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Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but when you call a guy "a parody of an NFL quarterback prospect" and use the words "zero" and "all", any evidence at all that the guy isn't a "parody" and any single piece of evidence supporting that he has a chance, make you wrong.

(Aaron Schatz of Football Outsiders) Some of us keep our receipts. This is what Schatz had to say about Allen after the draft: "A parody of an NFL quarterback prospect, Allen was abysmal in 2017 en route to not even making an all-Mountain West team. We don't want to say there's absolutely no chance he'll ever be good – he's got a deep ball, he's got some ability to make plays on the run and under pressure – but there is zero empirical evidence to support him becoming a reasonable NFL starting quarterback. And if you thought the excuses for his supporting cast were bad in Wyoming, wait till you see this Bills offense. ... Allen is the battleground that old scouts are going to die on, whether they're right about it or, as all evidence suggests, wrong about it." Plus of course the comment "I would rather have Tyrod Taylor quarterbacking my team over the next four years than Josh Allen." I gained some respect for Sal Capaccio after one twitter exchange where Schatz tried to white-wash his post-draft take as saying "I said he had a chance to be good" and Sal said "you called him a parody of an NFL quarterback prospect and said there was zero evidence to support him becoming a reasonable starting quarterback" As for the old scouts, I would say they're not dead yet, so don't sleep on them.

Maybe it was @Billl..someone named a couple Chiefs fan forums they said were pretty good and I went there and looked around, they seemed OK. Certainly a mile above chiefsplanet.

This is classic. Dawkins: "Yo, so like, do you know that you're a Superstar? Or do you just imagine that you're a regular guy, but you're really a Superstar?" Josh: "I'm a regular guy. I'm a real fun guy." Dawkins: "Josh, these people are screaming at the top of their ***** lungs. There's guys screaming, there's females screaming" Josh: "They want to hug me?" Dawkins: "They want to hug you" Somehow I feel that if Josh weren't mic'd up, a different word than "hug" might have been used 😂 Also, watching Dawkins next to Spencer Brown I can't help feeling that if Dawkins could hand off about 20-30 lbs to Brown that might be good, Please and Thank You.

Even the article you link points out that Allen’s throws, after he returned, were on-point and showed touch and targeting. It might not be perfect but it seemed to be working pretty damned good Well, Hey. Everyone needs a hobby.

Yeah, I forget what was recommended, but IIRC our resident Chiefs fans @Zerovoltz and @Billl told us even Chiefs fans regarded Chiefsplanet as unbelievably toxic and the Chiefs fans with neurons went somewhere else. Well, this one, Natch. Keep up the good work with the pruning sheers, Simon! Being an uttah bahstahd, I’ll drink to your good work The times I’ve visited, Russell Street Report (Ravens fan board) has had some really knowledgeable folks there.

Uh-oh. Has Schatz ever been right about the Super Bowl teams in his pre-season picks before? He sure was wrong about Allen, pre- and immediately post- draft.

Nonsense. Mark Sanchez did a masterful job of calling out Belicheck: “I would never say they cheat. They’re just relentless in the pursuit of a competitive advantage”. But Belicheck is also a keen student of the game, with a lot of respect for it. That’s why he asked to visit the Bills locker room and talk to Josh Allen after the Bills beat the Patriots in the 2021 playoffs where the Bills scored a TD on every offensive series. That was special, and historic, and Belicheck wanted to honor it. Allen is past having 6 anonymous opinions in a media poll of 50 dudes get in his head. Wanting to be seen as better than Burrows or Mahomes, now that may be in his head. But I think he also knows there’s only one way to get there. LOL. Like I pointed out credit to @pennstate10for calling out the actual results of the poll accurately, and giving the OP clickbait train context. But Trolls Gonna Troll.

I looked it up. It’s in the Atheltic, so you may need to be subscribed or get a trial Link Basically @pennstate10 called it - Allen is ranked #3 in Tier 1, behind Mahomes and Burrows and followed by Rodgers and Herbert. I’m sure a number of fans would find the rankings in Tier 2 and 3 of their favorite teams’ QBs The guy who wrote the article the OP linked just fixated on the 6 (out of 50) voters who put Allen in Tier 2, two of whom were DC’s. The other 4 would have been drawn from the “eight general managers, 10 head coaches, 15 coordinators, 10 executives, four quarterbacks coaches and three involved in coaching/analytics.”

There seem to be multiple reports that White seems to be looking much closer to his old form in training camp than he did in practices and games last year. But time will tell.

Glad to know you can predict their future already. Got any stock picks or lottery numbers?

One thing that's very important, is you can see Devin Singletary get over to the sideline fast with Dawkins right behind them. You can see a pissed off Nick Scott grabbing one of Allen's legs as he gets up, to see if he can get in a little extra strain or twist. Not uncommon, but as soon as Singletary gets over there he lets go and moves off then Dawkins is right there in case Scott comes back to respond to Allen telling him about it. Lil' Dirty is hanging back, but I can't blame him for that, he doesn't have "good size". I hope Cook and Harris are as dependable about following up to protect Allen the same way Singletary did. As long as Allen runs, there has to be someone hustling over there to protect him from extracurriculars.

Apparently it's his right wrist. That's an easy thing to brace up and send the guy back out to practice, but linemen critically depend on their wrists and hands so it can be seriously impairing (for a guy who doesn't need to be impaired). Let's hope it's just precautionary and heals quickly. Also, Dawkins calves 👀. I've seen 9 month baby bumps that looked smaller. Guy doesn't skip leg day.

The thing about Ray is his injury history and long hiatus from the NFL make one wonder if he's a pre-season warrior. Can he hold up? Kingsley is a player who looks as though he's improving I think the hope the Bills had when they drafted Basham was that he would be able to fill that play both inside and outside role that the Bills signed Quinton Jefferson to fill in 2020, only to see that possibility fade when Lotulelei opted out and the Bills were left scrambling to figure out who could play 1TDT. So far I haven't seen that come to fruition with Basham as the Bills hoped. Not sure on Lawson rotating inside - has he? Groot can be a monster there, I know.

So, Friday was in the Stadium, with 35,000 of Josh Allen's closest friends in attendence.... I wonder if on Friday, Allen was putting a bit more heat on his passes and that made them harder for the receivers to handle? If so, either they gotta get used to it....or Allen has to lengthen his Frank Sinatra playlist pre-game. Nonsense, he's adorable!

Oh now that's adorable!

Well, especially Micah Hyde closely followed by Jordan Poyer, but as I understand it - all of them. McKenzie was an equal opportunity trash talker.

Probably just attention seeking. Everyone knows if you dis Josh Allen or other Bills you can generally rile up Bills Mafia like a nest of hornets and generate clicks and views.

Although it does have to be pointed out (and this applies to Burrows as well) that "solid is as solid does". Allen does his O-line no favors at times; if he took the short pass and the checkdown more at times, his line would look better. I mean, I'm not saying they'd magically look great, but they'd look average or a bit better. And Spencer Brown would still be an issue.

I know Dawkins hasn't been all we hoped last season or so far this preseason, but considering the alternatives that's a real AwShit moment. That's what we want to see and hear about from Kincaid. Although it's not good evidence that Dodson is able to fill the coverage aspect of the MLB role.

Yeah, I mean, Bill Belicheck used to hold that opinion of Allen - that he would try to beat you with his legs, that he would go for the deep stuff and could be baited into mistakes. That opinion changed on Saturday January 15, 2022. Allen has now had 3 consecutive seasons well over 4000 passing yards, with 138 passing TD and 60 INT. We are well past the days when opposing defenders would say "we need to keep him in the pocket and make him be a QB". Lamar Jackson's best passing year was just over 3,000 yds. The rest have been 2,000-ish. Open question "can he beat you from the pocket"? Jalen Hurts had a great season last year. Big step up in completion % to 67% and passing yards to 3700. Lots of passing TD, near the top of the league in INT %. The Eagles don't make the Superbowl without his big step as a passer. Datapoint of 1 season that "yes, yes he can beat you from the pocket".

Micah Hyde is a big believer in "speaking things into existence", for example with regard to INTs Wonder if that's what McD is trying here with Shakir, Bernard, and the backup QBs This is NOT good news on either part, but Allen sounds like maybe precautionary and prudent since he came back and threw. Dawkins, Not Good.