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It doesn't have to be a lie. He could be mistaken about who said it, or missing some context or detail that totally changes the meaning, or added a word or phrase in his mind that wasn't there originally (people's memories do that).

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OK, I think it is arguable and so do a number of other folks here. Josh had good games in 2022, including early wins over the Rams, Titans, Ravens, Steelers, and a solid solid game vs. the Chiefs plus a 6 game win streak on an injured throwing elbow. He had some miserable games in 2021, including Pitts home opener, loss to the Titans where we couldn't move the ball in the 2nd half, miserable loss to Jacksonville, first half of the eventual overtime loss to Tampa. It's nowhere near as clear cut as you make it seem. Daboll arguably has a less talented roster than the Bills, but any team that won 9 games last season and made the playoffs, then improved in the off season has more than 10% of the talent the top teams have. The point is, they played the Cowboys tough and lost by a single score 2x last season, the core of that team is back, and yet they got their asses whipped on Sunday. That's on coaching IMHO not entirely on roster talent. Plus we have all kinds of people fretting and fuming that we lost Hodgins to the Giants and traded them Basham for a bag of peanuts. Yeah, now you're just trolling.

I dunno about the app, but it's been up on the website for a while. It would be pretty stupid for the Bills to rely on an interview with an independent media member/former QB to "send Josh a message". I believe that any messages were sent directly from various coaches' mouths to Josh's ears. Interesting! Maybe Dorsey and/or Brady need to make Josh re-watch a tape where he was patient, took what the defense gave him, and moved the ball consistently. Instead of telling him "don't think of monkeys" tell him "do think of racoons" or the like.

How can you look around and read this forum and think Josh Allen is some kind of "sacred cow around here"? Seriously? Dan Orlovsky spelled it out very nicely and IMHO is worth the listen https://www.buffalobills.com/video/dan-orlovsky-analyzing-josh-allen-s-game-and-week-1-s-loss-to-the-jets The three INT were absolutely throws that should not have been made, and he isn't shy about laying it on a mindset of Josh's that feels like "I will make a completion where there is none to be had". He says he noted 7 plays where, in his words, Josh was "out of control"

Agree. And one of two things will happen. Either Bernard will get it together, and quickly - or Bernard will be benched for Kirksey. Having decided (apparently) that Dodson was not going to handle the pressure of being QB of the Defense with poise, the Bills pivoted to develop a Plan C.

With respect, I think that's a "can't go home again" situation. Dorsey was on the sidelines as QB coach. That's not the same as returning him to the sidelines as OC. Different role. I'm not saying it shouldn't be tried or didn't work, but it's not as though Dorsey the QB coach would be coming back to the sideline.

40-0 Baby.

I don't remember Daboll saying that at all. Any idea where/when? I know McDaniel said he did that for Tua.

Because Daboll had the Giants so ready to perform on Sunday?

That would likely be Mike Shula as interim OC if needed, not Joe Brady.

I don't think it's as good. Josh has talked about Brady being a great "Xs and Os" guy. In 2019, he also talked about how helpful it was to have Ken Dorsey, someone who has played QB. Reading between the lines, Josh may need the input of someone who has been out there with 300 lb guys trying to flatten him every play, someone who has felt the urge to be a hero. I have seen shots of Josh on the sideline with Joe Brady going over a tablet. Maybe someone who was there at the game on the Bills sideline can comment, but keep in mind what we see on the broadcast is often a snapshot, and doesn't reflect the majority of the time. So just because we see Josh on the bench by himself for a moment doesn't mean he stays that way. And it may be known that after he FU, he wants half a minute to gather himself.

Burrows lets the game come to him. Burrows also has a HC/OC who make sure he has easy answers. Mahomes has had this problem in his time, and he grew out of it. It looked for a while as though Josh were growing out of it. There have been games where Josh was very patient, very focused on taking what the defense gave him. I don't know what's changed.

Your statement to which I was responding about performance art was "and daboll wud get on him I don't see anyone holding him accountable now other than diggs and that's not good for the team ." My point is, you seem to be conflating what you SEE (or don't see) with what is actually happening in team and position meetings and in meetings with HC/OC/QB coach etc. We don't know what's happening there. As far as Yips, this from Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/yips/symptoms-causes/syc-20379021 I don't think Josh is suffering from involuntary muscle spasams or focal dystonia leading to throwing INT etc. I think Dan Orlovsky has a much better assessment and is worth a watch https://www.buffalobills.com/video/dan-orlovsky-analyzing-josh-allen-s-game-and-week-1-s-loss-to-the-jets

Joe Brady is the Bills QB coach. Joe Brady is on the sideline with Josh during the game Just a little reminder that none of us know what is going on as far as coaches laying into Josh. They are not obligated (and in fact it is better if they don't) lay into Josh in public where you and I can see it. We all know that both can occur. This isn't either or

Here's the entire piece with the full context: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/dan-orlovsky-analyzing-josh-allen-s-game-and-week-1-s-loss-to-the-jets Definitely worth a watch/listen.

First of all, I don't think you know what "yips" are. You're not using that word correctly. Second, holding a player accountable should not be "performance art" for the fans and casual bystanders. That's why, after one game where Daboll was seen screaming at Josh on the sideline, he was sent up to the booth.

This. When McDermott chose a 2nd year player who scarcely saw the field last year to play MLB, he had to know there would be mistakes. In fact he flat out said so. Here's the thing though: at the time that run broke, the score was 3-0. After that run broke, the score was 3-3. Next series after that run broke, the score was 10-3. At the half, the score was 13-3. That one long run was neither the difference, nor the problem with the game.

You do realize that one reason Josh and other players (Davis, Mitch Morse, Knox) wanted Dorsey IN the booth is that they felt he got too emotional on the sideline? Mitch Morse referred to it as "The Holy Spirit comes out of him". When Dorsey was the QB coach and not responsible for decoding the defense and calling plays, evidently he managed to rein that in, but no promises he'd do better on the sideline.

This is actually true.

I believe the Bills do have a sports psychologist on staff. Mental acuity isn't the question. Jordan Palmer has said so in a recent interview on OBL. He also said he works with Josh and others on Mon/Tues during the season, reviewing film for lapses in technique.

Dorsey is no longer a rookie, and Josh had two vet backups in Case Keenum and Matt Barkley, last year.

Fitz? Mr Aggressive Pick 6? That's your choice to keep Josh in check? I do think that Dorsey, a former college and NFL QB, was helpful to keeping Josh focused. I think Kyle Allen is too much of a buddy and too junior to be able to rein Josh in or to be able to pick out what the defense is doing. That's supposedly Joe Brady's job, but I felt the role Dorsey filled was absent this year.

That last part is not protective against racism, unfortunately. Friend's brother married African American woman, had biracial child. She eventually divorced him because of all the racist stuff his relatives and friends would say in front of her and their child, that he neither put a stop to or stood up against. Note, I'm not saying that Pegula said what's attributed to him - he denies it so in my book he gets the benefit of the doubt at this point. I'm just saying that unfortunately, having a daughter once date a person of another race does not mean the father can not be racist in his views.

If the unnamed reporter who stated on a Zoom call that Pegula made these comments were mistaken about who said it or the exact comments, would he admit it?