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Actually, no, it's not. We bring 90 players into camp each season. Every team drafts players who don't succeed. So you kind of need to explain a bit more to defend that as a realistic theory as responsible for "no championship". Or not - you can believe it, and I can chalk it up as "not defended, not proven" and it looks like it's spurred some interesting discussion.

F the Brownie Browning Browns. I used to feel empathy towards their fans, No More. But I mean - you redraft and overall, the #1 drafting team and the #2 drafting team pick the best two QB from that draft? What A Surprise.

That is also possible.

What were you expecting from a GM who is "average" or "good" drafting Rd 2 and 3 if you think Beane is "bad"? And what GMs exemplify this? Remember that overall, the odds of getting a football player (not a star, just a guy who can play solidly in the NFL) are something like 50% at best in the 2nd and 3rd round - and many of these may be the team's "lunch pail guys", guys they expect solid play from during their rookie contract but may not necessarily re-sign. Or guys who don't contribute for a year, or who get traded off their original team then play for their 2nd shot. Austin Corbett and Ronald Jones II would be examples of that from 2018. 2018 Round 3 Harrison Phillips. Injuries. NFL player, Bills use heavy rotation at his position, 55% of snaps his final season, played out his contract here Push. 2019 Round 2 Cody Ford. Injuries, then struggled period. Now playing for Bengals. Hope he's still a bust. Round 3 Devin Singletary. Solid back and pass protector here. Played out his contract here. Round 3 Dawson Knox Good player. Solid all-around TE. Has been resigned. Didn't contribute as much last season, but was that him or Dorsey? 2020 Round 2 AJ Epenesa. Asked to remodel himself. Has contributed but not as much as we need, looking like he took a step this off season. Jury still out. Round 3. Zach Moss. Injuries. Did not work out here at all. 2021 Round 2 Boogie Basham. Not looking good IMO. Round 3 Spencer Brown mixed bag. Has looked good at times, awful at others. Injury concerns. 2022 Round 2 James Cook. Contributed last season, looking good so far. Could be a great add. Round 3 Terrel Bernard. STer so far. Looked lost in space in the game he started for Milano last season. Competing at MLB this season. So for the first 3 years, we have "contributing NFL players": Phillips, Singletary, AJE. "sub-par": Ford, Moss. 60%. I don't think we can tell what we've gotten the last 2 years yet, and especially not last season, yet. It's an interesting contention that not drafting better in the 2nd and 3rd round has cost us a championship. Can you say more about this?

I would think Sean Payton's comments would put a little extra "***** in their whatever-it-is-NJ-dwellers-eat-instead-of-grits" .......fruit loops? Aaron Rodgers looks as though he ought to be coaching.

What 4th round pick did you want the Bills to use on this gamble?

Unfortunately I suspect that playing NFL OT is even more strenuous than picking up a wallet, and probably subjects the back to more unpredictable and undesireable forces than a carefully controlled gym workout Somehow I felt these two posts just complemented each other and went together. Like bread and butter. Ham and cheese. Wings and blue cheese

Does anyone else chant “you sick *****!” At the TV every time you see Watson’s face?

Just a little note that statement 2. “The Dolphins and the Bills both expect to win the AFCE” is not that same statement as “the Dolphins have closed the gap with the Bills. 2. Can be true (of course they think they’ve improved and expect to make a run this year). Add in the Jets for good measure - they expect to win it too. And I’m sure Belichick thinks he has a strategy. Closing the gap is different - it’s not about expectations, it’s about what you have done. Exactly.

(Pictures @Dablitzkrieg muting the TV and having at it)

No, he won't be playing. The game is between the NY Jets and the Cleveland Browns.

I could be mistaken, I often am...but I think Mike White may look better when throwing to Waddle and Hill in the Dolphins offense than he did passing to Garrett Wilson and Tyler Conklin in Mike LaFleur's offense. How have they "closed the gap" judging by games played last year? Their record was 9-8. 5 straight losses, including 4 with Tua.

They don't need to look at Klein. McDermott knows what Klein's strengths and limitations are in great detail.

In emergency. They are going to look at Brandon Shell first, I would guess. Gouraige might get a look, as might Edwards. It's not that Bates couldn't play RT in an emergency, but he's one snap away from going in at C and if he doesn't start the season at RG, one snap away from going in at G. They want to go into the season with an RT who isn't their backup C, is my guess. Shell has started 72 games at RT for NYJ, SEA, and MIA, including 11 last season and 10 the previous season. That makes him this year's "Daryl Williams/Ty Nsekhe Plan B" at RT IMHO.

I totally agree with that second part. I also agree that it's difficult to sort what eye-witnesses are reporting from camp, because they aren't reporting the whole thing. Case in point: On Tues, most people reporting from camp assess that the defense won the day with 6 "sacks" on 25 dropbacks. But Joe Buscaglia, who is nothing if not methodical, reported that despite the "sacks" and PBU, Josh was something like 19 of 25 for hitting the player he targeted in passing. And that gives a different impression of the day: yeah, the offense struggled but they were getting their shots in too.

I don't disagree that one play shouldn't define him. I think people are more reacting to the combination of that play, along with some reported struggles he seems to be having in camp. And I'm more reacting to the description in your previous post "he made the catch but on the impact the ball slightly moved and as he rolled after hitting the ground the tip of the ball touched the turf". It seems pretty clear in the replay that he never made a clean catch with both hands on the ball or a hand and his body demonstrating control - it was between his arms and his body which is why it was overturned, not because "he made the catch but on impact the ball slightly moved and the tip of the ball touched". If the receiver has control of the ball with his hands, it's not supposed to matter if the ball moves a little or part of it touches the ground.

I agree that I would have liked to see the team make more of an off-season move at WR, and I am uncertain about the ROI we'll get from Harty given his obvious talent, but also his obvious size and injury history. Honestly, though, it was not a great year for FA WR. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/all/

It's worth noting that when Edwards arrived, he made a point that Kromer in LA tried the OLmen at every position but C. He played behind a very good RT in LA. But, a lot of G played RT in college and are IOL in the league. It will be "up to" Kromer to assess which of Edwards, Shell (who has started 72 games at RT in the league) or maybe Gouraige is 'next man up'. Tough circumstance for Brown, though. Back injuries in a big OLman are hard to return from and reach potential. Can we agree on the point that if it's ambiguous that different people see it differently, it's not a cold hard facts and logic thing?

Except if we're talking about that drop in the Miami game, from the replay it wasn't a clean catch. it was a difficult catch, but his hands weren't in the right place and it kind of seemed he wasn't "looking it in". So the cold hard facts and logic kinda go the other way.

OK! Someone with an answer! And it's a fair one from the point of view that they've been their team's #1 receiver last year or close due to injuries, which changes how they're seen. So I don't think those teams are taking that deal, but the point is valid that they're one of two very high quality receivers on their team. Sure - if they'd trade them, I'd go for that. So kudos for a plausible answer.

Yeah, that was a clear drop. He never caught it cleanly, he bodied it.

Are you at TC or did you see a replay of this somewhere? Linky if the latter. More news, please, if the former. If it's as you described, that's very very tough and sounds like it should have been a catch. I don't think "the tip of the ball touched the ground" should overturn unless it is clear that happened first, before he got his hands on it. If it just touched the ground as he rolled, that should be a catch.

OK. Barring Tee Higgins, DeVanta Parker, Jaylen Waddle, and maybe Tyler Lockett, who you want to trade him for, straight up? Don't say OBJ or DeAndre Hopkins, we'll see about them. Someone who was more productive LAST YEAR in terms of receiving yards/game and had a better catch % than Davis.

Fair. So it was a reaction to a general turd-ness on his part and not that specific post?

This does NOT sound good. Especially not already, in pre-season.