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His "logic" is weird. You're right that Toney was more egregious about the called instance than most of the rest. But if you break a law repeatedly, it does not confer an obligation on the police officers to continue to overlook it. They can stop you for any instance, and "but officer, I've been driving through this intersection the same way for months now" is not a defense or a justification.

There was the Chiefs opening game against the Lions where their RT, Jamaal Taylor, was lining up in the backfield all game and false starting almost every snap. Even that noted Chiefs fan Cris Collinsworth was commenting on it. It was finally called on 4th and 20 on the Chiefs last drive, which gave the Chiefs an extra play at 4th and 25 instead of "game over". I bet Orlovsky had no problem with it being called then. Fortunately the Lions still won. It's totally screwed up logic. If you break the rules or break the law habitually, that does not give you a mandate to continue to break rules/laws. Those responsible for enforcement can still come after you on the 4th or the 24th or the 204th instance and it's still "on you" for breaking them. But that's how KC lives, actually. They have a RT who habitually lines up in an illegal formation and false starts. He's only been called for it 7 or 8 times all season. The focus, and the problem IMO, isn't "why call him for it now?" it's that it wasn't called the rest of the time. They do it on defense, too - habitual DH and DPI and hands to the face, called only a fraction of the time they commit those fouls

You gotta wonder what that guy teaches his kids as a father. Probably teaches them, if you shoplift the Starburst candies 7 times and the Security Guard stops you on the 8th time when you take 2, the Bad Mean Security Guard shouldn't have stopped you.

Well then. He finally gets the warning he wanted. I hope he gets a fine Oh, that's fantastic! Right up there with "Paddy Melt!"

Well, Dang, I was hoping the Titans would do us a friendly, but, they muffed their chance.

It’s a “partnership” with the Refs for Andy Reid. And Toney was only an “inch or two” off sides (but blocking the ref’s view of the ball) Well All Righty Then I would have been perfectly happy if the Zebras had thrown three flags on the play. One for the Offside, one for the illegal formation on the Chiefs RT, one for the pick play.

How so? I wouldn’t expect Josh to defend McDermott as a coach. This is the NFL, talking means nothing, coaches and players live and die by results.

Yeah, he throws right

Speaking personally, I don't think so, but de gustibus and all that.

He apparently apologized for that today, but I'd love to know if he actually reached out to Allen and what he said, if so. Public apologies for things said 1:1 in person are Weak Sauce. And folks have a point that if there weren't a missed infraction committed towards Allen on the Bills previous series, Mahomes isn't on the field.

This. I did not want to see Tom Brady win another Superbowl. But it was beautifully satisfying to me to watch the refs finally call penalties on the Chiefs DB for DPI and DH in that superbowl, which they had committed all AFCC game long against the Bills with no recourse for the Bills receivers. Some people get it early somehow 🤷‍♂️

That's because people with All-22, Cheffers speaking for the refs, and finally Reid and Toney himself acknowledge he did not check. Seems fair to me

Your math is correct. Average of 63.4 offensive snaps per game so 127 combined for both teams. One reason offensive Offside is relatively rare on a WR is that for a WR, it's a "things you learn in PeeWee Football" level mistake. WR who are outside, distant from the ball, learn to check with the LJ. WR who are closer to the ball, learn to check where they are relative to the ball. Now for OL, there's a different story. On some teams, the OTs "Chiefly" line up too far in the backfield, "illegal formation", so often they must be being coached to do that and taking the viewpoint they'll do it until and unless they're called for it early and often.

Yes, I think someone who had A22 said the play was an un-called "pick" by Toney.

Yes, a couple of people upthread pointed out the Covid Rules aspect. We were told it was a non-issue because the league didn't react so a problem never existed - as though it's not part of the job of the HC to anticipate and head off such issues before we added the Buffalo Bills WR-less Game to the Denver Broncos QB-less Game It was also pointed out that if you're part of a group of subordinates who gave your boss what to him is a Big Ass Gift, it can call into question whether the Boss might soften his approach and not get up in your "Grill" as hard at times when it's needed. Or whether the Boss might subtly (and perhaps unconsciously) favor those who participated in last year's Big Give over new additions who did not participate. There are reasons why large upward gift giving is discouraged or prohibited in many organizations, but apparently those of us who think it might be a legit concern are just off in Left Field. 🤷‍♂️ Figuratively speaking, of course!

I don't want to turn this into Ty Dunne thread Part II, but over in that thread some of the quotes Dunne used absolutely rise to the level of questioning his qualities as a person - functionally describing McDermott in a way that's usually inconsistent with being a good person. Part of being a good person is having a degree of empathy for others, and treating other people well. Some of the anonymous sources Dunne quoted described McDermott: "He has zero relationship with the offensive players. Zero. None. Absolutely zero. He’s insecure. He wants the relationship that he can’t have with the players. Because he’s not physically, mentally, or socially able to.” "Narcissist" has become a pop-psych buzzword for a spectrum that ranges from normal and healthy concern for one's own self-interest (like keeping your job) to extreme forms where people are self-absorbed to a pathological degree where they don't understand that other people's feelings exist, a psychosocial disability. If you describe someone as not "physically, mentally, or socially" able to have relationships with players; insecure and jealous of people who do - IMO, you're describing them as having narcissism to the degree of it being a psychosocial disability incompatble with being a good person. Well, sure. And at the risk of harping, when a coaching assistant Dunne anonymously quoted said that Mcdermott is "insecure" "jealous" and something to the effect of "mentally and psychologically incapable of having relationships with players", they were speaking of McDermott's traits as a person. Were they not?

To be exact, having listened to this now, he said "we rallied behind each other, played for each other". There was nothing in there limiting it to "players" or talking about "players".

Thanks. That fits with stuff McKenzie said on his podcast with Dunne. Dunne asked, if he were in trouble, would it be harder to have a conversation with McDermott or Beane. He unhesitatingly said McDermott, saying that McDermott was like going to talk to your Father "What were you thinking? I raised you better than that!!!!" while Beane was like your "cool Uncle", where if you told him you stole a car he would say "Don't do that again, But was it a good car at least? Did you have fun?." (McKenzie said he never got in off-field trouble, has never drunk alcohol or used drugs, and "if it happens after midnight, I don't know because I'm not there") On the other hand, it doesn't fit with the bit from the Chad Hall truck story where an unnamed assistant coach is quoted as saying of McDermott "He’s insecure. He wants the relationship that he can’t have with the players. Because he’s not physically, mentally, or socially able to" and that he has "zero relationship" with any of the offensive players. McKenzie clearly felt a caring relationship, even though McDermott ruthlessly benched him after the fumbled KO return in the Colts game so he had as much reason to have a "beef" with McDermott as anyone.

Yeah, when in doubt, can't go wrong with falling back on the old "this is a group of guys who really love each other and play for each other" standard.

Could fool me. I think first and foremost, Tyler Dunne is a businessman trying to make a living as an enterpreneur selling subscriptions to his blog I think he acted in his interests as a businessman first and foremost

Dude. This is what you said that I was responding to: " pretty telling that had we surrendered yet another late game collapse to give up the losing TD you think the conversation would have been about a missed throw on offense tbh" I'm "with" the conversation just fine. You were criticizing him for an offensive "whatif" as "pretty telling" (whatever that means, but it's usually used critically) by making a defensive "whatif" ("had we surrendered yet another late game collapse") Not to mention the false starts. The refs do call 'em, but not nearly as often as the RT does 'em. Fair. We're just seeing it differently. When I've watched, I found myself saying repeatedly "wow, 2 years ago Lamar doesn't hit that".

They will, at the college and at the NFL level. Now, that said...it's happened that the official near the player will signal OK, the LJ on the opposite side will call a penalty, and it will stand. But that's relatively rare when the player checks their position. And Cheffers said Toney didn't.

You probably need to be logged in to see the thread, though you can log in with Google on a browser, you don't need a special account or the app Do it. It will rest your Bills fans soul.

I thought we were gonna have to put up a bunch of points yesterday. I didn't think 20 would do it. My point is if we're gonna "whatif" various plays, why is only one side of the ball fair game? Shouldn't both be fair game? We could have scored there.

I thought Allen's tap on Mahome's chest before walking away was like "yeah, whatever, bro"