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This *****in' Thread. We've had literally, ***** apple pie. Now we have Augie wanting to be ***** pornhub. What's next?

It was said (one of the NFL insiders, probably getting his info from Bakari who got it from Diggs) to involve Beane, McDermott, Diggs, and Henry (WR coach) - NOT Dorsey. Henry makes sense because the position coach always wants to be involved to run interference for or protect "his guy" meeting with the HC, and be in the loop. Dorsey not being involved if the beef involved the offense as a whole, makes no sense at all - if true, it's Not Good. If I were to speculate, my speculation is that it involved beef on both sides. I think McDermott has beefs about how Diggs has handled himself on the sidelines and in the locker room at times during and after some games. I think Diggs may have beefs about lack of communication from McDermott about what will be done differently this season to achieve a different outcome, or possibly input about what he thinks should be done differently. All these guys have egos, as Darryl Talley said "if you don't have an ego you have no business on the field", so it's not surprised that things could get kind of loud. Oh, just tell us....some of us don't follow Twitter enough to see what he "likes"

It's heading into the deepest lull of the off season. Cowherd and Schein have to get all fluffed up about something. Especially if you divorce the "very concerned" comment from the context that it was a direct response to a reporter asking him a direct question "how concerned are you....." it's good fluffing material.

How was this known? It was alleged in Brian Flores lawsuit against the league for racist HC hiring that "Ironically, during their January 11, 2022, text exchange, Mr. McDonnell also suggested that if Mr. Flores were hired as the Giants Head Coach, Brian Daboll might be interested in leaving Buffalo to serve as his Offensive Coordinator (“Heard Daboll isn’t happy with Sean [McDermott] in Buffalo . . . might be able to get of if he doesn’t get a head job. . . thoughts?'”). Got anything else? McDonnell is then Giants co-director of player personnel. "Might be interested". "Might be able to get out" "heard he isn't happy..." isn't exactly definitive. Flores alleges that the Giants engaged in a sham interview where they intended all along to hire Daboll, so make of that what you will. Companies recruiting a guy have been known to put all sorts of pitches out there. If they really don't intend to hire, they can say whatever, because they won't be asked to deliver. I'm sure it's true that there was friction between Daboll and McDermott. McDermott wasn't quiet about wanting more run game and less wear and tear on Josh Allen. I'm sure it was brought up in private 10x for every 1-2 times it made it to McDermott's post-game pressers. Whether that friction was anything out of the ordinary that would have led to taking a lateral move, I can't tell. Nor can anyone; Daboll DID get a HC job.

Right, but that's fan opinion. Is it true, is it not true? The fans on this board and the WGR call-ins don't know. There's probably a certain element of truth in that pro football is a performance-based business. While I loved what Ty Dunne wrote while he was with TBN, it should be noted that he's now trying to make a living now with his own subscription website. And one way to solicit subscriptions is to generate controversy and clicks. Towards that end, he initially featured disgruntled former Bills director of player personnel Jim Monos in a bunch of his early podcasts and writings. Just bear in mind that generating controversy and clicks is how he has to do business now. I think it's notable that, regarding accountability, former Bill 'Zo Alexander said basically, that for certain, "the players know...the players will handle it." I think a person can second-guess the apparent decision to not throw some players or coaches under the bus to the whole team, or take more blame himself in a different way. It's seldom been McDermott's MO to throw someone under the bus publicly. I don't think Heath Farwell left voluntarily. I think he was "voluntold". Perhaps Farwell should have spent less time arguing for a squib kick with McDermott and more time getting his people lined up? I'm quite certain McDermott had input into the final defensive play calls. There were a number of other players who the team quietly moved on from, including Levi Wallace. Wallace, in case one missed it, basically admitted in an interview after joining the Pittsburgh Steelers that he had lined up out of position and didn't use his usual cues of looking to one of the safeties to check where he should align. I think if you look around the league, McDermott has not cycled through an unusual number of assistant coaches. It's hardly news that people in the organization would voice displeasure towards the HC after a dispiriting loss.

Tough break for the kid. Late round pick, of the Vikes I think, was on our PS last season.

If you're correct, then I find it problematic that the meetings were evidently between Beane, McDermott, Adam Henry, and Diggs. That would not be healthy.

It varies according to what affords you amusement and your personal self-restraint to not get "sucked in". I typically come here for football discussion, so missing the trite and repetitive opinions of a few folks takes little away from me. On the chance they say something football relevant and insightful, someone will undoubtedly quote it so I won't miss it. And I'm far less likely to get "sucked in".

I believe Lao Tsu may have relevant input here: “Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” For some reason this also seemed relevant to me: PS trivia: that song is about Bob Hope but musically intended as a tribute to Frank Zappa. His son Dweezil laid down the guitar licks for it.

I personally find that the quality of the board is enhanced, not diminished, by the judicious use of the "ignore" feature. Just sayin'.

Who the hell is this guy when he's not predicting that "Sam Darnold's 49ers" top Jets in Superbowl"???

That's actually pretty much one interpretation of what "NostraIsaiah" said. My take homes: 1) Don't take anything Diggs puts on social media too seriously, it's just "Stef being Stef" 2) If he actually says it in person, whether on a show or in an interview or in the Bills facility, he means it 3) Complete respect for Diggs play on the field 4) What he says on the sidelines (presumably in the locker room or meetings), sometimes he's just "getting it off his chest"; 80-90% of the time he might have a good point but 10-20% of the time he's "out there" (trippin) in his viewpoint and needs to be reined in. "We let him talk, but not too much"

Whatever one thinks about McKenzie as a WR, it seems pretty clear that he had become fairly tight with Diggs - would sit on the bench with him during games at times, said on Monday that he talked to Diggs after the Cincy playoff game.

The "you'd be surprised" comment was in response to this from Cover1's Aaron Quinn, in case anyone needs context. Good question: My guess would be McDermott, Beane, the WR coach, and Diggs were in a meeting where things got heated. McDermott may have said "We need to take a break. Let's step away, and we'll get back to this later" McDermott is thinking "step away from the meeting, see you at practice" Diggs is thinking "step away from the facility, go be in my own space doing my own thing" McDermott is told right before his presser that Diggs left the building and told someone he wasn't practicing today on the way out. McDermott is "very concerned" because that's not what he expected to happen; maybe Stef is more riled up or there are bigger problems than he thought and now he's got a PR problem with the 89 guys who are there. Bakari alerts on it and decides he needs to step in and earn his pay and get things settled down, so the comment works. Diggs talks some more, It all gets worked out (for now) and McDermott takes the fall for what happened. He's speaking his truth - he did say let's take a break and step away. He's just not speaking the whole truth that Diggs may have put a different spin on it than he intended, or that he may have excused Diggs from practice retroactively.

Now I feel I must apologize. My college philosophy class was ... a difficult experience for me. I have not, the philosophic mind.

This is actually one of the most insightful commentaries applicable to this situation that I've seen. Thank you for sharing that.

Not a full transcript, but a lot of quotes here: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/sean-mcdermott-says-team-is-in-a-great-spot-with-stefon-diggs-as-bills-wr-return 'course, it's put out by the Bills so maybe the guy who put it together is lying? The problem with that is: if we don't accept the premise that leaders in the Bills organization and players are generally speaking their truth (truth as they understand it), we quickly come to a place where discussion or meaningful debate are impossible. Each person's beliefs become, essentially, articles of religious faith in that there is no way to challenge or refute them. Any evidence refuting them may be dismissed as "he's lying" etc, so only that person and those who think like him have a corner on what's really happening. We might as well all pack up and go home in those circs. I think, if you read it carefully, McDermott told the exact truth. I think he didn't tell the whole truth. (link above)

True, on the 17 game thing. Kelce and Lamb both played 17 games, so I guess on a "targets per game" thing he'd be #4. Actually all the guys ahead of Diggs in targets played 17 games last season. Which brings up an interesting point. Both Jefferson and Adams play >90% of the snaps: 92% for Jefferson, 95% for Adams. Tyreek Hill, 3rd in targets, plays 76% of the snaps. Diggs similar, 77%. Lamb plays 10% more snaps, 87%.

Well, the basis is McDermott saying so as quoted here. Indirect evidence would be Diggs showing up and participating in Day 2. But 1) of course, if one wants to work from the premise that McDermott is lying in everything he says, then sure, there's not much basis. (Clarification: I personally don't believe McDermott lies. I believe he speaks the truth selectively and arranges it artistically at times) 2) if it's an interpersonal issue, these things have the tendency to re-emerge because people may commit to changing whatever it is, but don't follow through or don't follow through consistently, or they reflect underlying issues so they pop up in a different form

I think so too. I would bet on something like: Diggs stormed out, McDermott learned he'd left the building and stated he wouldn't practice just before his presser and was, not knowing how things were left, legit very concerned (which might be a polite way of saying "annoyed/angry") As a result of that presser statement being tweeted, Bakari became "very concerned" his client would be fined and might be cited for "conduct detrimental" (as well as just setting the tone for a bad relationship with the team he's gotta play for if he wants to play this season). So then apparently Diggs returned later that afternoon and they talked, maybe talked more this am, and now that everything's cool and Diggs made an appearance at Minicamp, it's "nothing to see here, Move Along". I'm sure it's truth that McDermott excused him as in, he noted his absence from Day 1 of Mandatory Minicamp as "excused" so that there won't be a fine that might ruin the apparent detente.

He's not. Jefferson, Davonte Adams, Tyreek Hill. Then close to a tie between CeeDee Lamb, Diggs, and Kelce (156, 154, 152).

I’m not sure the reporters are allowed to cover the team drills portion, just position drills

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