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When I saw Josh Allen's post game where he talked about McDermott as one of the best people on the planet, I thought he seemed as though he were containing anger. He's made it clear since that he considers he has a solid relationship with McDermott - maybe not a 'buddy' relationship where they smoke cigars and trade stupid bets and BBQ together like he did with Daboll, but a solid coaching relationship with a personal "I care about you off the field" component. Then this from Mitch. It's clear that whoever Dunne quoted as saying McDermott has "zero" relationship with any of the offensive players because he's "mentally physically and psychologically incapable" of it, is mistaken. Period. McDermott clearly said the right thing at the right time for Mitch Morse, and Morse will never forget it. Given how vehement the man-of-few-words Big Ed has been, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a story there too. Maybe McDermott reached out to him after his 2020 DWI arrest/charges (charges dropped in August after blood test results showed no substances) and offered timely words of belief and encouragement that Ed will never forget, either.

Riiiiiiiight. Beane and the rest of the Front Office aren't looking at dead cap hits and trade value and last year's grading and anything like that. They're making their decisions just based on which players the fans like. 🙄

I think it's pretty clearly OPI because Toney actually turns and slams his BACK into Benford. He gets up to Lewis and Benford and his apparent desire to run a route or to show his #s to Mahomes evaporates. I posted some pics in the X's and O's thread, of course don't show what a moving picture does, but as a sales job it was entirely unpersuasive. And also moot, since there was already a flag thrown at the snap.

Well, that pick play that the Chiefs used to spring Kelce open might work for Diggs..... ....seriously though, one of the differences between being a 26 yr old athlete, and a 30+ athlete, is that it just takes longer to heal up from every ding. One of the funniest football interviews I heard was between Zo Alexander and Steve Smith Sr - I've forgotten the show they were on, but they really got talking back and forth. Topics were taking care of their bodies, how young guys just roll out of bed on Monday and Tuesday and as they get older it was "nuh uh, Not Today, give me that deep acupuncture, give me that massage" Anyway it's a good question whether it's how he's being used, or whether he's picked up some bruises and bumps and nagging dings that are hindering him. He does get extracurricular hits and twists on almost every play, despite the best efforts of his teammates to get there fast and shut things down.

Wow, that really pisses me off. McAfee going on as though that wouda been a "walk off touchdown" instead of leaving like 1:15 or whatever it was on the clock and 3 time outs for the Bills and Josh Allen to work with. I hope Allen and the Bills offense are taking receipts because that just seems like total disrespect, as though Allen has never led a go-ahead TD scoring drive with a minute on the clock in Arrowhead against the Chiefs.

I kind of feel as though the Commissioner is engaged in a real-life version of the story of the farmer who helped his pocketbook by cutting the food his horse got every day. He cut it day by day until just when he got the horse down to eating nothing, the damned horse died. American fans love football for one or another reason (tradition, the mental chess match aspect, the physicality). Outside the US, football means the game we call soccer. For the sake of short term boosts in the bottom line, Goodell is taking more and more football away from the lifeblood that feeds it, the American fans who love the game.

This may have been upthread here and my search missed it. Pretty thorough and nuanced look at the Patty Melt Eisen is a bit of an apologist for Mahomes but ties in a bunch of things - like the Bradberry "holding" penalty in the Superbowl with 1:54 left on 3 and 8, that helped the Chiefs defeat the Eagles by giving them a new set of downs to run out the clock before kicking the winning FG. Eisen points out the ref could have let that holding call go, as other holding calls are let go at different points in that game and others. He also touches on the general fan (and probably coach and player) frustration with officiating: both the Bradberry and the Toney penalty were correct calls by rule, but what about all the times a call is made incorrectly?

Bizarreness is as Bizarreness does? I thought your response was bizarre myself (obviously) You'd do you, but I've already said why from what I know, that's not how most football players would think about it especially young guys trying to earn a spot in the starting rotation. And players who do are kind of given the side-eye - remember the reactions to Russ Wilson talking about how he handled his hammy injury on the plane to London? If it's that well known, wouldn't opponents just target accordingly?

Depends on if they knew the specifics and extent of the injury. If they didn't, perhaps? The NFL has weasel wording in there defining whether or not an injury is "reportable". If the injury limits the player's participation in practice or for a game, it's reportable. If it's to a "key player", it's reportable. Otherwise, if it doesn't impact the player's ability to participate in practice or cause him to miss a game, apparently not. You can read about it here if you like, weasel words and all https://operations.nfl.com/media/2683/2017-nfl-injury-report-policy.pdf Elam showed up on the injury report Week 7 (NWE) and Week 8 (TAM), and then went on IR week 9. I can easily see a scenario where Elam was reporting to the training room for treatment on "ankle soreness" and getting PT, but wasn't getting better or even got worse after playing near the whole game vs. Jax Wk 5 and the whole game vs the Giants Wk 6, so they sent him for another MRI and a surgical consult.

I was responding to why Elam might not have wanted to disclose his pre-season injury while he was still trying to play through it. I'm really unsure what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting that reporters should track an injured player down at home or stake out the entrance to the Bills sports medicine facility and jump him to get a story? That sounds kind of creepy and stalker-ish to me. Injured players aren't required to be in the areas of the building accessible to the press, they're not required to make themselves available to the press.

This isn't pretty: players target their opponents injuries. For that reason, players who are dinged up don't want to show on the injury report unless they miss enough practice that the league requires it of them. Players who are actually injured don't want to disclose specifics of their injuries. Plus, all that aside, some players like to preserve their medical privacy. I wonder if it originally wasn't diagnosed as torn, or if it was only slightly torn but then tore worse.

What did you make of Josh's remarks?

Does Parsons always line up on the RT? Doesn't he move around? Say more about the metrics or observations that lead you to tag Brown as "better than average", please? How. Do. I. Get. Video. Of. This. Corgi Races 😍

I'll play resurrectionist on this thread. @HoofHearted & others, wonder if you could kindly do a break down on what the coverage should have been on the "Toney Offside" play? We all saw how open Kelsey was. It's my impression that Christian Benford was supposed to be covering Kelsey and Toney picked him hard. 1) Is that corrrect or should Cam Lewis/someone else have covered Kelsey when he crossed in front of them? 2) If it should have been Benford, what should Benford have done to avoid getting "boxed out" of the play like he was? Apologize for not the best image quality or sequence, but this is what I'm talking about 0. Dane Jackson on Toney, but releases to take up Noah Grey. Kelsey has free release but looks to me like Benford has him [Edit: that's not Dane Jackson, it's Taron Johnson. Brain fart on my part] 1. Lewis on Toney, but Benford right there - is Benford expecting Lewis to leave Toney to him and Lewis cover Kelsey? 2. My best try at catching when Toney turns his back and slams his body into Benford Again, apologize for not better pics And please folks, let's NOT talk about the pre-snap penalty sitch here, I'm hoping to get some insight into what the coverage was on the play and what went wrong to leave Kelsey so open.

Jerruh can not "eat most of Diggs cap hit". Diggs cap hit if traded will consist of amortized bonuses which do not get traded. Especially the hit in the Jets game, a personal foul, after the whistle and totally uncalled for - I don't understand why the league doesn't stand up more against those.

I can always be surprised - I often am - but I would be very surprised to see the Bills trade Diggs, or Dallas trade for Diggs From the Bills side: 1) Diggs would count $31.1M dead cap if cut or traded. At $27.85M cap hit, it is literally "cheaper to keep him" for the Bills in 2024. 2) He is still, by far, the best WR on the Bills team. Every Bills fan is talking about how we need more options at WR for Josh, not how we need to get rid of the best and try to back-fill him, while simultaneously trying to upgrade for Gabe Davis. From the Dallas side: 1) They exercised the 5th year option on CeeDee Lamb for $17.99M in 2024. Capology generally holds that a team paying its QB can not afford to be simultaneously paying top $$ to two WR. And CeeDee Lamb has done very well for Dallas. He's their #1 guy for reals - #3 WR in the league right now with a 73% catch % 2) Dallas also has Michael Gallup under contract for 3 more years, with a $13.8M cap hit and $13.1M dead cap if they move on. Gallup is an OK #2. He's not been as productive for Dallas as Davis has been for us. 3) I'm sure Dallas would love to upgrade Gallup for Diggs, but Diggs 2024 salary is $18.5M and it fully guarantees in March. And, like I said, $13.1 dead cap on Gallup if they trade or cut him. 4) That's not even mentioning the notion of Diggs going to Dallas to be #2 to CeeDee Lamb. I'm sure Diggs would love to be traded to a team as their #2 guy (NOT). Diggs brother is just daydreaming in public.

Rookies always have a learning curve. At this juncture, wouldn't it make more sense to give Shakir or Cook or Kincaid those few more snaps?

Oh, come now. Spill the Tea.

Really well put. Mahomes was carrying on as though the flag was a walk-off loss. Instead he got a repeat of the down, and 2 more downs, three tries to convert, AND if the play had stood, the Bills did still have time, timeouts, and Josh Allen. Toney didn't just catch the lateral. Kelce was open because in a pretty blatant pick play (my opinion) Toney wiped out the defender who was covering Kelce. That's a penalty, too. And, as usual, the Chiefs RT was lined up in an illegal formation well into the backfield. There could have been three separate flags on that play.

Thanks. So it's being reported by Tom Curran. He's legit, Patriots Insider with NBCSports Boston. I don't think there's someone quite similar with the Bills but a while back it would be like Vic Carruci reported it, or now a days like if Sal Capaccio and Thad Brown had a sports reporter child. That's a disturbing image, actually, I think I'd best log out.

I don't think we're going to see Daquan Jones until he has been "designated to return" and has participated in practice for a couple of weeks. Even if his pec is ready to go, he needs to build back into "game shape"

I see a lot of tweets (or whatever they're called now" referencing this "NBC report", but where is the link to said NBC Report, and who is the NBC reporter who made it?

I'm sorry, but the OP post referenced the Fins C injury as "The cards keep falling Buffalo's way". I'm not feeling sorry for the Fins, but viewing their C's injury as a card falling our teams way is a Bridge too Far IMHO. You do You though.

That's a reasonable take. The whole premise of the Bills FO last season was that they didn't need to replace Sanders or Beasley because Davis and McKenzie were ready to step up, with Jamison Crowder and rookie Khalil Shakir as Plan B. That premise did not prove out and Plan B was from outer space.

It was pointed out in the post-game thread that KC's defense is one of the best in the league against the pass. 4th in pass Y/A, tied for 3rd in sacks, 3rd in sack %, 5th in QB hits, 2nd for pressure %, 5th for hurry %. So while I'd love to see more investment in OL, esp. at C and RT, it has to be understood that even the very best pass protecting OLs are not going to keep their QB looking comfortable in the pocket against the very best pass defenses. There have to be other strategies available.