, or that an athletic 2 yr old won't figure out how to get over the fence and into trouble.

Huh? The deadline is ET - so the W coast teams start at the same time, it's just earlier on the clock for them.

I think, their reasoning was somewhat along the lines of what we've seen in Allen's early years - that a truly elite, MVP of the league level QB can operate an offense with an average OL and average receivers, and elevate it to playoff contention. So they were focused on building a defense. Haven't we kind of seen that here? Hopefully it's changing. Now I think they figure if they're going to figure out whether Love has it, they need to put pieces around him. No. No, you do NOT need to say that.

After watching the NFL Doc thing I linked above, that may pretty well be what it is - not necessarily "improperly", but apparently the medical exams include each team's doctors manipulating various injured and formerly injured joints to test their ROM and any points of tenderness. He mentioned up to 64 doctors (2 from each team) and I sure hope that's changed, because even if the exam is done properly I can see where doing it 32 or 64 or even 16 times could cause swelling, if there is any prior injury or lingering abnormality. I would not want my knees or ankles to be manipulated to the limits of ROM that much.

I'm really surprised we don't see more DTs on there. Question: what school is "USU"? EDIT: NVM, I saw it's "Utah State University" But...but...but.. Creed Humphrey..........😥 Was that your fault? Did you bar the door?

Goodness, I do hope your "deep throat" has larangitis An RB who wiill be almost 34 when the season begins?

It's 4 pm ET on the Monday following the NFL draft

Wow, this is a pretty durn good roster forecast right out of the draft. Historically last 2 seasons, Bills roster has broken down as follows 2022 QB 2, RB 4, FB 1, WR 6, TE 3, OL 9, DL 9, LB 6, CB 6 S 4 ST 3 2021 QB 2 RB 4, FB1 WR 7, TE 2, OL 9 DL 10 LB 6, CB 5 S 4 ST 3 So we've carried 7 WR before, but it was at the expense of only 2 TE which I think bit us in the buttocks when Knox broke his hand Whether we'd do it at the expense of an RB - given that Hines is kind of like a quasi receiver - I don't know. I guess it would depend on how much confidence we have in Gilliam in the RB role a fullback sometimes has? Re your last 2 spots: -Unless something very unexpected happens, I think you can lock Klein into a roster spot this year. I think this because when pushed a bit about MLB in his post draft presser, Beane said something to the effect "we have a guy on the roster we know can do it, AJ Klein". -If the rules of the previous 3 seasons remain, teams get a benefit of having 8 OLmen active on game day, of being able to have 48 active players instead of 46. So I don't see the Bills carrying less than 9 OLmen on the active roster, because with dings or injuries it's going to be hard to field 8 active OLmen with only 8 on the roster. Re some guys you put on the roster: -I'm pretty confident Doyle, who tore his ACL in the 1st Miami game on September 25th, is going to start the season on PUP. And I haven't seen anything out of Doyle that says to me he's better than Quessenberry at swing tackle. So barring Edwards just playing his ass off at OT, or acquiring someone better, I think Quessenberry is a lock.

Ohmygod, that's horrible! The loss of a child is an unimaginable tragedy.

Neither, apparently, does "ProFootballDoc" David Chao, though he did shed some light on the examination process and why soreness or swelling might be a result (spoiler: too many doctors examining a preexisting injury)

More on this from "ProFootballDoc" David Chao, who speaks about how there is "tolerance testing" in the sense of moving joints through a range of motion and asking if the athlete is experiencing pain, tingling, or numbness, but not "pain tolerance", more "is the joint able to move normally through a full ROM?" Chao does point out that Tyler Kroft came into the combine 6 weeks out from a high ankle sprain and evidently, too many doctors from too many teams examined it so he complained of soreness and swelling the next day....but this was a player with an "underlying pre-existing issue". He says he finds it hard to understand how a player with no underlying or pre-existing issue would experience soreness from the physical exam. Now personally, if I had 32 or 64 physicians examining any joint on my body I think I'd be hella sore the next day - I think the NFL should limit it to, say, 3 physicians who share results - but then I'm not a fit dude in my early 20s trying to win a $1M/yr job.

Apparently the Pain Tolerance Test, if there is one, is like "fight club": "Don't talk about Fight Club" https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/pain-tolerance-test-nfl-draft-combine-ian-rapoport-tweet-01gtt5ja8y9h

The Bills will report them when they're signed The agents like to report them when the team calls up and says "we'd like to offer your guy a contract, is he interested?" and the agents says "sure, Thanks". But until it's inked, the deal isn't done and the Bills won't report it.

So he must mean "May" LOL. A rookie minicamp invite is different than a signing. It's basically an audition, the guy signs various wavers in return for stipend money for travel, plus food and lodging, and he comes in to show the team what he can do. If they like him, they'll offer him an UDFA contract. So no reason he can't do multiple camps, except if the Ravens like him and offer him a contract he'll call the Bills and cancel.

I don't think it's true that Gronk was Brady's #1 target either in NE or in Tampa.....maybe 1 year when I think his top receivers were injured. It was always Welker, then Edelman and Cooks. Kelce has been KC's #1 target all but 1 year that Mahomes has played Ertz was not the top target during the Eagles SB run, not until the two years after when Carson Wentz went after him like a bar stalker chasing Megan Trainor and the Eagles offense suffered for it. What these guys were, was the pressure valve, the guy who was always finding the seams in zone or beating man to give the QB a safe throw to move the chains. The big question to me isn't whether the Bills "shift their philosophy on offense". I think that's a "no, and yes" question. No, in that Diggs will still be the #1 receiver and they will still be cultivating vertical threats downfield, but trying to re-gain trust in those the middle of the field chain-movers Josh and Beasley did in their sleep. Yes, in that they'll be doing it technically in a 12 set, but it will really be a 11 set with Kincaid as a "big slot".

You did not appear to be making performative comparisons. You stated "have only one 1T on the roster. " My point is that you are incorrect. If you write something in plain English which is incorrect, don't get huffy when the error is brought to your attention. I do think Settle was trying to play through a torn calf muscle last season, but I would agree his results were not what we'd like to see and missing DaQuan was a factor in the Bengals loss. My point about Oliver is that people like to toss around terms like "too small" or "undersized" without actually looking up the size of top players at that position. Oliver may be uneven in his performance, but I'm gonna bet if you listed the top 10 3T DT it would be found that Oliver is closer to their size than you believe.

I don't have the energy to research how Ed Oliver compares to 3T around the league, but Jordan Phillips styles himself "BigJ9797" for a reason, and he did play just short of half the snaps in 12 games. And Aaron Donald is 6'1" and 280, not saying Big Ed is AD but it certainly can be done at that size. As for only one 1T on the roster, "who is Tim Settle?"

Don't hold your breath on Matakevich since we just re-signed him, and he's pretty established as the ST tonesetter and captain until someone unseats him. But I think you're correct that Jones and Kumerow and Jaquan Johnson are gone, in favor of Trent Sherfield (who can actually play WR), Zayne Anderson, and maybe 1 of our 2 new rookie WR Beane has been pretty clear on the point that if you aren't starting on the Bills, you need to play ST.

That's actually really good to know about how well PS players are treated. I have heard it varies from team to team, the biggest issue being availability of short-term housing in cities with tight and expensive housing markets (since PS guys can be signed to a roster across the country or released at any time). I've heard that some of the best teams provide subsidized, furnished apartments and also encourage their position groups to take PS guys "under their wing" and offer them rooms, while others are more like "good luck, don't get hurt"

To your second sentence - I don't think we hear pro scouting voices at all. They keep their work confidential. What we can see, is that different teams clearly diverge in their talent evaluation. I think that's evidence that, at least in the first rounds, teams are NOT mimicing one another. For initial evaluations, 27 teams use the BLESTO or National scouting services, so the scouting reports they receive are literally the same. And they may not get too far beyond this for players in the later rounds. Beane has a staff of 18 and in addition, they may hire football-knowledgeable people (former college players and coaches) to prepare initial scouting evaluations. (We have a couple guys who have done that, on this board) They start in early fall going to games and evaluating tape. So yeah, they do literally put months of work in. It's up to Beane and (I think) Malik Boyd to make sure they hire and train their scouts to evaluate players the same way. By the way, IMO Whaley was a pretty good talent evaluator. Where he failed as a GM was 1) not being savvy about the salary cap/business end 2) having a revolving door of coaches for whom he had to acquire very different players with very different skill sets, forcing him to draft for need. Trivia point: Belichick's father literally "wrote the book" on scouting football players. I'm not gonna go into my opinion of him as GM, way off topic I don't mind looking at your analysis of Kincaid, but to weight it, would you mind sharing your credentials and experience? Because if you're asking me to weight you above Lance Zierlein and Greg Cosell I need something to work with - not saying Zierlein is infalliable, but when I go back to his scouting reports after a player has been in the league 2-3 years I find myself nodding. I went into that in the "Analyzinig 10 years of first round TE production thread. Scroll down, at the bottom.

I would not have been just as happy with Mayer. I saw a big unfilled need on the Bills as a slot receiver - a skilled route runner able to find the gaps in zone coverage and get open as an outlet. Beasley, before the draft, had a point that if he joined the Bills he would have been the best slot receiver as far as demonstrated ability (at that time) I thought the lack of a slot Josh trusted in that regard allowed teams to clamp down on Diggs and Davis I would have liked a 1st round WR, but given we couldn't make a reasonable trade-up into the territory that would let us draft a guy we had a 1st round grade on (Addison, reportedly), the reports on Kincaid and what Beane says about how they'll use him makes him seem as though he can potentially fill that need. The reports on Mayer don't seem as though he can potentially fill that need without a good bit of development time.