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Get the name right. They're now the "Kansas City Beefs"

Kind of prophetic in hindsight, given that 2-8.

Goodness! When did Mara say that? I noted a week ago, Daboll threw the game ball to Wink Martindale to show they're "all good now". They showed the clip last night. Damn, I was disappointed that GB didn't pull it off but when you turn the ball over 3 times (2 deep in your opponents territory or in their red zone), the odds are gonna be against you. Or maybe they wouldn't. What's your explanation for the Giants going from 9-7-1 to a 2-8 start (had Jones through week 6)? In that stretch when I watched them, they just didn't look like a well-coached well-prepared team on either offense or defense and there's Daboll screaming at Wink Martindale on the sideline. Maybe winning COTY as a 1st year HC and being the darling of NY media kind of went to 'ol Daboll's head a 'lil bit?

Well, I can't argue with the dumb and lazy characterization on Toney. The Giants gave up on him and slung him out of town for a bag of used socks for a reason.

Mahomes had 3 more plays to get them in FG range or score (an extra 2nd down due to penalty). He failed to take advantage. Personally, I hope Allen takes note of the complete disrespect for him that Mahomes behavior implies. If that play had stood, the Bills would have had more than a minute and all 3 time outs. By acting as though that's a walk-off-win if that play stands, Mahomes and Reid are disrespecting Allen and the Bills Offense completely, as though it's "Given" they would do nothing with that.

In the same spirit as "Paddy Melt" and "Grim Weeper", can we start calling KC the "Kansas City Beefs"?

Paddy Mahomes? Paddy Melt? Is that you? The 'Grim Weaper' himself?

Yes, it is. I hope sincerely this is something the Bills are trying to address with the league behind the scenes. They have the ability to take video/photos and send a package to the league and say "this is happening to our player, please be on the watch for it". I know....what if we had a thing where selected board members were given extra powers, like a broom that could sweep out these pesky things? Yeah, I think they designed that. I think that was their version of a "Philly Special" that they were waiting for a key moment in a key game to unveil.

I may be too hopeful, but I'm actually hoping it goes the other way. That the refs are going to be "OK, so you're complaining that we AREN'T calling all of the penalties you actually commit, LETSGOOOOO!!!!!!!!! If the Pats benefit from 17 illegal formation and false start penalties on their RT and 7 Offside penalties on Toney it would not make me sad at all. Edit to add while you're at it, call the DH and DPI and hands to the face and so forth, and calling an occasional OPI for the picks would be fine.

His "logic" is weird. You're right that Toney was more egregious about the called instance than most of the rest. But if you break a law repeatedly, it does not confer an obligation on the police officers to continue to overlook it. They can stop you for any instance, and "but officer, I've been driving through this intersection the same way for months now" is not a defense or a justification.

There was the Chiefs opening game against the Lions where their RT, Jamaal Taylor, was lining up in the backfield all game and false starting almost every snap. Even that noted Chiefs fan Cris Collinsworth was commenting on it. It was finally called on 4th and 20 on the Chiefs last drive, which gave the Chiefs an extra play at 4th and 25 instead of "game over". I bet Orlovsky had no problem with it being called then. Fortunately the Lions still won. It's totally screwed up logic. If you break the rules or break the law habitually, that does not give you a mandate to continue to break rules/laws. Those responsible for enforcement can still come after you on the 4th or the 24th or the 204th instance and it's still "on you" for breaking them. But that's how KC lives, actually. They have a RT who habitually lines up in an illegal formation and false starts. He's only been called for it 7 or 8 times all season. The focus, and the problem IMO, isn't "why call him for it now?" it's that it wasn't called the rest of the time. They do it on defense, too - habitual DH and DPI and hands to the face, called only a fraction of the time they commit those fouls

You gotta wonder what that guy teaches his kids as a father. Probably teaches them, if you shoplift the Starburst candies 7 times and the Security Guard stops you on the 8th time when you take 2, the Bad Mean Security Guard shouldn't have stopped you.

Well then. He finally gets the warning he wanted. I hope he gets a fine Oh, that's fantastic! Right up there with "Paddy Melt!"

Well, Dang, I was hoping the Titans would do us a friendly, but, they muffed their chance.

It’s a “partnership” with the Refs for Andy Reid. And Toney was only an “inch or two” off sides (but blocking the ref’s view of the ball) Well All Righty Then I would have been perfectly happy if the Zebras had thrown three flags on the play. One for the Offside, one for the illegal formation on the Chiefs RT, one for the pick play.

How so? I wouldn’t expect Josh to defend McDermott as a coach. This is the NFL, talking means nothing, coaches and players live and die by results.

Yeah, he throws right

Speaking personally, I don't think so, but de gustibus and all that.

He apparently apologized for that today, but I'd love to know if he actually reached out to Allen and what he said, if so. Public apologies for things said 1:1 in person are Weak Sauce. And folks have a point that if there weren't a missed infraction committed towards Allen on the Bills previous series, Mahomes isn't on the field.

This. I did not want to see Tom Brady win another Superbowl. But it was beautifully satisfying to me to watch the refs finally call penalties on the Chiefs DB for DPI and DH in that superbowl, which they had committed all AFCC game long against the Bills with no recourse for the Bills receivers. Some people get it early somehow 🤷‍♂️

That's because people with All-22, Cheffers speaking for the refs, and finally Reid and Toney himself acknowledge he did not check. Seems fair to me

Your math is correct. Average of 63.4 offensive snaps per game so 127 combined for both teams. One reason offensive Offside is relatively rare on a WR is that for a WR, it's a "things you learn in PeeWee Football" level mistake. WR who are outside, distant from the ball, learn to check with the LJ. WR who are closer to the ball, learn to check where they are relative to the ball. Now for OL, there's a different story. On some teams, the OTs "Chiefly" line up too far in the backfield, "illegal formation", so often they must be being coached to do that and taking the viewpoint they'll do it until and unless they're called for it early and often.

Yes, I think someone who had A22 said the play was an un-called "pick" by Toney.

Yes, a couple of people upthread pointed out the Covid Rules aspect. We were told it was a non-issue because the league didn't react so a problem never existed - as though it's not part of the job of the HC to anticipate and head off such issues before we added the Buffalo Bills WR-less Game to the Denver Broncos QB-less Game It was also pointed out that if you're part of a group of subordinates who gave your boss what to him is a Big Ass Gift, it can call into question whether the Boss might soften his approach and not get up in your "Grill" as hard at times when it's needed. Or whether the Boss might subtly (and perhaps unconsciously) favor those who participated in last year's Big Give over new additions who did not participate. There are reasons why large upward gift giving is discouraged or prohibited in many organizations, but apparently those of us who think it might be a legit concern are just off in Left Field. 🤷‍♂️ Figuratively speaking, of course!

I don't want to turn this into Ty Dunne thread Part II, but over in that thread some of the quotes Dunne used absolutely rise to the level of questioning his qualities as a person - functionally describing McDermott in a way that's usually inconsistent with being a good person. Part of being a good person is having a degree of empathy for others, and treating other people well. Some of the anonymous sources Dunne quoted described McDermott: "He has zero relationship with the offensive players. Zero. None. Absolutely zero. He’s insecure. He wants the relationship that he can’t have with the players. Because he’s not physically, mentally, or socially able to.” "Narcissist" has become a pop-psych buzzword for a spectrum that ranges from normal and healthy concern for one's own self-interest (like keeping your job) to extreme forms where people are self-absorbed to a pathological degree where they don't understand that other people's feelings exist, a psychosocial disability. If you describe someone as not "physically, mentally, or socially" able to have relationships with players; insecure and jealous of people who do - IMO, you're describing them as having narcissism to the degree of it being a psychosocial disability incompatble with being a good person. Well, sure. And at the risk of harping, when a coaching assistant Dunne anonymously quoted said that Mcdermott is "insecure" "jealous" and something to the effect of "mentally and psychologically incapable of having relationships with players", they were speaking of McDermott's traits as a person. Were they not?