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I'm not sure it's Brady's unimaginative game plan, and not the WR skills.

I know this is hard, but try to stay with me: 1) OP poster says "There hasn't been one player that they drafted that is no longer on this team that is remotely any good, outside of Edmunds," (exact quote) 2) This contention could be disproved by listing one player other than Edmunds who is remotely any good 3) I listed 11 players who should be considered at least "any good" because they have continued to play in the NFL for years after the Bills released or traded them, despite the yearly influx of cheaper rookies. Some have started for years. 4) Therefore OP poster's contention is disproved. QED. It must be highly disconcerting to lose your ass by laughing. Perhaps you should hold onto it with both hands; only think how inconvenient to lose it! Without an ass, from what orifice would your poo emerge? It could be detrimental to your social life or enjoyment of meals. Punters are players. Every team has one because they fill a critical role. ST can turn a game and we all howl when it does. However, if you wish to exclude the punter and the primarily ST guys (even the one who led the league in punt return yardage) it still leaves sufficient players to disprove OP poster's contention (since one would suffice) We do understand that players who "bounce around the league" (get picked up by different teams) are in fact "any good", because otherwise the teams who sign them would take younger and cheaper guys hot out of college and undrafted. We understand that, right? I'd say I eagerly await the contortions you'll undergo to avoid acknowledging a point, but Truth: I'd be lying.

Actually, he couldn't. One of the noteworthy things about Allen during the pre-draft process and his first 2 years in the league was that he struggled worst to complete the passes behind the LOS or in the 0-5 yd range. When he changed up his mechanics in the 2020 off season he became able to hit those When he's been injured and has back-slid towards old mechanics he can't So if you're correct that his mechanics are off (and that would seem to be a matter of debate) then he would not, in fact, be able to throw from his a** and complete a 5 yd pass.

Valid points, although I would say that Tre White, Milano, and Edmunds were all pro-bowl type players in their prime, and of course Poyer and Hyde. I think it was Emmanuel Acho on some show talked about "Freakazoids". He talked about how, in order to win, every team has to have at least 3-4 "freakazoids", players who can single-handedly change the course of the game. On offense, we have Allen, we have Cook. We had Diggs, but no one who has stepped up and filled that role. On defense, it's been my belief that McDermott has always felt he doesn't need "freakazoids" to field a top defense. Instead he wants guys who will "buy in" and Do Their 1/11th. And when everyone knows their role and executes, he's almost right. But since the 2021 playoffs, I think Beane has believed that he definitely needs some freakazoids on the DL to put on a good pass rush. Beane tried to draft a guy he could develop into a competent pass rusher in Epenesa and Rousseau and Basham, and 2 out of 3 being good NFL players isn't a bad hit rate, but they're not Game Changers. Then he swung for the fences and tried to buy a Freakazoid in Von Miller and when that busted, the amount of dead money tied up in him has really tied Beane's hands.

To transplant a 25 or 26 yr old brain into his 22 1/2 yr old body. There just may be a reason why Sam Darnold started to really ball at age 26. Honestly, think of the 21-23 yr old young men you know. Some of them have it together. They pay attention, listen to what they're told, take feedback well, stay "humble and hungry". Others make you wonder how the human race survived because they seem to have NO sense, including no sense of perspective or self-preservation. Then you throw money into the mix. A young guy from a financially limited background, now he's got a multi-million dollar signing bonus in the bank and is pocketing a the average starting salary for a 2025 college graduate, $70k - EVERY WEEK. He walks into any bar with a hundred thou of bling around his neck. Heads turn. Ladies want to "talk" to him. This is the life!!! It may not be an accident that Coleman's crappiest games were in Atlanta and in Miami, both cities with good night life (caveat: I have NO info that Coleman is out there clubbing. It's just a guess.) That's basically why the "hit rate" in the first couple rounds of the draft is so low. Occasionally players can't adapt to the league physically, but more often it's a mental and emotional thing. It's hard to focus on what the coaches are telling you and be self-critical yet confident, when the message given by the money you suddenly have is "I'm in the Big Time, I've Arrived!". Teams try to do their homework, get a sense of who the player is about, talk to their coaches and trainers and teammates. But that doesn't always work. And sometimes people just change when they get the Do-Re-Mi.

Starting with 2018, and only counting players who are still active: Tremaine Edmunds LB of course. Even OP acknowledges him. Harrison Phillips DT. Started 17 games for 3 years and all 10 this year for Vikes, 59-74% of the snaps. Vikes #5 D last year, 14-3 and in 2022 13-4. Solid. Siran Neal CB. Played 17 games for MIA and 11 so far for SF as a STer. SF currently 7-4 Wyatt Teller G. Starting for Cleveland at G since 2019. Has been to 3 probowls and 2nd team AP twice. Might remotely be any good. Ray Ray McCloud WR. Has played on 5 different teams since leaving the Bills, including 12-4 Steelers, Conf Champ and SB with the 49ers. Largely PR/KR Led the league in PR in 2021. Also saw significant WR snaps with PIT in 2021 and ATL in 2024. Ya kind of think he might remotely be good if he lead the league and played in 2 conf. champs and a superbowl. 2019 Devin Singletary RB. Solid year for HOU in 2023 with more yards than he had in B'lo. Currently playing for the Giants and his YPC has tanked. Cody Ford G. Started every game at G for Cincy in 2023, all but 1 in 2024, all so far this season. He ain't an all pro, but they haven't found better. 2020 Isaiah Hodgins WR. For a player who was not "Remotely any good" there was a lot of heartburn here when we lost him to the Giants on waivers. After an OK year in 2023, he lost playing time in 2024 and gained it back this year. Played a lot and had a decent game last Sunday. We'll see how he does now Daboll's gone Dane Jackson. Back with the Bills now. Played ~40% of the snaps for CAR last year in 9 games and 3 starts so they might have thought he was remotely any good 2021 Matt Araiza. P. Punting and holding for the Chiefs. Lots of heart burnings here about that. Nick Broeker G, Playing for Houston, mostly ST. All 9 games this season Alex Austin CB. Has been in New England last 3 seasons, playing ST and CB. Has started 5 games at CB in the last 2 years. That's 11 players besides Edmunds who were drafted by the Bills, went elsewhere, and saw significant playing time. Several STers, but when a guy is leading the league as an STer he might be above "remotely any good". 6 have been starting. I know, @BuffaloBillyG, there I go with the facts again

Then why'd he "go off" in the Ravens game?

People forget that when it comes to football, NFL players are a lot smarter than many give them credit for. They don't have to be explicitly told they are running a clearing route, they understand the play design, they know what the reads are given what the defense shows. They know when it's a run play. They know when they aren't getting the ball. Remember Bishop (I think) saying he could read Worthy's body language and tell when it was gonna be a run play? But it doesn't help the offense disguise anything if all the players on the field don't at least give a plausible FAKE of effort. Poyer signed to the Bills practice squad on August 27. He walked into the Bills locker room before the season started. Does not track.

I had wondered about that. I heard Kincaid spent a good bit of time working with Josh this summer, but nothing about Keon doing likewise. Didn't know if that was lack of invitation by Josh (hard to imagine) or lack of willingness by Keon. Right and while we're un-revisionizing history, the story I heard was that the Bills actually favored a different QB at that pick. I don't remember who - Watson maybe?

I'd love to dunk on the Bills for passing up Ladd, but at the time it was like "every WR the Bills have is a slot" Thing is, I've heard evaluators say that the best use of Coleman where he gets the most separation may essentially be as a big slot, and clearly the Bills drafted him hoping for a reliable outside receiver who is always open 2 ft over his head. And he doesn't look to be that guy - to anyone. You guyyyyyzzzzzz. Maybe before you say "cut him ASAP" consider what would be his cap impact? Coleman was signed with $9M guaranteed (2025, 2026, and part of 2027 salary). We cut him, we absorb $7.8M in dead cap. Do the Bills have $7.8M in free cap lying around to absorb that? (Spoiler: they don't)

Bills opened this season scoring 41, 30, 31, and 31 points with Coleman playing 88, 51, 75, and 73% of the offensive snaps. Scored 40 points against Carolina with Coleman playing 73% of the snaps. Last season scored 48 points and won the week Coleman returned from the wrist injury, after scoring 42 points and losing the week before without him. The pattern I see is that the Bills have to score a *****-ton of points on offense to make up for their crappy D these days. That seems to be true whether Coleman is playing or not. What pattern is it you're sensing exactly?

Poyer and Hyde were signed before Beane arrived. He doesn't get credit for signing them. I'm not trying to say Beane hasn't had any good FA signings. Rapp was a good acquisition even if he does have a proclivity for "friendly fire". Ty Johnson. But let's look again at the statement I was agreeing with... "My complaint about Bean is more about his roster structure and FA acquisitions. He's part of the decision process that favors the D and didn't see a need to replace Diggs/Davis with an equally productive pair of WR's." I'll give Beane full credit for Beasley and Brown, though he failed to adequately replace either (Manny Sands was gimped up and Crowder/McKensie was a disaster. I'll give him credit for Diggs, too, though people who look at Justin Jefferson will give us both the side-eye....and I don't think a GM ought to boast on a guy he eats $30M of dead cap just to get him off the team. The point being made was that Beane favors the D in his drafting AND in his FA acquisitions, and that he failed to adequately replace Diggs and Gabe Davis. I don't think that last is arguable. You can argue the first depending on how you slice it. You're absolutely right that losing Landon Jackson and Dwayne Carter, not to mention Ed Oliver and Michael Hoecht, huge blow to the D.

I just watched Dawkins interview. That's not what Dion said. He said "let's just say that this is the last time, and move on". It seems pretty clear to me that by "last time", Dawkins meant "last time you make that mistake (showing up to meeting late or missing meeting, whatever he did)" not " this is your last chance" Which I don't believe is something that one player would ever say to another. For one thing, players don't have "fate control" over each other.

Wait a minute. Let's go back and look at something you said Zero ability to get off blocks Kind of the DL's job to keep the LB's clean, isn't it? When I look at the Bills depth chart, Rousseau/Deone Walker/DaQuan Jones/Joey Bosa were not the 4 names we expected to see as first string starting the season Epenesa/Ogunjobi/Jordan Phillips/Landon Jackson not who I expected as 2nd string. OK, continue.

Are they though? Poyer, who was cooked 2 seasons ago, is starting at Safety 'cuz there's no one else, Rapp being in the body-and-fender shop for the season and Hamlin for some period of time. Benford, Johnson, and Bernard are not on the injury report and limited in practice because they're "for the most part healthy". Our best DLman when he played, Ed Oliver, is on IR along with our hoped-for young guy DeWayne Carter and a guy who showed promise of fixing our pass rush when in there, Hoecht It isn't pretty.

This.

There's something to the "premium picks for need" idea, though I do think he looks at talent available in the draft. Statistically as far as players making it, the bottom 3rd of the 1st round is a tricky place. The "hit rate" as far as getting a good player there - not a star, just a solid guy who can ball - is actually not that much higher than the top of the 2nd round, and overall it's lower than a lot of people think. Something like 30%. Beane, IMO, definitely has a tendency in the premium rounds, and that tendency is to go after high ceiling/low floor kind of guys. Guys who have a flaw, that if they can work hard and fill that in, could be great. The opposite side is if they don't stay humble and realize that getting drafted high doesn't make you an NFL star, they won't put in the effort to fill in their game and they wash.

Indeed. All part of context. It should be a fair point (or at least it seems to me to be a fair point) that when a player is drafted into a winning team with a good culture, the expectations should be higher - they should have all the building blocks around them to maximize their potential, so looking at the track record of other GMs of winning teams seems like the most fair comparator. As far as Coleman, Ladd McConkey admirers must be going nuts given that in only 4 more games, he has literally more than twice as many catches and yards as Coleman. On the other hand Worthy admirers really do need to admit that in 2 more games, he has a whole 8 more yards than Coleman has contributed (with 25% more receptions) I think the person around here who tries to be the most objective with draft evaluation has been @JGMcD2 who periodically uses pfr's weighted approximate value to evaluate a team's drafting. To me where Beane has really fallen short is in his FA acquisitions (and a couple of trades). He swung for the fences with Von Miller and missed badly. Amari Cooper last year was a bust given the 3rd we gave for him.

Dawkins had a lot of false starts last season as well. From 2020 to 2023, 3 or fewer false start penalties per season. 2024 he finished the season with 10 false starts. So while it's clear something is going on, you really can't pin it on "regressed this season". Holds not so much. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DawkDi00/penalties if you're interested.

How many draft picks have other GMs of contending teams whiff on? How many of their FA signings haven't worked out? I can't disagree with you on Elam and Boogie being busts. Ford was interesting - he's been starting consistently for Cincy. And Coleman isn't looking good but it's only halfway through his 2nd season. But when we want to talk " track record", don't we have to ask questions about what a great track record looks like, and how Beane compares to that? Again, I'm not really disputing your evaluation, but if you want to throw the GM of a team with 6 successful previous winning seasons out the door when the team is 6 and 3 this year (after devastating injuries on defense), a bit of context might be useful I think it's probably sourced. I haven't been paying as much attention recently but as of a couple years ago when I did, the Cover1 crew had a number of players as guests on their podcasts and they do seem to get some inside scoop.

The truth behind the set-up "who would you not want your sister to date?" "Stefon Diggs" unanimous Vikings film is that not too long before that, he had gotten two women pregnant. He acknowledged and supported the child of one woman but the other said he "forced" her to have an abortion. It was all very unsavory, albeit, no way to tell whether the latter was true.

Yes

I'd just like to point out here that there's some cause-and-effect blend here. Burrow is essentially what Flacco was - a classic pocket QB who makes his living (as others have said) by reading the D pre and post snap and understanding exactly where to go with the ball, and being wiling to stay in the pocket and take a hit to deliver it. He's usually toward the top of the league in sacks taken, with most everyone else being rookies or young players. That's the reason he's always hurt. If his O-line isn't up to snuff, he's going to get hit - a lot.

What are you basing the comment that he "slid" on draft day on? I did a bit of digging and he wasn't draft profiled on NFL.com that I can find - usually they profile guys that are expected to go in the 1st 4-5 rounds. A couple profiles I found slotted him as a 5th to 6th round selection.

I hope so for his sake