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I know, right? Plus right now Reid is the avatar for "Great superbowl winning coach". Won Superbowl in Mahomes 3rd year (2nd as starter) That's all well and good, but the QB, while a key part, is only one part of the team. Reid had 7 years in KC to put the team together. And that's not going into Reid's years as HC in Philly. 13 years with 1 AFC championship to show for it. What's my point: 1) maybe McD has it in him, maybe he doesn't. With other coaches, like Reid, they haven't had it in him...until they do 2) sometimes change is good, but sometimes change just establishes a Coaching Carousel and a cycle of futility

I'm a little concerned about this manure-fetching situation. Are you engaged in marketing a novel type of health baths and facials, or are you using it on your garden and fields? If the latter, are you monitoring it for contamination with pyridine carboxylic acid herbicides? I'm concerned for your soil. Your shoes and your shovel should not be of issue. Mmm yes well. Good point there.

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Hi John! Good to see you. Any chance you'd be willing to Spill that Tea now about the issue to which you alluded last fall? Nah, I'll speak up. Wawrow is a good journalist in my book. Good sources, puts information together to craft clear stories. Has to be. AP is a bastion of journalistic standards in an increasingly broad sea of slop Graham has always written very good feature pieces. I dislike his Twitter jousting with fans and his attitude of "thou must not criticize moi thou lowly peon" when he was here, and don't think either reflects well on him, but he still writes very good feature pieces.

Good point. If a team had actually had discussions with Daboll about his willingness to leave Buffalo to take an OC position elsewhere such that they KNEW he would be willing to do so..... That Would Be Tampering, I do believe.

So would you say, you're an EXPERT at MS Paint now?

Really good write up, Thank you for doing this! I'm going to pick out a few points to respond to. First of all, I think there are several factors to consider you don't mention. One is coaching. HC: McDermott is starting to lose a number of the fans because of 13 seconds, Bungle vs. the Bengals, and now Diggsgate. The unknown question is, to what degree has he kept or lost the locker room? I think he has the well-earned loyalty of a number of vets. Overall, do guys still "Trust the Process" and does he still have their respect? How do the new faces take all this? Unknown to us fans. McDermott stood to lose the locker room at several previous points, for example, when he benched Tyrod Taylor for Nate Peterman. He kept it by being willing to stand up and say "I made a mistake". I think the players will actually respect McDermott for defending Diggs and saying that Diggs was given permission and untrue and unfair stuff is being said, and will pull together against pundits ripping into him. But who knows. DC: Are we better with McDermott as DC than Frazier? I'm going to be a Tolkien elf here and say "No and Yes". I think McDermott will be more aggressive and more willing to make changes during a game than Frazier was. And I think he'll be able to focus less on D during games than Frazier could. Last, are there "too many cooks" trying to guide the defense? Overall I'll say worse off, but the question is, will we get to a place where it counts and when we do, will we be better then? OC: Dorsey is the big unknown. Will he be better in his 2nd year? Most people have that potential in their 2nd year on the job. I think it took Daboll 3 years here to really click, though. We'll see. There's still the "too many cooks" question on offense, too, with Shula, Brady, and Dorsey all trying to work together, then Kelly Skipper in the mix somewhere. Another is team psychology. Is the team pissed off and ready to prove they've got it in 2023? Or are they scarred by the Bungle with the Bengals and 13 seconds? Beane has turned over about 1/3 of the 90 man roster, which is typical. He's moved on from 12 FA and cut Isaiah McKenzie. Has he moved on from the right guys? Time will tell. Now, to your post. I agree that overall the defense will likely be worse. The Eagles were 8th, the Chiefs 16th in PA on D. The Bengals were 17th, the Rams 15th. If we can manage to keep our D in the top half of the league and pull out all the stops against the best teams, we can be competitive. Remember in 2020 when we played for the Championship, we were 16th on points, 14th on yards. We can get where we want to go with a D that's just good, not great, provided we don't have key injuries. Linebacker - I don't think it's a sho-in that Edmunds is being replaced by Klein. I think they have hopes for Terrell Bernard in his 2nd season, and they also like Dodson. I think when the dust settles, Williams will turn out to be the best of the lot. Safety - I like what they did with safety. The aging Hyde and Poyer are backstopped with Damar (if he can come back all the way, he showed he can play) and Rapp, who played on a championship team. Another topic but tying it in here - for those who believe Frazier was driven out or kicked to the curb, I think Frazier knew after the Jan meetings, the Bills weren't going to have the player personnel to field a top-3 defense again this season. There was going to need to be MORE work put in and MORE adjustments to try for capable D without a strong MLB. I think Frazier looked at that and said "how am I gonna compete for a HC job when my D plummets from 1st or 2nd to 17th, when I couldn't get looks as the guy leading the #1 or #2 D?" and decided he needed to try a different approach. I think Keenum had a vet knowledge of defense that Kyle Allen can't match. Kyle Allen has been able to play at times, more recently than Keenum put up good play. What I don't know is if either Barkley or Kyle Allen can help to rein Josh in. I think they are both too much "off season friends and buddies" there. So can the coaches rein him in as necessary? I don't know. Overall I agree, "push". I like the changes the Bills made at WR. I feel Trent Sherfield has the potential to be as good on ST as Kumerow and a proven better actual WR. I think Shakir was showing signs he was starting to "get it" last season. IF he stays healthy, I think Hardy has a floor ~McKenzie and a ceiling to be more. At the risk of sounding weird, the real question at WR is in the TE room. Kincaid was actually drafted to be a slot type receiver. Can he return the offense to potency over the middle of the field? Can he fill at least part of the role Beasley used to fill? We Shall See. I like what Beane did with the roster, overall. Overall, I think at the end of the day, he can't resist putting more resources into D than O with all the late adds in FA on D, so I'm worried he hasn't done enough at WR. But, that is a position that depends upon interaction with the QB to be effective so I suppose you can't add too many mouths to feed. I really think the questionmarks for the Bills are mental and emotional, not football skill and ability. Are they still a hungry team? I thought they began to believe their own PR a bit at times last year and 2021 and were kind of coasting through the season to grab their chance in the playoffs. Has that been addressed? And perhaps most key, do the coaches still have the locker room?

Of course you don't, but I'm not gonna get sucked in to trying to explain to you.

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You simply can never resist taking a shot, which is why I must defer to your intimate familiarity with "hater points". You would, indeed, know all about that!

Everyone knows Daboll was looking to move on from his current team - as a HC. It's entirely plausible that there was conflict with McDermott - McDermott pretty much made that clear in pressers at times. I believe at the time this came out, an NFL executive was quoted as saying "that's not uncommon". When it shows up as part of a recruiting pitch made to a HC candidate as part of a lawsuit about "sham" interviews, why do you find it credible as evidence that Daboll was actually looking to make a lateral move? It's not that the director of pro personnel wouldn't be plugged in and have sources, it's the context of what was said when and to whom. Edit: to anyone sensible and wanting actual discussion to whom this isn't clear: recruiters can be known to play a little fast and loose with the truth in the cause of landing their guy. If McDonnell, the Giants co-director of player personnel (not director of personnel) was trying to persuade Flores to come on a sham interview for HC thus helping them look like they're seriously considering several minority candidates (but Flores isn't someone they actually would hire), McDonnell can say what he likes because he stands ZERO chance of being asked to deliver on those "mights" about recruiting Daboll as Flores OC. And even if they were serious about considering Flores - "might be interested" "might be able to get out" is hardly definitive proof that Daboll was seriously looking at lateral positions. And McDonnell is well protected by all those "mights": "Never said he was looking for a lateral move, only thought he MIGHT be, seems he wasn't."

Yeah, you're right, that one seems to be new.

I know what he said. My point is Wawrow moved on because he wanted to. That thread was nothing particularly abusive of him or out of the way, and I’d know, for reals.

This is from Facebook and the comments on it are Gold. https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=802456134574073&set=pcb.802457531240600

Wait, mrags is actually...Darryl Talley? Has anyone seen them both in the same place at the same time?

1) Diggs quoted someone else's Tweet or Insta verbatim 2) I would take McKenzie's word that when Diggs posts on social media, don't take it seriously, he posts all kinds of stuff. Same kind who goes by the screen name "Einstein" - A Genius in France a la Weird Al!

Posters didn't "beat Wawrow off the board". Posters raised the legit question why make the tweet he did, if he wasn't going to spill the tea? It seems like LAMP behavior. Wawrow took his ball and went home in response. Believe me, it was featherweight in comparison to some of the debates he's been in around here. When it comes to a battle of wits (and words) he is hardly un-armed. Edit: to be clear, I wish Wawrow were still around, and I wish he had "spilt the tea", but it's his choice both ways.

This *****in' Thread. We've had literally, ***** apple pie. Now we have Augie wanting to be ***** pornhub. What's next?

It was said (one of the NFL insiders, probably getting his info from Bakari who got it from Diggs) to involve Beane, McDermott, Diggs, and Henry (WR coach) - NOT Dorsey. Henry makes sense because the position coach always wants to be involved to run interference for or protect "his guy" meeting with the HC, and be in the loop. Dorsey not being involved if the beef involved the offense as a whole, makes no sense at all - if true, it's Not Good. If I were to speculate, my speculation is that it involved beef on both sides. I think McDermott has beefs about how Diggs has handled himself on the sidelines and in the locker room at times during and after some games. I think Diggs may have beefs about lack of communication from McDermott about what will be done differently this season to achieve a different outcome, or possibly input about what he thinks should be done differently. All these guys have egos, as Darryl Talley said "if you don't have an ego you have no business on the field", so it's not surprised that things could get kind of loud. Oh, just tell us....some of us don't follow Twitter enough to see what he "likes"

It's heading into the deepest lull of the off season. Cowherd and Schein have to get all fluffed up about something. Especially if you divorce the "very concerned" comment from the context that it was a direct response to a reporter asking him a direct question "how concerned are you....." it's good fluffing material.

How was this known? It was alleged in Brian Flores lawsuit against the league for racist HC hiring that "Ironically, during their January 11, 2022, text exchange, Mr. McDonnell also suggested that if Mr. Flores were hired as the Giants Head Coach, Brian Daboll might be interested in leaving Buffalo to serve as his Offensive Coordinator (“Heard Daboll isn’t happy with Sean [McDermott] in Buffalo . . . might be able to get of if he doesn’t get a head job. . . thoughts?'”). Got anything else? McDonnell is then Giants co-director of player personnel. "Might be interested". "Might be able to get out" "heard he isn't happy..." isn't exactly definitive. Flores alleges that the Giants engaged in a sham interview where they intended all along to hire Daboll, so make of that what you will. Companies recruiting a guy have been known to put all sorts of pitches out there. If they really don't intend to hire, they can say whatever, because they won't be asked to deliver. I'm sure it's true that there was friction between Daboll and McDermott. McDermott wasn't quiet about wanting more run game and less wear and tear on Josh Allen. I'm sure it was brought up in private 10x for every 1-2 times it made it to McDermott's post-game pressers. Whether that friction was anything out of the ordinary that would have led to taking a lateral move, I can't tell. Nor can anyone; Daboll DID get a HC job.

Right, but that's fan opinion. Is it true, is it not true? The fans on this board and the WGR call-ins don't know. There's probably a certain element of truth in that pro football is a performance-based business. While I loved what Ty Dunne wrote while he was with TBN, it should be noted that he's now trying to make a living now with his own subscription website. And one way to solicit subscriptions is to generate controversy and clicks. Towards that end, he initially featured disgruntled former Bills director of player personnel Jim Monos in a bunch of his early podcasts and writings. Just bear in mind that generating controversy and clicks is how he has to do business now. I think it's notable that, regarding accountability, former Bill 'Zo Alexander said basically, that for certain, "the players know...the players will handle it." I think a person can second-guess the apparent decision to not throw some players or coaches under the bus to the whole team, or take more blame himself in a different way. It's seldom been McDermott's MO to throw someone under the bus publicly. I don't think Heath Farwell left voluntarily. I think he was "voluntold". Perhaps Farwell should have spent less time arguing for a squib kick with McDermott and more time getting his people lined up? I'm quite certain McDermott had input into the final defensive play calls. There were a number of other players who the team quietly moved on from, including Levi Wallace. Wallace, in case one missed it, basically admitted in an interview after joining the Pittsburgh Steelers that he had lined up out of position and didn't use his usual cues of looking to one of the safeties to check where he should align. I think if you look around the league, McDermott has not cycled through an unusual number of assistant coaches. It's hardly news that people in the organization would voice displeasure towards the HC after a dispiriting loss.

Tough break for the kid. Late round pick, of the Vikes I think, was on our PS last season.

If you're correct, then I find it problematic that the meetings were evidently between Beane, McDermott, Adam Henry, and Diggs. That would not be healthy.

It varies according to what affords you amusement and your personal self-restraint to not get "sucked in". I typically come here for football discussion, so missing the trite and repetitive opinions of a few folks takes little away from me. On the chance they say something football relevant and insightful, someone will undoubtedly quote it so I won't miss it. And I'm far less likely to get "sucked in".