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I suspect you're right. The difference, to me, is that people can analyze what our offense was doing or not doing from actual film of actual games, and analyze Allen's actual performance in games - the throws he took, or didn't take - and come up with fact-based ideas of what needs to get fixed both with the offense and with Allen's game as a pro-QB. Which, I'll say it, as good as it was, could be better. We could have conversations about that. But this whole nit-picking thread "does Josh still work as hard in the off-season" based on little information about how the man actually spends his off-season is crap.

You know, there's a lot of room between saying or considering something bad about Allen - which, I actually do, up thread here? and just Making ***** Up, which seems to be what a lot of people are doing in this thread, based on.....wait, let me see....absolutely no factual knowledge or information.

The Bills social media team? Of course they wouldn't be on top of it. Do you think it's the Chiefs social media team putting out that photo of Mahomes in the gym with Rice and Brown? Hint: It is not. The NFL/NFLPA CBA has strict rules about off-season coach and team contact with players. Having the Bills social media team "on top of it" would give the appearance of a team-sanctioned or team-supported or even team-organized workout, which would be a big No No. If (say) Josh had receivers staying at his house in Cali and working out at a local field, but told them all "I like to keep my off-season private, no Instagrams please" do you think they'd post anyway? Or would they respect him? How do you know Mahomes holds "annual offseason camps"? How long are these camps? Where and when are they? Let's hear the details since you're informed. While you're at it, Allen had a UCL tear mid-season last year. What were his medical advisors directions for his off-season workouts? He had a shoulder sprain mid season this year. What were his medical team's directions for his off season this year? Tell us about that. I'm not saying Mahomes hasn't or won't hold sessions with his receivers or isn't 'driven', but "holding annual camps" from a single photo in a gym and maybe a mention of some guys working out with him last off season seems like a creation. And truthfully, the KC offense started the season rather out-of-sync and finished 15th in points scored. They had 8 games decided by 7 points or less, 4 of which they lost, and were carried in many games by their kick-ass #2 defense. The Bills, for all the complaining here, finished 6th in offense. The difference is: KC put it all together and won the games when it counts, offense and defense. Just maybe ........ an off season "receiver camp" (or workout) doesn't move the needle too much on how aligned the QB and receiver actually are during the start of the season?

How would "asking ourselves" provide this information? Does the person you're speaking to actually know Sean McDermott? Do you? We have as little idea about what McDermott does in the off-season to be a better HC, as we do about the details of Allen's off-season work other than that he was seen in Paris with Hailee Steinfeld one day (he was photographed and it was posted on social media, so it happened). I'm not on Team Keep McDermott, but the bit about "replace with any other HC and the team still wins the division" is pretty clearly baloney.

It is pretty clear that last season, our offense wasn't good enough at times and certainly in our opening game against the Jets Josh played pretty poorly. So whatever went into that, needs to get fixed, and Josh needs to start the season dialed in. I have my ideas what that is, but I don't know for sure.

The point is: we don't know if our newly signed receiver has or has not met with our QB. What we know is, it hasn't shown up on social media. We also know our QB likes to keep his private life private and talked about deleting his social media (he has a twitter and instagram but they look like they're in the hands of an agent and just re-post other people's stuff and advertising committments). IIRC, Dalton Kincaid mentioned during one interview early in last season "working with Josh" after the draft last off season, but nothing was posted on SM or said at the time (so it must not have happened) and we have people here posting about how Josh never meets with receivers off season. We also don't know the scope of the abovementioned and pictured workout - weeks? days? a day? lifting? throwing? But hey, it's a picture on social media so it must be a Big Thing showing Big Things. Yes, it shows they have a good culture and mentality. Good for them. But again - the absence of stuff on social media doesn't mean the absence of stuff. People in this day and age seem to get confused about that. You don't know whether Allen met or plans to meet with Samuel or anyone else. but this post of yours drips with assuming they didn't or won't.

It depends on how they play. I'll put it out there, from what I've seen of Fields, I haven't been that impressed. Pickett has shown flashes to me - I would have liked to see him behind a decent OL. But, look at what Pittsburgh is paying Wilson. Vet minimum - $1.2M. Fields is getting $3.23M Tomlin has a history of benching QB if they're not meeting his standard for how they play and not giving a rat's ass if the guy he puts on the field has a shorter pedigree or was drafted lower or is getting paid more. See Hodges, Duck. Wilson is in "Pole Position", that's all we know. I'm not saying Fields will play. I'm just saying Wilson's leash may be shorter than you think, and Tomlin won't be afraid to yank on it. I'd laugh except the Bills just re-signed Mitch Trubisky

Is your metric for how hard someone is working in the off season, what they post on social media?

That he stopped doing as much because he believes the difference between himself and Pat Mahomes is a coin flip? Baloney. Receipts or it never happened. What took you so long?

I mean, none of us knows exactly how hard Josh works in the off season, right? Anyone here his neighbor on Dana Point? Walk Jordan Palmer's dog? Stake out the parking lot outside Chris Hess' business? Got motion activated cameras on all the HS and college fields within reasonable driving distance? Don't forget to put some kind of high tech bit logger on his internet so you can tell if he's breaking down football film, or gaming. So let me get this straight - you want to start with a topic where no one here knows ***** about how Josh works now vs. how he used to work. Then you want to have us all wildly speculate, and call it a conversation? That's it? That's what's going on here?

Did they say whether Williams nomm'd down on it? At one point after he'd been here a year or two Cole Beasley revealed that when he landed in Buffalo to do his physical and sign after agreeing to his deal, some fans met him at the airport with chicken wings. The host of the show asked kind of incredulously "did you eat them?" Beasley said "yeah, I ate them - they were GOOD!"

Congratulations! You've become this year's Lucky Winner of the "I believe these guys on our roster are JAGS, thus we should trade them...and because they are JAGS, other teams will be salivating to swap our late 1st for their top-10 1st!" The Bills used two 2nd round picks to move from #12 to #7 for Allen. They had previously used Cordy Glenn (who played 2 more years for Cincy) to move from #21 to #12. Are you honestly suggesting that as we stand today, teams would see Knox and Jackson as better than a LT and 2 2nd round picks?

No one is trading Aiyuk or a 1st round pick for Diggs.

I hadn't thought of that - Good one

Again, Dude, Please Stop. You've been beating this drum over and over and over again in the Diggs thread, where it's at least topical. Now you're gonna run around the board taking this into other threads? It's an extra $22 million (minus whatever part of the $18.5M fully guaranteed salary the trade partner is willing to accept) at this point PLUS Creating a significant hole on the team by trading the best WR on the team, and the only 1000+ yd, 100 reception+ receiver we've had for the last 4 seasons. This isn't like trading Tyreek Hill where Kelce is Pat Mahomes "guy" anyway. Most people last season felt what the Bills needed was a second receiving target who is on the same or better talent level than Diggs, so "draft a WR who we hope will be good and develop to be a #1" not "replace Diggs with an unproven draft pick and cross your little fingers"

The Browns owe Cooper $20M in salary and if he's traded, that $20M goes with him. You can tell because that's the "Yearly Cash" bucket. The Browns would save all $20M in salary by trading Cooper, it would all go to their trade partner. Void years are a cap tool that divides a signing, restructure, or option bonus into more and smaller pieces. But the bonuses are money already paid, so when the player is traded, they stay with the trading team, not the trade partner. The Dead Cap of $11.328M the Browns would take on if they traded Cooper would be from his $3.776M restructure bonus for 2024, and the 2 void years, accelerating into this season. 3 x $3.776 = $11.328

Since you already "took one for the team" and listened, can you give us a summary of why Boomer Esiason believes this? I don't follow the Jets enough to know who are their key defenders and offensive players, thus who have they lost vs signed? I know they had something like 21 FA and have re-signed like 3 of them while signing 7 FA from other teams, but I don't know whether they're all backups/bit players or what the scoop is, other than signing Tyrod Taylor and Mike Williams and backup DT and former Bill Quinton Jefferson signing in CLE.

Just curious: What do you believe it would take to trade up from #28 to #4 in the first round? IIRC, in 2018, pre-draft, the Bills owned their own #1 pick (#22) and KC's #1 pick in the 1st round. They also had 2 2nd round picks (their own, and LA Rams) Pre draft, the Bills traded Cordy Glenn to Cinncinnati to move up from #21 to #12. So starting LT for 9 spots. During the draft, they traded pick #12 AND both 2nd round picks to move up from #12 to #7 (Bills got back a late 7th) from Tampa. So 2 2nd round picks to move up 5 spots. So to go from #21 to #7 cost a former pro-bowl LT still playing at a high level, and 2 2nd round picks. Now you want them to go from #28 to #4, so what would that take?

I believe it was posted Samuel played 70%-ish from the slot during his career best year to date, with Joe Brady as his OC in CAR

Irrespective of any questions of happiness/unhappiness, I agree that Diggs looks to be at the point where his performance is starting to wane. Which means his ROI for pay vs performance is on its the way to dropping below his cost. But because of the way his contract is structured, I don't see it as possible to move him this season. And if the "chatter" you reference is correct that he's a frustrated unhappy camper playing on a team that's been 13-3, 11-6, 13-3, 11-6 during his tenure and with one of the best QB in the game throwing to him, I would think it would disincline trade partners to line up and bid for him. After all, this would be the second winning team on which he was frustrated and unhappy; the Vikes were 11-5, 13-3, 10-6 3 of his 5 years there, during which he had a top-10 passing QB throwing to him and went to a conf. championship. If you're unhappy in one location on a successful team: maybe it's them, maybe it's you. If you're unhappy in a second location on a second successful team: well, there's one element in common.

I can't read it (must be something on the page my browser doesn't like) I like what I found on Wiki better Washington Football Team / Commanders[edit] On October 14, 2020, Toohill was claimed off waivers by the Washington Football Team.[6] In Week 6 of the 2021 season, Toohill recorded his first career sack on Kansas City Chiefs' quarterback, Patrick Mahomes.[7] He had his first career start in Week 11 against the Carolina Panthers in place of Chase Young, who was placed on the team's injured reserve. On December 11, 2021, he was placed on COVID-19 reserve list; Toohill was forced to sit out the Week 14 game against the Dallas Cowboys, but reactivated a week later.[8] In Week 10 of the 2022 season, Toohill scored his first career touchdown in a victory over the then-undefeated Eagles; he recovered the ball in a failed lateral pass from Eagles' receiver DeVonta Smith and returned it 1 yard to the end zone in the final play of the game.[9] In the 2023 season, Toohill was elevated in the defense's starting lineup before Week 9; following Week 8, the Commanders had traded both of their original starting defensive ends, Chase Young and Montez Sweat.[10] 6'5", 250 lb, 4.62 s 40-time. 39" vertical. Started 8 games last season, had 5 sacks 7 QB hits, a PD, and 26 tackles (17 solo), in 45% of the defensive snaps. NFL Draft Profile: Assuming he signed for cheap, sounds like a guy who could have some potential to develop, at least as depth. What I like about this, is per his draft scouting report coming out, he showed some promise as a pass rusher but was weak against the run. Seems to me there is some good run defense in there.

When you say "too much smoke for it to be nothing", are you talking about trade rumors? Or are you talking about rumors that all is not joy and sunshine in Dealing with Diggs at One Bills Drive?

It has happened that a QB caught his own pass, but it's very very rare - and usually doesn't go for much gain.

Well, I'm kind of glad that a draft pundit is predicting it....other than QB (which was, Durr....) when have the draftniks been correct in their predictions.?

On the one hand....if a team is legitimately putting out feelers to shop a player, I imagine it's hard to keep a lid on it and it sounds like you have a good source. On the other hand....Beane and the Bills are apparently notoriously close-mouthed and close-to-the-vest about trades, and Beane has said a lot of times when they are linked as being interested in a trade, it may have come to a couple "due diligence" type "hey would you be interested in...." "hey is this player available?..." type phone calls.