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Not a Dorsey fan, but somehow I think the problems with the Browns go deeper than OL and OC Some of both? I do think the problems with the Browns start above Dorsey's level so in that sense, he's a "fall guy" I'm pretty sure that Ken Dorsey was a main dish(ers) for Ty Dunne's "hit piece" on McDermott, with a possible side serving of Daboll. The reason I think this is partly the timing (the article came out during the bye week, 2 games after Dorsey got fired) and partly because of something John Wawrow tweeted characterizing the article as "former employee has issues with former boss" and something like "that's why a number of us are gonna sit this one out". I think the results Joe Brady achieved the rest of 2023 and in 2024, plus Dorsey's offense with the Browns, say that Dorsey was not a "fall guy" here, and so there may be something legit in the firing in that he failed to maximize the offense given the players he had to work with.

He's the most important of the OL so we want him available above all else, but the rest of the hosses will either be in harness to start the game, or available.

That actually might be what's driving the inactives list. The OL is every bit as important as the DL, but if they're gonna try to get Cook to 1000 yds and have Allen start the game, they need the OL out there. Will be interesting to see who actually plays.

I find it interesting that Samuel is active.

Fair, they planned and their plans fell through. When it comes to commercial planes under IFR, air traffic control and company ground ops have more influence really.

If I'm guessing, with LP from Samuel all week and a "questionable" designation, they want to give him another week to "get right". Cooper is out for "personal family reasons". Shakir is the team's most productive WR and I would assume they want to assure he's healthy. I think they may want to give Keon more reps, especially since he missed 4 games. My guess is that they really want to run the ball, and we're going to see a lot of 2 2 sets with Gilliam and Davis (or an extra OLman), Morris, Kincaid or Knox and 1 receiver; if there are 2 receivers they will be Hollins and Coleman. Morris is a converted WR and can run all the routes.

I don’t know that I believe that. Pittsburgh has a mediocre OL, Pickens played like he had oven mitts on his hands, and Wilson’s decision making is bizarro world. So Cindy’s D looked like a problem. But through the season Denver’s D is very good, while Cincy’s D not so much. I mean, consider that Pittsburgh’s offense is clearly not running on all 4 cylinders and they still beat them by only 2 points. I could be wrong, I think Denver may be a better team. Joe Burrow is a helluva player and his receivers are dangerous. Nevertheless.

Exactly. He would have had 4 more games to get one more sack. He certainly didn’t play like it.

Maybe, I just saw it. Apologies if there was a thread on it I couldn’t find.

Thanks - is Wundermap put out by weather underground?

Weatherbug, thanks. Will try it.

Can I say that the only one I don't want to see be achieved is Von Miller? We lost his services for 4 games because he couldn't keep civil with his babymama/girlfriend. We've been paying him a ridiculous amount of money to make his way back from injury. And given that history, I think he should sit until the playoffs when he might actually do something.

I think all of us aspire to more. But there's aspiring to more, and regretting the losses while trying to take an open-minded approach to what happened and what the Bills need to get over the hump, vs. being a Johnny One Note Campaigner against the coach and a total negger ('when any player besides Allen steps up in the playoffs" "I don't care about 13-3" etc etc)

Well played, LMFC, whoever you are. Well played.

My apologies, so you did. I think it's not uncommon for there to be one dominant team in each division and the rest not so much, and to have one division be bad. If you look across at the AFC that same year, the 2nd teams in 2 divisions were 10-7 (vs 9-8) and there was a division where the best team was 9-8 and nobody else was better than 7-10. I'm not sure you can support a "fluke - bad conference" argument on 1 win each for 3 teams, but maybe you want to try. Peace out.

I am amused by a couple of the responses to Wolfson though Like the airline ops and KMCI ground have no experience with this kind of weather (which is not that uncommon this time of year) and can't determine when it is safe to lift the ground hold and resume flight operations, they need Michael O'Donnell (whoever he may be) to tell them how to do their jobs. I am a bit surprised that the Chiefs didn't advance their departure time and get out of there earlier this morning, though. Anyway, per multiple sources the plane has departed and is enroute to Denver.

Nah on all points. Freezing drizzle changed to snow, they'll get out of there and head off to Denver. It'll mess with their routine but Reid will spin it into a yarn about how much adversity they must overcome to reach their journey and Glow them Up

Yeah I had a talk with one once. He wouldn't come right out and say it but it was clear what he believed.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/lesean_mccoy_makes_the_most_compelling_case_that_might_make_you_believe_tom_brady_patriots_really_were_cheating_all_those_years/s1_17313_41515338 Indication or not? You be the judge

On IR with a calf after he started the NE game for Milano/Williams. (Williams, though injured, came in for him in the 2nd half ) Would be eligible to return if we make the AFCCG but apparently the calf problem he was on IR for recurred and he's aggrevated the other calf too trying to compensate. It's why I've been expressing concern about the Bills depth at LB. You kind of make him sound like a border collie?

Dude. Just stop. You don't get to combine two seasons of stats for a player only when it serves your point (like Cook outgaining Henry last season, which is actually untrue 1167 for Henry 1122 for Cook, true only if you look at Y/Sc which is apples to oranges depending upon the offense and who is throwing to him - Will Leavis?). I have no idea where you get Cooper has 1300 yds and is "top in current receiving yards" - where is "current receiving yards a thing and what does it mean? Cooper has 547 receiving yards on the year, by the way, 250 in 6 games for Cleveland and 297 in 8 games for Buffalo. That's 37 ypg for BUF and 39 overall, by the way, which is 70th in the league. Yes, we have good players on the Bills and no one is "putting them down". The Cold Hard Football Facts is that Henry has been having a superb year as a rusher, 2nd in total yards to Barkley on 40 fewer attempts; they are equivalent in yards per attempt. Saying Saquan is having a more productive year for the Eagles is not putting Henry down; it's a fact. Maybe Henry could have been as productive given 40 more carries, but the fact is - he wasn't, so he isn't. James Cook is 17th for yards and 10th for yards per attempt. He's a very good back. But no one knowledgeable would put him above Henry or even in the same room. Flowers and Shakir are playing somewhat different roles for their respective teams. Flowers is being used more downfield and overall has an average depth of target (10 ish) twice what Shakir's is (5 ish). They are both very good YAC guys, but that's the difference between Flowers 14+ YPT and Shakir's 10+. The difference between contributing 55 and 65 YPG is significant, over the season it's the difference between a top-20 WR and a guy who is barely in the #20-40 range. Again, I'm not trying to dunk on Shakir; as far as I can tell, Shakir has been playing primarily from the slot and 76 receptions and >800 yds is excellent for a slot receiver. It's a level Cole Beasley exceeded twice in his 11 year NFL career, in 2016 with Dallas and in 2020 with Buffalo. And because of how teams were playing us, Beasley got more depth of target then, and had to shake-n-bake fewer YAC. (Zay Flowers also gets more depth of target from the slot because of the run threat Henry poses) Please try to move on from the notion that facts are equivalent to putting players down. Again, I think Cook and Shakir are very good players. But I don't think you'd find many guys who know ball (or gals) who would swap either out for Henry and Flowers at this point. LOL and while I enjoy my arguments with @GoBills808, when we align on something....the person we're disagreeing with really ought to hit "pause"

Why did you see Clapp as predictable? I was thinking Gouraige.

No, he's just an optimist. We had them even during the Drought Years. Now I'm the one who says "Not Enough Wine"** **the optimist says the glass of wine is half full. the pessimist says the glass of wine is half empty. the engineer says "excess glass was used for the wine container". I say "not enough wine in the glass"

I did not see Clapp as the guy they elevated. Wonder if this means they are giving Van Pran Granger the start at C? Cooper seems to keep his private life very private. Detecting it online is above my paygrade; he was one of 4 kids of a single mom and an incarcerated father and very poor as a kid; he may have a long time girlfriend named Destiny Jones who was a graduate student in psychiatry at Alabama State after dancing there as an undergrad, but I can't find out if he has kids. All I can say is he's not in the news for any bad reasons.

Buffalo Joe. We don't have anyone else.