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Except that several "film room guys" and a coach have broken down play after play and shown that Allen in fact has alternatives on many (not all) plays

McDermott had a plan to collapse the interior pocket last year. It was called Ed Oliver and DaQuan Jones. Jones was out for the playoff game, and Oliver was playing in a LB brace. Jordan Phillips was playing hampered and saw minimal snaps. So McDermott, perforce, started the game trying to collapse the pocket with Tim Settle and Eli Ankou, and also tried injured Ed Oliver and Boogie Basham, who got swapped to the Giants for a case of frozen pizza dough. Also to take into account, we started the game with injured Jordan Poyer and Dean Marlowe at safety, then turned to Jaquan Johnson and Cam Lewis. Our starting CBs were Tre White and Kaiir Elam (you know, the guy who's been a healthy scratch this season?). And Tre White was not playing well at the end of last season. Were you watching the same game I was? The Fuq?

That's consistent of you, but many in the media do not give the QB a pass - which is why Burrows isn't getting one. You might not be, but several Bengals players very notably are. Ja'mar Chase and Tee Higgins I believe? They seem determined to use the out of context words of a minor player no longer on the team to rev themselves up. I think after the Jets game, Josh had a come-to-Jesus meeting with the coaching staff (and probably with himself, since he comes across as self-aware). There was an interception in the Jax game on the 7 yd line that cost us. Strange decision to throw that. It wasn't in the red zone, and it was on 3rd and 15 from the Buf 41, so one philosophy there is "why not take a shot?" but within the structure of the offense, he might have had a short throw that would gain 7-8 yds on 2nd down and another that could convert. It's not just turnovers, or redzone turnovers. It's decisions to roll out and operate outside the structure of the offense, when there are easy plays to be made for easy 1st downs within the structure of the offense. Those plays aren't always there, but sometimes they are and Josh overlooks them.

I don't think it's just that he's won a Superbowl. Burrow seems to be more of a system QB, by which I mean nothing negative, just that he's shown he can play effectively and consistently within the structure of the offensive play design (system), take advantage of his elite weapons, and effectively use what the defense gives him. And he does have 3 elite receiving weapons and the support of a strong run game. Allen to date has at times played within the structure of the offensive play design and taken advantage of what the defense gives him, but he also goes outside the playbook and creates when he doesn't have to at times. This is a double edged sword. He can be brilliant, and he can also contribute majorly to the loss of the game. I think both to elevate his game to the next level, AND to be perceived as a top QB, Allen needs to show mastery of operating within the structure of the offense on a more consistent basis.

Well, for starters, a QB who doesn't DNP Weds with a sore shoulder. Don't you think an uninjured starting QB could be a key factor? Josh has been bad mentally in several games, starting with the opener at the Jets.

It wasn't a stomping, but I thoroughly enjoyed Sept 25, 2011. There the Pats were, leading 24-17 going into the 4th Q after getting ahead 21-0 at the start of the 2Q FredEx, a Drayton Florence (who?) pick 6, and they're losing 31-24. Then they tied it up, and we're all "oh, here we go again with 'just give it to them' or its cousin", but one FG later they got to boo-hoo on home. I forget what it was, but it was supposed to be some sort of milestone game for the Pats if they won. 16-0 in 2016 with Brissett at QB was not nearly as sweet

Why do you feel Joe Burrow requires "a pass" on his performance? Other QB have started the season slowly, perhaps due to lingering injury (Mahomes at the start of 2021) Other QB have been injured during the season and played through it, slowing them down (Josh in mid-2020, end of 2022, now) Do they get a pass, or do they get "he's in a slump" or "see, he's not that good" or yes, maybe "off to a slow start"?

I think where Beane and the coaches got to this season, is that in theory, it is NOT the same thing In practice, for Josh...it seems to be, because once he starts running, his competitive nature comes out, and he'll fight for every grass blade instead of "being careful with his body" That was my point to the guy....if he's here for great football talk, engaging in what you call "pissy battles" (I like it) not only isn't great football talk .....It will cause a number of strong football posters to look at what he posts, categorize him as a troll/ s h i t stirrer and ignore him.

I mean, we heard the same thing about the Chiefs after we had back-to-back losses to them in the 2020 season. We couldn't measure up, we couldn't beat them, how could we contain Kelce AND Hill. 2021, we beat them very solidly in the regular season only to lose by 13 seconds in the playoffs, then beat them in 2022 again. The Bengals were a better team end of last season and they're presumed to be the better team until we prove we can beat them. I'd feel a heck of a lot better about this game if we had White, Milano, and Jones.

I think what they've both said is that they want him to take fewer hits. They want him to go out of bounds or slide. The problem, as Beane has phrased it, is that when Josh runs and takes a few hits, he gets "lathered up" and competitive, and won't do that.

Oh, Yeah. The Titans first two drives in the Thursday night game vs Pittsburgh were just BRUTAL to watch. Brilliant defensive play, sack, tackler has both arms down trying not to land full body weight on the QB, "roughing the passer" etc etc etc. Flag Flag Flag Flag. I thought Tomlin was going to swallow his headset, starting with the mic

Let me express, I thought it was a damned shame Anarumo wasn't offered a HC job somewhere else this off season - preferably in the NFC 😁 That's a valid point and McDermott falls rather into the same category - worries far more about points than yards. That said, historically, when a defense has a big difference between points and yards given up, it usually means turnovers are a factor. The Bengals 2022 defense was actually very well matched in points and yards - 7th and 8th. 2021, 7th and 13th, not a huge disparity. So they actually WEREN'T giving up disproportionate yards 2021 and 2022. This season to date the Bengals D has collected 13 turnovers, 4th in the league, and that probably goes a ways to explain how they're 27th in yards given up but 17th for points. Meanwhile your offense is very clean, only 6 turnovers all season which is 2nd in the leage. TL;DR @Scott7975 has a point. I think there's a point there. Josh has said in interviews "Sometimes I need a little contact"

Some truth here. Allen creates problems by working outside the design of the play "off schedule" as you say. He also creates plays. It's a double-edged sword, and there needs to be a balance, No Doubt. Did you watch that assessment of the Tampa game by JT O'Sullivan? There were a couple of plays where O'Sullivan pointed out the first read or the appropriate hot read being an easy short throw to a wide-open guy. It was there. Allen would fail to take that and go for a much higher degree of difficulty, in one case rolling to the left on the run and signalling Kincaid what to do - "a legitimately awesome play by Josh Allen" He made the throw, but Kincaid is pretty well covered with a safety over the top converging, and Allen throws a dime which Kincaid brings down with a brilliant double-toe stretch to catch it in bounds. O'Sullivan points out the play is mesh routes with a rail and a hook route, and the first read is usually the rail route because the mesh route kind of forces defenders to interfere with each other to cover the back. Murray is WIIIIDE open "if you throw it to 28 right there, it's an easy first down". As O'Sullivan says, "Josh Allen can do this stuff, but don't come at me sideways when he does this stuff when it matters most, and it doesn't work out". I don't have the all-22 to look at, but Bengals playoff game, first series after Cincy drove down the field for 7, 3rd and 4, Allen overthrows a deep left sideline throw to Diggs on 3rd and 4, and it's 3 and out. It would not shock me to learn it was a similar route concept and Singletary or Cook were Wiiiiiide open down the rt sideline for an easy "move the chains". When we're facing a very good offense which can score on every drive and we have to match them, when the conditions are sub-par so that little slips by Josh and little slips by the WR add up, when we're facing a top secondary who can react better and turn those plays into picks - Press the "Easy" Button, Josh. It's there.

In that sense, to @eball, how is Chao different (well, except for perhaps being a less upright and ethical person than some) from any other media figure who is paid to give an opinion based on his professional experience - all of the former players turned color commentator or announcer? They don't have actual direct knowledge of the play called or the player's assignment, but they have years of experience being on the field where similar concepts were called, so they can make a far more informed guess than most of us.

Dude, I'll take you at your word that your intent is not to troll, but you really need to re-calibrate; your tone and word choice are at a level of aggressiveness and insult-slinging associated primarily with trolls and disruptive visitors from other teams. I say this for informational and educational purposes - if you want to incite, Keep on "As you were". If you want good discussion, you might want to dial it back and tone it down a bit because otherwise, folks here who are worth talking to will read a couple of your posts, assess the word choice and tone, and decline to engage. Could fool me by looking at your posts.

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If searching for dis-offs gets a team to come out physical and motivated, then that's what they need to do. The Bengals came out ready to play last January and the Bills came out flat. They won. We lost. Until we stomp them into Tiger-fur carpets (as God intended Buffalo to do), I can't critique what they do and praise our coaches. It worked for them. Whatever we did, didn't work for us. Sunday night, let's hope that changes. He did. Let's hope the Bills remember.

Both Kincaid and Knox have 4.2 YAC/reception Knox can block though

I’m not quite sure what your point is here. Yes, Josh Allen has the 2nd most picks right now - unless it’s the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th. Know who else that could be said of? Pat Mahomes and Jalen Hurts. Tua and Stafford are 1 pick behind. Looked at as a % Allen is 7th. tied with Jalen Hurts and 0.2% worse than Pat Mahomes and Tua. Guess who is #3 in TD thrown, 1 TD behind Tua and 2 ahead of Mahomes. Maybe….the league’s top QB who throw a lot of TD and just generally throw a lot, also throw a lot of picks? Just a thought

It was DH by rule, yes. As the announcers commented, you see that kind of thing a lot and it isn’t always called.

It wasn’t PI, it was DH. That’s why it was still DH even though the ball was tipped

He needs a better clock. Needs to get the ball out on time. DANG I wish we had D Hop, not sure any of our receivers haul that high pass in much less get some YAC

I think you need enough ganja to buy some vowels

We may have been trying, he may have wanted more than Beane was willing to part with, or negotiating with several teams, or maybe Beane hoped Settle would step up

DaQuan Jones approves this message From what I gather, teams have been making him offers, he didn't bite. My opinion, he knows he doesn't have a full season in him, and it worked for him last year to sit home and wait until a contender came calling in November. Hopefully it will work for him again. PS he was signed by the Eagles on Nov 16, and started Nov 20 against Indy.