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I agree Tre is one of the trickiest decisions facing the team. I'm really curious where you're getting ACL takes 18 full months of recovery but Achilles is 8 months. I don't think that matches data on actual RTP time

The physical Tre has to pass isn't to show he has returned to form. His Achilles injury has to have healed, that's all. He doesn't have to have completed rehab to maximal performance. The timeline for healing up and being able to walk post Achilles surgery is about 3 months. Tre should be there in early March. And teams write contracts so that bonuses get paid 5 days into the new league year for just this reason - so they can bring players in, give them a physical, and say "OK, your injury has healed".

Your last sentence is an interesting point. I go back and forth on this. On the one hand, in 2021 after Tre was injured, we won 4 games with Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson playing CB and the two we lost (the wind tunnel NE game and the OT loss to Tampa) were arguably more gaps in run D than coverage. One could make an argument that McD's defense has been able to plug-n-play CBs and not miss a beat (Dane Jackson, Christian Benford, etc). Some people have said that we run a very CB friendly scheme. But then I have to ask whether having a 2020/early 2021 level Tre White would have made a difference in the 13 second game or in this year's playoff loss to KC where we were starting a hampered Rasul Douglas and Dane Jackson at CB. L'Jairus Sneed has become a true shutdown corner and McDuffie is also high grade and that clearly made a difference in all KC's playoff games this season and the Championship. So clearly at some point and against the best teams, the quality of the DBs does make a difference. To your first point: after an Achilles tear, it's not Tre's mind I'm so worried about. It's objectively a hard injury to return from. One study says 57% RTP, with a decrease in performance noted especially for defensive players. That was 2010 to 2016, so medicine and rehab do improve all the time and hopefully it's better now. Apparently there are all sorts of objective metrics that decrease (the downward force the athlete can exert to jump or plant or change direction for example. Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you found it useful. It would not shock me if the Bills cut Tre because they assess him as not being able to return at a high level. It would not shock me if they kept him, either. I think there's a significant chance of either, and only the people working with Tre on his rehab really know.

This seems to represent a misunderstanding of what an injury settlement is, and how it is used. An injury settlement is something a team reaches, usually with a young player on a 1 year contract or a multi year contract without much in the way of bonuses or guaranteed money. Such players often have a "split" in their contract, where they're paid less per game while they're on IR. So, if that player is on IR and unlikely to be brought back, but thinks they will be healed and ready to play before the season is over, it may be in that player's interest to get cut and try to catch on with another team. Since the team can't, by CBA, release an injured player, the "injury settlement" is the solution. The team and the player's rep negotiate the number of weeks the injury is expected to take to heal, the team pays the player for that number of weeks, and the player is released and is free to negotiate with other teams. There's nothing in Tre White's situation that makes an injury settlement applicable. He should be considered healed from his actual Achilles rupture and repair. Whether that allows him to play at a pre-injury level, is a different question, but the Bills can cut him AFAIK. Tre White has $10.3M in dead cap for the Bills, which represents signing, option, and restructure bonus money already paid to him. The only circumstance I know of under which teams get any of that money back, is if a player under contract retires - and that, usually only if the player retires before he's played a significant amount after signing the contract, otherwise they file a grievance and apparently often win. The money is currently amortized over 2024 and 2025, the two remaining years on Tre's contract. He is due $10.4M of new cash, in the form of relatively small workout and roster bonuses, a $1.5M roster bonus due early in the new league year, and $10.5M of cash - none of which is guaranteed. When you add in his bonuses, that gives him a cap hit of $16.4 M this year. The Bills can cut him. They can also re-negotiate the cash he is due, and incentivize to allow him to re-earn it. Tre might prefer to play for a lesser amount of money here, than to be cut and have to fight for a chance to prove he can return from the Achilles, I don't know. But that won't be an injury settlement.

Yet. No homicide or assault charges yet. From the article you link: "additional charges are expected"

That too, plus the decision to charge his parents. But I believe his name came out well before the charging decisions. The teacher who took a photo of his drawing, the admins who called his parents in for a conference earlier that day, and the parents of his fellow students were not bound to confidentiality, and spoke to the press. The juvenile justice system is bound to confidentiality

I'll save you the trouble of thinking about the difference between maintaining confidentiality when a fellow student, well known to many of his fellow students teachers and school admins, commits a heinous act vs. two juveniles who were likely anonymous to the people around them (and protected by "snitches get stitches" to those who do know them) Nice username by the way.

Apologies if I missed it in scanning through the debates here, but 10 people shot is low. 22 people hurt 9 children shot among the 11 children injured and treated at Children's Mercy. All expected to recover 8 adult gunshot patients, two in critical condition Death is 44 yr old local DJ, married mother of 2 Some sources say 21 shot so may be some more treated elsewhere or treated and released

They're juveniles. "Ton of prior arrests including felonies" does not seem likely. https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-kansas-city-chiefs-super-bowl-celebration-investigation/story?id=107254077 They haven't been publicly named/identified because they are juveniles. The third suspect was determined to not be involved and was released. There may have been others involved, that's being looked at.

"Unintentionally back stabbing n hurting Spence" I mean, sometimes bad things do happen unintentionally. You start gesticulating as you talk at a party and unintentionally knock over a glass of wine, or a vase. You step back and unintentionally bump into someone You're trying to be quiet late at night and unintentionally step on the dog in the dark hallway, causing Rover to ruckus How do you "unintentionally" type something on twitter about a teammate (that is hurtful) and hit "enter" to publish it? I mean, seriously? Weak, Mongo. Weak.

Um....are you saying that like it's a good thing?

I'd really like to have a backup I have some confidence could actually present a bit of a threat of a passing game. I have little confidence in Kyle Allen, and less in Mitch Trubisky after seeing him here and with the Steelers. With the Steelers especially he was just baaaad. Needs a brain?

You do know that if the 49ers hadn't muffed a punt on their own 16 yd line, or if McCloud had just fallen on the damned ball instead of trying to pick it up, we would likely be having a very different discussion today? How did Shanahan cause that? Then, the blocked extra point. How did Shanahan cause the kicker to kick it low enough to be blocked? Look, X's and O's matter. But when you have two very good teams playing each other, the Jimmies and the Joes also matter. Reid had some calls that I thought weren't the best either. Bottom line, San Francisco committed more unforced errors, including one that gift-wrapped a TD for KC. I'm ordinarily a big one for saying that you can't change one play, but that fumble on the SF 16 yd line was a game changer for sure. It didn't help Shanahan to lose Greenlaw and go down to their 3rd string RG, either. I'm not trying to make excuses - KC played well and won the game. My point is that when two very good teams play, the media narrative will invariably paint the winners as the genius dynasty and the losers as bumblers. But under the hood, it will often turn on a few key plays - that muffed punt fumble; an injury or two; not being prepared to stop Mahomes runs at the end of the game; etc

Exactly! How did you know?!

You ought to frequent a better class of forum then. That’s baloney. Under the old OT rules, if the first team to possess scored a FG, the other team got the ball and a chance to score. The new overtime rule did not apply today. So indeed, that other forum you were on made this stuff up.

Not just directed at you, but I get a bit frustrated at people who don't learn the basics about how NFL contracts are structured and how they work with regard to the cap in the case of a trade or cut. So they say something like this, and other people "like" or agree with them. There is no way that I know of (and I have tried to learn about this) to decrease Diggs cap hit to the Bills in the case of a trade. Diggs cap hit this season is $27.9M. Of that cap hit, 2/3 is Diggs salary of $18.4M, which is not guaranteed until 5 days into the new league year in March. The salary would go to the trade partner, although there have been deals where the trading team agrees to pay part of the salary. BUT the Bills cap hit from Diggs would INCREASE not decrease if Diggs were traded. This is because teams are allowed to pro-rate or amortize up-front bonus payments over the length of the contract (and even beyond it, by adding on "void years"). This is money Diggs has already been paid up-front, and per the collective bargaining agreement he can not be asked to return any part of it to the Bills, (unless he retires). It all accelerates into 2024 if he is traded or cut, totalling $31.1M. The Bills could trade Diggs post-June 1, and divide his cap hit into $8.85M of amortized bonus payments due this year, and $22.25M due next season. BUT, that would mean the Bills must account for all $27.9 of Digg's cap until after June 1, AND his $18.5M salary would guarantee - so if the trade partner backed out or Diggs didn't pass their physical, the Bills would owe it all. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/

Diggs contract isn’t that bad to a trade partner. It slots him in about 15-17 in average value. But yeah. that’s not the performance you trade a 1st for either

So lemme get this straight. You're saying that the Texans would trade something of significant value (to make up for the cap hit we'd take) for Diggs (age 30, 13th in receiving yards), in order to pay Diggs $18.5M this year, $18 next year, and $19M in 2026, because they still have Collins (age 24, 8th in receiving yards) on a cheap contract through 2024 and they might have to franchise tag him (last year WR franchise tag was $19.7M) if they can't reach agreement on a deal? So the Texans may not want to go to the draft for a top WR because you have to hit the pick correctly, but the Bills (who lack the cap $$ to sign a top FA) should trade away Diggs and put themselves in a position where they absolutely MUST go to the draft and hit the pick correctly? Make it make sense

2022 off-season: Baker: "No, Coach, I don't suck. I didn't suck in 2020 when the team went 11-5, won a playoff game, and I threw 26 TD and 8 INT. I'm playing hurt - because you asked me to take one for the team and play hurt in 2021." Stefanski: "The organization has decided to make an upgrade, we're trading you to Carolina and signing a real franchise guy, Deshaun Watson" Baker: "FML" 2024 off-season: Baker: "Hi Coach, I started 17 games, 28 TD, 10 picks, 64% completions, 238 ypg this past season in Tampa. Playoff win, and I'm hungry to come back and show I can do better. How are you liking your upgrade? 12 games started in 2 years, 59.8% completions, 14 TD and 9 INT, and 185 ypg must make your life sweet as a coach." Stefanski: "FML" You thought that because he HAS been mediocre for most of the 12 starts in 2 years he had with the Browns. He's shown occasional flashes of the QB he was back in 2020 - something like 3 games (of 12) where Browns fans got their hopes up - but that's all he's shown so far.

In TBN, there's an article about this. Jay Skurski interviewed him while he was walking from interview to interview. Apparently, in between, Subway was filming advertisements with Josh, so I expect Subway minions were following him around with Subway tube refills and carrying the tube for him. To this, I'm like: "Josh, Seriously?" The man has earned $113M from the Bills so far. He's got $30M in new cash due this season ($23.5M of which fully guaranteed last year) and $39M next season, with $99M dead cap hit in '24 and $54.6M dead cap hit in '25. He has no reason to be there grinding through interviews and filming advertisements for Subway unless he wants to do that.

Josh has talked about this. While he started working with Jordan Palmer before the draft in 2018 and Palmer did help with the over-striding and some issues, Allen still struggled with touch throws and accuracy on short passes. He was throwing with his arm and shoulder, only. His accuracy really improved when he re-worked his throwing motion with the help of a company called Biometrek and its founder, Chris Hess. Here's a good article about that process https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/01/24/Technology/josh-allen-embraces-technology-to-transform-himself-from-loose-cannon-to-maybe-a-3d-mvp.aspx I could be totally wrong, but I have the feeling that Josh is a little disenchanted with Jordan Palmer. Allen elevated Palmer's business for developing QB. Allen seems like a very private person, and he may not be too thrilled with the extent Palmer has spoken about him and sometimes it seems, for him, in the media. I'm pretty sure Allen will go back to Chris Hess at Biometrex. He may or may not choose to work with Palmer and that's OK, provided he's working with Hess on his mechanics and with someone who can record him and help him implement during throwing sessions, and with someone who can help him improve his field vision and decision making (I'm not sure Palmer is that guy). What I think is promising is that the last two off-seasons, Josh has understandably talked about needing some time to rest and re-set, and somewhat proudly (I thought) talked about how little he did until OTAs (where he was unclear about whether he was talking about initial OTAs in March or minicamp in June). This year, he is talking about how he wants to get "back in the lab" and work with guys off season. He also talked about how he needs to improve his decision making and how he sees the field. Josh's track record is that when he sets his mind to something as a goal he needs to achieve, he does. So I feel positive that he's talking about mechanics and decision making.

2:58:50 Got a link? NvM, I do:

Agreed, but when is it?

I see what you did there

I can't think of a situation where the player agrees to convert bonus money he has already been paid back to salary so that it can be transferred to the new team I could be mistaken on this point, but I also think it's not allowed for a trade partner to repay the trading team for bonus money. We have had trades where the trading team agrees to take on part of the guaranteed salary, or where the player even agrees to a salary cut (this happened with Case Keenum I believe?) or a renegotiated future contract as part of the trade - But that's different than the player handing back bonuses he's already been paid, or the trade partner repaying the trading team for money they've already paid. But I'd be happy to learn about this way, tell me more?