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Apparently this happened before the 2019 season. I'm sure any communication from Pegula etc took place in a timely manner in 2019. I felt bad for the team, honestly. They're depending upon McDermott to coach them and lead them and make good game decisions against a very tough opponent, and he acknowledges his head is spinning.

Come on now yourself. I said about that line, it was the "Conspiracy Theorist at the Back of My Skull Poking Me". What part of that word choice and phrasing says "gee, this is a serious suggestion from this poster and it's just ridiculous" to you? The social media source was the same guy who posted the video of Hall being led outside with his eyes covered, so I would think he'd know. You're really stretching here. Agreed, it's social awareness. Although to be fair - that can be a blurred line.

That's great! Thank you for sharing! I probably laughed more than I should at "you have more turnovers than a bake sale!"

Elam's technique as a DB has been offensive. That makes him an "offensive player" so McDermott has zero relationship with him. Seriously, media asked and McDermott said he wasn't likely to play this week.

They've both been given game time designations of "questionable". McDermott pointed out before practice that Knox needs to get into "game shape" and adjust to game speed etc so they were going to see how today went. As someone here put it, he was the "straw that stirred the DL's drink". Doesn't have a game designation, so looks that way. Very good question.

Thread here There's not a lot of detail, but his case sounds similar to Dodson's case from 2019. 1) as a first time offender, Dodson was charged with DV, pleaded to a misdemeanor ("disorderly conduct" I think) and entered a diversion program which would get his record cleared if he completed it (he did). 2) after the criminal case was settled, the NFL did its own investigation, found there was evidence of DV by their definition, and suspended Dodson the minimal 6 games I think this happened in the off-season so Dodson was just suspended at the start of the season. Since he was charged, otherwise he would have been put on the exempt list while the criminal case played out. https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-nfl/news/nfl-hands-down-ruling-on-former-clemson-wr-justyn-ross-43405 Sounds like when criminal charges were filed, Ross went on the "exempt" list. The difference with Von, is that while he was arrested (by police, based on a judicial probable cause finding), and released on bail, he has not yet been charged with a crime. That is why he is not on the exempt list. The NFL can and will do their own investigation, but they normally don't while a criminal case is pending. Hope that helps. It's not just "I usually google", need to understand the NFL's DV police, understand that arrest doesn't always mean charges have been filed, and put the pieces I google together.

I'm not sure the 7th WR deserves a thread It's more the info about time on the exempt list being subtracted from his suspension And the question to which I don't know the answer - since exempt list games are "paid to sit out" but suspension games are "forfeit pay and prorated bonus", how does that work in this situation? At least, that's what interested me, and seemed like it might get more attention, maybe an answer from someone who knows, in its own thread. The "time served" aspect makes sense to me, it's how is the salary handled? that I question. Edit: I just found a possible answer. Per this article which references Schefter, he has to pay the salary back: https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-nfl/news/nfl-hands-down-ruling-on-former-clemson-wr-justyn-ross-43405

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/chiefs-wr-gets-handed-a-6-game-suspension/ar-AA1le7g1?cvid=117b54795d684d39a11e1609a4773c32&ei=24 So he's been on the commissioner's exempt list, getting paid to sit out while his domestic violence investigation took place Now that he's been suspended for 6 games, subtract his time on the exempt list and...Voila! He will miss 1 more game How does this work as far as his salary? -gets paid while on exempt list -doesn't get paid/loses pro-rated signing bonus while suspended So does he have to pay back the salary he was paid while exempt? Or does the team "eat it" to get the player back?

They'll miss his 2 receptions in 7 games, For Sure. He surely did. Something tells me it wasn't a coincy-dink. Pacheco has been declared out for the game. Imagine the toll it's taking on McDermott as they try to prepare Concur with the bolded

Could be. On the other hand, you could be vastly underestimating it. Every snap of every player is filmed as you say; how much time does an OC have to give to viewing all of them for every player, especially when preparing for the next opponent during the season and during what, 2 weeks of roster evaluation post-season? Not the identity of any winning football culture - John Harbaugh with his distribution of "Nobody Cares. Work Harder" t-shirts being such a jolly guy, Bill Belicheck's sarcastic put-down type humor with the stuff from Gronkowski about Patriots players not having much fun (and intimations that Brady was unhappy with his treatment at the end) and all. I'm outta here. Congratulations @GoBills808 and others, you win! That should give you that contented, glowing feeling. All I know for sure is that this is a helluva handgrenade distraction to heave into the center of the Bills as they get ready to face the Chiefs.

Same

Do you think, I don't know, there might be some kind of middle ground here? Like, I don't know, having a handful (or even 25) people with whom one had conflict over the years, doesn't mean the person is completely incapable of relating to and forming relationships with others?

Right. So I'm talking about a part of it that was quoted - in fact, you quoted it. What's your point? To borrow your attitude here, are you saying you quoted it incorrectly or omitted a key part of the incident?

Obviously Diggs was brought in as a star on a big contract, and has had top-of-the-league performance that makes him desirable to other teams and drives his contract negotiations. But consider this: Hall was grading the WR position group in practice and games, and had input into decisions about whether and to what extent the group needed upgrades in FA and the draft. What if Hall's grades of Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie influenced the team's decision to go into the 2022 season with Gabe Davis as the #2 and Isaiah McKenzie as the slot, with no improvements besides Jamison Crowder and a 5th round rookie? What if Hall's grades during in-season practices influenced keeping McKenzie (part of the truck-buying crew) on the field and Shakir (not) on the bench? I'm not saying that the receivers intended the truck as a bribe, or that Hall looked at McKenzie and consciously thought "that guy participated in giving me a truck so Imma grade him better". But it's been extensively studied that how people treat us does influence how we perceive them, so there's that.

That's the sticking point I have with what I've seen of Dunne's article. He's clearly giving voice to one strong POV/interpretation about the situation - that McDermott was a dick who rained on a sweet, heartwarming gesture because he was, essentially, an insecure jellyfish who is mentally psychologically and physically able to form relationships with players. But there are other POV on the situation, which is that Hall was violating Covid rules by having a gathering, and that to accept a valuable gift from men you're supposed to be impartially grading every week and giving input to the coaches about, has a problematic side. Others can disagree, but those POV honestly exist. And those aren't very hard to perceive, really, but Dunne neither presents them as his own considered thoughts, nor apparently spoke with anyone who might present them (or if he did, he edited them out).

Correct. 4-12 following 8-8 got Reid the boot in Philly. Give it a rest. If you can't understand what's been several times explained by two people (that no one thinks the players intended it as a bribe), at least pretend.

With this I agree. But can you acknowledge that there's a lot of space between being a "prick" to your guys, and being so well liked that they gift you a truck?

@GoBills808, what crawled into you tonight? You're usually quite a reasonable poster with takes I like to read and who can engage in a good discussion where points get acknowledged and debated. Today, your responses seem like they're firing right left and long of the post you're responding to, and either deliberately not acknowledging or unable to recognize the point. It was said on social media that they were at a Christmas party at Hall's house when they brought him outside to see his truck. So they were inside, at a party. I Give Up. If you started here, it might be worth trying to engage, but since you started with "you think it's a bribe" to @HardyBoy (AFTER he explicitly said he didn't for one moment believe that), and then moved on to "it's only problematic because you guys feel it is" (ignoring any basis we stated)....yeah, I'm Out. You win. Feel good about that.

I hesitate to speak for @HardyBoy, but to the extent that I've opined here, that's not what I'm saying. And @HardyBoy has explictly said something to the effect of "I don't suppose for one minute the truck was intended as a bribe". So it's kind of weird that you come back with this. Let's assume that the hearts of the WR were totally pure. They LOVED their WR coach, they really felt he made a difference to them all, and they wanted to make him a gift he would truly appreciate. So they hatched the idea to get him a truck. The coach or coaches Dunne quoted saw it as an unmixed bag of Cool Beans "It's impossible for any sane person to watch this heartwarming video and not feel happy for Hall." Well, I'd like to think I'm a sane person and when I watched that video, honest to God I felt horror that the NFL was going to gobsmack the Bills for violating Covid rules. So that's one thing. It seems a legit concern for a HC to feel at the time, given that the NFL forced Denver to play without QB. What if the Bills being forced to play a game without any WR flashed before McDermott's eyes? Would that be legit cause to be "not pleased" by Hall having them all over to his house? The other point that is trying to be made here is that while the WR may have intended it as a gesture of pure love and respect, from the POV of a buck-stopping people manager, it factually has its problematic side, no matter how pure the intent was. And the stuff about why McDermott reacted negatively (jealous of a relationship he is mentally physically and psychologically incapable of) is purely the interviewee's opinion/interpretation, which I would call an attack on McD's character. The part about "zero relationship with the offensive players, none" seems to be contradicted by several instances and pieces of information.

Exactly. Consider Andy Reid. According to some Philly fan friends, back in 2007 when a judge was sentencing his sons Garrett and Britt to jail and referring to Reid's home as a "Drug Emporium" and the Reids as a "family in crisis", the word about Reid was "not good enough" as a HC. After all, between 2001 and 2004 when the Eagles lost 3 conference championships and a Superbowl, 2 of the 3 conf. losses were Thumpings and the SB loss showed Reid had poor gameday management and just couldn't Git 'Er Done. Now they knew why: his home life was a mess and he failed as a father. It was controversial (according to my friend) that Reid was retained, especially when the Eagles went 8-8 that year and 9-6-1 the next (and lost another conf. champ). Then there was the year the Reid-coached Chiefs lost in the playoffs AGAIN, and Dungy pronounced "the Kansas City Chiefs may win a championship, but it won't be with Andy Reid as their coach" Winning changes everything

Thank you for pointing this out. I acknowledge I haven't read the entire article and I'm not gonna subscribe to do so. But from what's been quoted and brought out, there's a weird gamish: 1) stuff that factually happened (9/11 as teamwork example, McDermott upset about Hall having a WR get together at Hall's house during covid and WR having such friendly feelings towards Hall that they gifted him a truck) 2) the interpretation the sources placed on things that happened (McDermott dunked on Hall for getting a truck because according to the source, McDermott is personally incapable of having close relationships with players and jealous of coaches who can) I don't think Dunne is making stuff up, and I think the stuff that he says happened, probably happened in some form. I think the interpretations placed on it, may or may not have veracity or be heavily skewed by the choice of sources.

Don't Know.

I don't know if it's true, but someone upthread said Dunne is close to disgruntled ex-employees Doug Whaley and Russ Brandon. He's also had ex-employee Jim Monos on his show a fair bit. I agree that it's probably looking out for Dunne's bottom line in drawing in subscribers rather than motivated as a hit piece but if two align, well.... ....and the Conspiracy Theorist at the back of my skull keeps poking me and saying "what if someone on the Chiefs paid Dunne off?"

I mean, Josh Allen has Justin Bieber and Frank Sinatra, so not sure of your point? Guys have to have the same musical taste before they can relate to people now?

It's my understanding the position coaches grade their players weekly on practice prep and game performance if they play. They aren't the determining voice as to whether or not a player is active - that would be the OC, DC, ST, HC, and Beane and ultimately HC But, they do have input. SIGNIFICANT input. I agree that if ALL the players were involved equally, it does minimize conflict of interest to some degree. But I can still see why it would be considered problematic: 1) Did the players contribute equally? If so, younger players on PS and cheap rookie deals might potentially feel a bit coerced vs guys on multi-million deals. IF not ad it becomes known, there's that Conflict of Interest risk. 2) Does it change the coaching picture? I could see where the coach might find it harder to "get in the Grill" of a player who, after all, participated in GIVING ME A BRAND NEW TRUCK 3) Then what about next year and the following year? That rookie and the newly-signed vet didn't GIVE YOU A TRUCK, so the conflict of interest is there. Why is Player M seeing the field so much more than Player S, who seems to have higher potential? Is he really grading out better in practice? Or does the truck gift weight the grading? Anyway, other assistant coaches are 100% entitled to feel that the truck was a super-cool super-moving story and McDermott Shat on the parade, but I'm kind of leaning towards the whole picture of what's reasonable, might be a bit more nuanced.