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I don't think they see Bates as a tackle except for "Break Glass In Emergency". I guess in his cameos at tackle, he looked better than Bobby Hart did, but that's kind of a low bar. If Brown continues to struggle, I think we'll see Brandon Shell, the 8 year vet we signed as a FA. I would expect him to be servicable or a bit better.

That's a great question. I went looking for mentions of him, and the ones I've found were in drills. Which is not to say there aren't any in team work, just I couldn't find them.

Shakir got 275 snaps on offense last season (close to 30% of the offensive snaps). In those snaps, he had 20 targets and 10 receptions - a 50% catch rate. I don't dis him for that, since we don't know if he was scored as "targeted" on throw-aways, but he did have 2 scored drops (10% drops). For the record, that's higher than Davis and McKenzie, the TBD Drop Whipping Boys. I'm not sure why you mention Crowder. He had no scored drops last season.

That's a really great question. As I recall, he was participating in minicamp. I can't find anything about him being placed on PUP or the like. I haven't heard anything about him, good or bad.

So it's worth noting that Creed Humphrey was regarded as a top-tier C in the 2021 draft, but drafted late in the 2nd round (63rd) However, Trey Smith was a 6th round pick for a reason. The Chiefs got the "steal of the draft" there. The Chiefs totally rebuilt their OL that off-season, including signing Joe Thuney who had 2 Superbowl rings with the Pats and is still the #5 paid guard on AAV, and trading a 1st round pick for Orlando Brown on a 2 year rental. The only player they kept was Andrew Wylie, who had played guard for them the previous year, and Lucas Niang, a 3rd round 2020 pick. The point that I tried (apparently unsuccessfully) to make elsewhere, is that investing "enough" resources in OL is in part, a judgement made in hindsight, after it is shown to work. If it hadn't worked, it would have been "what a stupid move to trade a 1st 3rd 4th and 2022 5th for Orlando Brown who is really a RT, and it just was a bad idea to be choosing between a 6th round rookie and a 8 yr former 6th round pick coming back off a year's sabbatical at RG. And did we really want to bet the season on a rookie at C?" Fortunately for the Chiefs, it all worked out. Now maybe that's great scouting on their part, but remember they had to rebuild the line because their FO judgement in previous years was that what they had was "enough". So if we're looking at the Chiefs 6th round rookie RG as a "top tier OL", it is worth noting that the Bills have regularly taken late round and UDFA shots at OL. Last year it was Luke Tenuta, who is now playing for the Packers. This year it was Nick Broeker (who, per NFL Draft Profile, sounds like a poor match for us but we saw something). 2021 was Tommy Doyle and Jack Anderson. The only year we didn't draft an OLman was 2020. Anyway: have the Bills done "enough" on OL? Well, they didn't trade half their draft for a LT, but theoretically Dawkins is a good quality LT. They didn't draft a C, but Morse has been reliable. They added two guards in FA, with Connor McGovern as the bigger FA signing and David Edwards, who played 3 years for the Rams including on their superbowl winning team as the dark horse "is he back from concussions?" add. Drafted a guard. To me, the questionmarks are: 1) is Spencer Brown "enough" at RT? Brown looked OK and flashed as a rookie struggling with a back injury, did not look as good this season, and has had some bad outings in pre-season. If Brown can't get it done, behind him we have -Brandon Shell, Jets 5th round pick in 2016, who has started 72 games for 3 teams in 7 seasons. He was with the Jets for 4 seasons before signing in Seattle, played out his 2 year contract there but ended on IR, then signed to Miami's PS after not drawing FA interest (likely due to the injury). He started 11 games last season. He's shown he can play ok if he's healthy, he's struggled a bit with injuries I believe. -David Quessenberry. He was not an improvement on Brown last season from what I saw. -Alec Anderson, 2022 UDFA signing from UCLA, PS last season - so he's had a year to learn Kromer's system -Richard Gouraige, 2023 UDFA. He keeps drawing mentions from the guys watching practice. 2) is Connor McGovern (or failing him, David Edwards or Ike Boettger (1.5+ years off Achilles) or Kevin Jarvis (coming off IR as a 22 UDFA) a significant upgrade on Rodger Saffold, who was a huge disappointment to me as last year's FA signing?

Just a little note that in the game Bernard started, he was not playing MLB. He was playing for Milano, with Edmunds at MLB Playing for Milano in "next man up" fashion, is apparently a very tough ask. I can remember when we brought Klein in, in 2020, the first game he played for Milano vs KC a number of people called him "the worst linebacker they'd ever seen" (you might have been one?). Yet a few weeks later against Seattle, he looked All World and won AFC Defensive Player of the Week. Part of that is Klein adjusting to the defense, but a big part of that was the Bills pulling the plug on Milano and saying "I don't care if you want to play, you can't lift your arm and tackle, so you're out, and you're going on IR", then actually adjusting their defensive scheme to play to Klein's skill set. Anyway, I'm not trying to excuse Bernard or say he looked good, because he didn't - just to point out that it's a possibility he might do better at MLB in a defensive role that is tailored to his skillset (same true of Dodson of course).

I reluctantly agree with you, which is kind of a scary thought; if the plan is to start either Dodson or Bernard, I fear that's a Bad Plan. Again, vs Detroit, both Milano and Klein started and played 100% of the snaps and Dodson only shows as a 'starter' because the Bills started out in base, with Dodson getting the nod. Dodson only played 10 defensive snaps vs. Detroit (14%) To be fair, against Cleveland, that was the week the Bills practice schedule was severely disrupted due to weather, thus in a week where the LB needed more coaching and more prep, they got less. The most concerning game to me is Minnesota. he played about 2/3 of that game for Edmunds, and looked bad. Of course, he was straight subbing in for the Edmunds-based game plan vs. having a game plan tailored to his skills.

I agree that from what we've seen so far, Dodson struggles in coverage. I wonder if you've got your games mixed a bit, though. Pittsburgh was one of Dodson's starts. The other two were Cleveland and Detroit, true - but I think vs. Detroit, the team started in base, because Klein and Milano played 100% of the LB snaps vs. Detroit. Dodson played most of the game vs. Minnesota, though. Edmunds started, but left due to injury and Dodson played 2/3 of the snaps. And I think that's where he looked very bad in coverage - but to be fair, Minnesota was a top passing team for both attempts and yards so it was a strong test.

So in some ways the RB room is upgraded. Harris/Murray the more physical RBs we were told Moss would become. Cook can hit the holes that Singletary couldn't. But Singletary had become an excellent pass blocking RB. And there's some concern whether Cook will "get it".

Huh?

That (tying together threads) is the real achilles heel of Beane's OL builds. It's not that he doesn't put resources into the line. He has - maybe not as many high picks as folks would like, but OL is hard to scout these days so there's an argument to be made for picking up guys who have put down some NFL tape. But there are two errors with a draft pick. One is giving up too early (analogous to Type I error in statistics. rejection of actually true null hypothesis) The other is giving them too many chances and too much time (analogous to Type II error, accepting an actually false null hypothesis). When it comes to Cody Ford and now maybe Spencer Brown, Beane has been a Type II guy.

I'm not done with him. But I no longer view him as a roster lock. He's got to figure out how to hang on to some of those contested balls, because he doesn't have the arm length or speed to hold defenders off and separate cleanly.

To me it usually falls into place, like "OK, Torrence was in with the 1s pre-stretching then it was Bates with the 1s in the first 11-on-11 team session then..... But it can seem like different practice, for example, Ajay Cybulski sees Khalil Shakir as dropping a pass he should have caught. A different perspective: Or, maybe it was a very good play by Cam Lewis, who has played 234 defensive snaps in the NFL; he can make a play. Davis has by all accounts had a good couple of days, and Kincaid so far is having a good camp as is Cook.

I'm hoping it's a thing where they're noting the drops more than the routine catches, but Yeah. Guy needs to get hooked up with Dawson Knox eye coordination guy or something.

If Dodson has improved in reading coverage and reacting, he could do OK. He can for-real *thump* on tackling and reading the run.

Good. Show Kinkaid that this is the NFL, it's not going to be easy

The only thing that could console me for drafting Boogie Basham with Creed Humphrey on the board, would be to see Basham succeed. It's why I value reading blow-by-blow accounts like Astro's. He usually clarifies which group is in when.

So now I'm confused, did Hamlin get two picks or one, and if one, was it thrown by Barkley or Kyle Allen?

Edit: from other reports, this was actually a Barkley pass, and the play had been whistled dead But still

I'm hoping that one or more of the guys who cover practice will spell out the personnel in the OL that are getting pwn'd. Apparently Dawkins, McGovern, and Morse are in there, and Brown. Is it Bates, Torrence, or Edwards at RG? Is this the lineup that's consistently getting owned?

Interesting that this is going on with McDermott apparently away from practice for a "family matter"