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Um, we did cut Kameron Cline AND Kendal Vickers They’re not on our 53 man, they are on our practice squad.

That already happened thru preseason Add in Dodson has been a stalwart on ST, which I know many here don’t care about but McDermott does

Just like that winning coach Doug Marrone said, eh? "Never Confuse Effort with Results" Oh Wait

Obviously from his post-cutdown interview, Beane is concerned about that too. But he seems more concerned with keeping the guys who are best for THIS year. But I do need to point out the "one more year" thing. I'm not sure this is your mistake, but Teller did not need "one more year" in Cleveland. He played "right bench" the first half of the season after the trade, took over for injury and played decently, then became a 2nd team all-pro the following year on a strong RUNNING team (4 for attempts, 3 for yards). It's been said previously that Beane traded Teller and he became an "instant all pro" in Cleveland, that's not true. Beane traded Teller who sat on the bench, then became a 2nd team all pro 2 years later - and again, on a strong RUNNING team. As many times as Beane trades off a guy we drafted with years left on his contract. Well, OK - I didn't hear anyone suggesting that about Zach Moss or Cody Ford, but then, I didn't hear anyone suggesting that about Wyatt Teller the first year after we traded him either.

I'm not sure what your point about Cincinnati is. Daquan Jones didn't play vs. Cincinnati, calf injury. Ed Oliver played 75% of the game, wasn't on injury report but was wearing a shoulder brace a couple weeks earlier. Jordan Phillips was questionable with a shoulder, got off season surgery. TBH I'm not sure who our DL against Cincy was - the starters were Eli Ankou and Tim Settle. I think Ed Oliver (shoulder) may have played some 1T? Also Jordan Phillips (shoulder), and Boogie Basham took snaps. Our starting DE were Shaq Lawson and Rousseau, AJ Epenesa, Kingsley Jonathan, and Boogie behind them I think. Anyway, it appears their subpar and broken O-line beat up our sub-par and broken D-line. Shaq Lawson has become a very good run defender. Rousseau is also pretty good against the run.

Um...you don't yet know what the results in NE under Bill O'Brien as QB coach will be, right? The Patriots haven't yet played a game with O'Brien as OC and Mac as QB. ( @BuffaloBillyGOBrien is a dual role, as well, OC and QB coach) So are we wondering what Joe Brady offers Josh Allen as a non-QB coaching a top 5 franchise QB?

Maybe stupid question, but is he rich? Being the nephew of a famous rich uncle doesn't make that automatic. We like to see everything as either/or: good/bad hero/zero. But most situations and people are more nuanced than that.

Pretty crazy that $1.865M for 3 years makes Chad the highest paid player in the N CFL, when that's not even NFL Rookie Minimum Edit: thanks to those who pointed out my brain fart

Isn't that "Whataboutism" WEO? We've been talking about Apple here. He can be "not an upstanding citizen" for not being willing to gift 2T of blood to his unborn child without any reference to the morals and ethics of his ex-girlfriend, which could be horrid. You can take those on in a separate discussion if you wish, but her being scummy doesn't make him less so. (I don't think she went "right to social media" by the way, the child has evidently been born (at 25 weeks) and had several medical procedures.)\\ And on that note, I think I'm outta here.

Maybe my perception of Clark is colored by playoffs since that would be like 2/3 of the Chiefs games I watched IIRC the Texans "Boogie'd" Omenihu by flipping him to the Niners for a following year 6th. I'll take your word on his beastliness, but is some of that caused by playing with Nick Bosa?

I haven't watched every niner game so I have no visual basis to disagree. Did you watch every chiefs game to compare Clark? Anyway, looks like Omenihu is gonna be lacking that "best ability is availability" trait for the first 6 games.

It's a little hard to tell the size and proportions, but I think it's a wolf or fishing spider. The eyes are different (between wolf and fishing), if you care to get close enough to look. Their venom isn't that harmful. https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/commonspiders.pdf Bottom row on the right Was just canoeing last week, and one of the kayakers at our put-in found a freakin' tarantula in her kayak. Damned thing was like 6" across. First time I learned there are tarantulas native to Missouri. That's one learning I wish I'd missed.

I'm not sure he's an upgrade; I think 4.5 -5 sacks and 13-16 QB hits was Clark's production last 2 years Similar production 2020 and 2022 from Omenihu

Charles Omenihu, who they signed in FA, is suspended 1st 6 games. Don't know how much they were counting on him; 4.5 sacks, 16 QB hits, 1 PD and 1 forced fumble last season.

As a general rule of thumb, my threshold for being willing to share small amounts of my blood via sterile needles and good phlebotomy technique is pretty low. So yeah, I'll go there: "any dude who wouldn’t offer 30cc of blood to his unborn child is not an upstanding citizen" is a statement I can agree with. As written, it doesn't strike me as particularly ethically or morally challenging Now you can delve into back-story and ask "was that really the only ask or did she want a couple of million $$ and a kidney to go with it?" "did she really want his blood to conduct satanic rituals involving Jason Whitlock?" "Was she planning to re-create the formula for Colonial Era barn paint but her Vegan principles didn't allow her to sacrifice an animal?" or whatever But as written, yeah. You? (in case anyone else is reading and wants to know, 30 cc (or ml) is approximately 2 tablespoons, or less than 1/10 of a pint)

I really don't want to get between you and Mr WEO 🍿 but speaking for myself, I looked at it as exchange of knowledge/ideas and had no concern for or interest in having a persuasive or impressive effect on anyone else, or on whether or not there was an audience. I figured anyone who wasn't interested would be "oh there goes Beck again *snore*" and skip it. I guess you could make an argument for lacking meaningful content in that it wasn't about football?

I don't think we're reading the same board.

Yes, we can agree on that last. If everyone on this board stopped commenting on issues where we don't know the background, wouldn't about 99.9% of the board go away? That includes people commenting on things that are "outside their lane" (which I said in my last post is where I am at this point) or where their knowledge is limited. Not sure I'm seeing the problem with two somewhat-more-knowledgeable-than-general-public posters having a civil b&f discussion about one aspect of a vaguely football-related post? Alloimmunization against platelets was mentioned in one of my responses.

I thought Belichick pretty much had to put up with it? That Kraft was paying Brady under the table by funneling money into the TB12 training facility owned by Brady and Guerrero? Until Guerrero went too far by flat out telling certain players to not follow Patriots medical team advice, and Brady went too far by pretty much telling players to get treatment with Guerrero if they wanted his attention? Well...the Broncos surely didn't trade for Wilson and pay him the big bucks so they could sit in the cellar of the AFC West. The current storyline is, it's not Russ Wilson's fault, Nathaniel Hackett was a mess. So I wouldn't give odds against Wilson being Scapegoat Number 1. Payton's ethical standards can be described in one word: Bountygate

I can see Payton's point. It's not as bad as Brady with his fitness guru/trainer Alex Guerrero, where he and Guerrero had their own company but he was allowed access to the Patriots facility and even use of the rooms and equipment, and players said they felt pressured to sign up with Guerrero or that Guerrero would contradict instructions from the Patriots trainers/S&C staff At least, as far as we know. But I can 100% see not wanting an independent parallel staff for the QB. I do wonder if it will "stick" though.

I'm guessing here, but I'd bet a beer that it's No Such Thing. Isn't Wilson the one who has his own entourage - mental coach, mechanics coach, massage therapist, trainer - and insisted on bringing them into the building? My guess is that the reason the Broncos went for someone relatively inexperienced is to get someone who won't butt heads with those guys or with Wilson, but who will be high-energy about helping Wilson with anything he wants to do, chopping film up however Wilson wants it chopped, and super tactful with anything he points out instead of lacing it with ego. Webb would probably fit the needs of that package (see what I did there? and yeah I know it was Joe)

Yeah, there we're "out of my lane". 30 cc sounds like a lot for a type and cross; back in da day we pulled a 6 ml tube and I would think it's more efficient/less needed now a days. If I'm remembering my time in pediatric lab medicine, a newborn full term baby only has about 250 cc of blood total, so a 25 week fetus maybe what, half that? I don't really know. It didn't strike me as intrinsically unreasonable that 30 cc might be enough to make a significant difference partway through a pregnancy.

You know, I actually took the time to listen to what Josh actually said and transcribe, which requires several back and forth. That's actually the very opposite of the normal meaning of gaslighting. Mischaracterizing what I've said in this way does not reflect well on your credibility as someone to have discussion with; just what exactly are you trying to accomplish here? And you still haven't answered my question. It's not rocket science: 1) How do you think he's putting up the rush yards AND passing yards (not to mention stiff arming and trucking) against defensive players, some of whom are noted "workout warriors", if he doesn't work out and build a good base of fitness (aerobic and strength) prior to the season? 2) Josh is the active player with most consecutive starts. It seems pretty well established that athletes who are ill conditioned or under-trained can be more prone to injury under extreme exertion, while athletes who are rigorous about strengthening stabilizer muscles and maintaining flexibility can avoid or minimize injury. How do you think Josh is achieving these consecutive starts, if he doesn't work out and build a good base of fitness prior to the season? Don't shift the frame of the discussion, I'm not claiming Josh is an "elite off season warrior", that's not what this is about.

I think Josh is talking about taking ~10 weeks "mostly" off, not 5 months off. Between the end of the season and phase 1 OTAs. That's from careful listening to the interviews people are slinging from. Whether he does enough in the rest of the time, who knows? So far, he doesn't seem to be pulling a Roethlisberger, but you have a valid point that if he in fact is taking 5 months off from position-specific strength and flexibility training, that will come. I would still like to learn your examples of modern-day elite professional athletes who don't train and get by on native athleticism.

Hank Aaron smoked cigarettes. "Greatest Diver of All Time" Greg Louganis acknowledges that he not only smoked, he was an alcoholic and used drugs until just before his first Olympic games. Yet times have changed. The #2 guy on various Olympic teams now starts his dive list with degree of difficulty dives that were Louganis best, and goes up in difficulty from there. The "new normal" has become higher DOD. Same with football - time was when guys would have off-season jobs to get by. Not now, and in general NFL athletes are bigger, stronger, faster than they were even 2 decades ago. I agree that genetics do play a huge role, but I think a lot of that role is getting athletes into the "elite of the elite", the top guys in the NFL. Serious question, what modern elite athletes (Olympic, professional) are 5-7 years into a career and one of the best at their chosen sport, without serious sport-specific training in the off season to build a base? Let's say, in the last 20 years. As I said to BadOl, this isn't an argument, it's a question. Who? I think "rippling muscles" are over perceived as a correlate to functional strength. I think guys who have rippling muscles, generally train for rippling muscles; guys who are photographed with rippling muscles also set that up carefully. But that doesn't mean guys with high functional strength but no rippling muscles don't train, and train hard. Josh's background "growing up and working on a farm" has been overblown in the media. I'm sure he did stuff at need, but Josh's family was really the local landed gentry. I believe it was his grandfather who donated the land for the high school. Josh talked about playing every sport he could -swimming, baseball, basketball, football - in part because if he were involved in sports, he got out of farm work. It's not like his parents were pulling him away from sports to go move irrigation pipe or hoe the fields or harvest the cantaloupes.