Generic_Bills_Fan

I really don’t think people can even wrap their heads around how bad of a beat it was because everyone was angrily questioning the call in the moment 🤣. Not getting 0 yards on a sneak with the push from behind now being allowed is pretty much impossible. this was like the worst beat of all time…pushing way into a team recovering consecutive onside kicks and scoring two late tds type territory which I don’t know if it’s even actually happened lol That would be an interesting debate lol mathematically I am definitely not sure though admittedly. I remember when it ended up looking clear minny recovered praying it was a td 😁

I stand by my opinion that it was the second worst outcome with the worst being a fumbled snap recovered by the Vikings that wasn’t recovered in the end zone 🤣 no way were we pulling off a goal line stand again heck I would’ve just tossed Jefferson into the end zone on that catch that got them down to the 1 and the bills almost made me look stupid for a second lol

The more I think about it the more I’d side with you on this one. Josh saw that single coverage to Davis and went for the td there and I’m sure some of it had to do with the general confidence (or lack thereof) that the offense has in slamming the ball in on a first and goal

I was not at all accusing you of starting it for the record. Its just very ‘what came first the chicken or the egg’ trying to assign blame in this one because so much went wrong. If I were forced to pick one I’d blame the coaches for not attempting a fg on that 4th and 2 which is an opinion I had presnap there. maybe you would not be one of them and I applaud you for that but people would’ve been screaming after a 4th down throwaway

The only worse outcome than what happened was a fumble that minny recovered not in the end zone. If we got safetied you could be correct that the defense wouldn’t hold up but the odds of losing yardage on a sneak (assuming you don’t fumble the snap) has gotta be 10,000 to 1. there were a lot of initial hot takes about how we shouldn’t have snuck it and so on which made it seem that a sneak in that situation is difficult but it really isn’t at all. Your qb is falling forwards with momentum while getting pushed from behind gaining 0 yards is darned near a statistical certainty just based on physics lol

I’m with you partially that there’s more to blame than the offense but sneaks are 88% successful when you need to GAIN yards. We could’ve gotten back to the line for no gain and been fine. Heck we could’ve gotten safetied and maybe been ok…that’s what made the win percentage so high. Your logic on this part of your explanation is entirely flawed but I’m partially with you on the general point losing yardage on a sneak in this new age where you can get shoved from behind is just about impossible

Watch the play again…I am a masochist and have been watching it all day lol. It’s perfectly drawn up to counter the Vikings defense and Davis has a step on single coverage with no safety help because the safety took the inside crossing route. Josh just threw an absolutely terrible ball… it’s nearly unfathomable that that play ended in an interception that is the classic you throw it to the back of the end zone and your receiver probably has a td or the ball is incomplete. If Davis runs a better route he is wide open for the game winner but I think he was worried the safety wouldn’t bite as hard. it was a straight up routine play against man coverage…he should’ve probably taken an easier option sure but if you don’t trust your qb to get that throw where it needs to go he shouldn’t be starting. The window for that ball to get into to only give Davis a chance at the catch was huge

This is all kind of a meaningless exercise as there were tons of people you can point the finger at…I think everyone is right here lol

The singletary fumble resulted in 0 points for us too though? Lol a bit of selective logic going on on both sides here. Without the power of hindsight would you really be happy he threw the ball away on 4th down? I find that incredibly hard to believe

You’re kind of proving the persons point you’re responding to imo. Yes he had chances to win the game and blew them and he should be the guy stepping up there, but there were tons of blown opportunities on both sides of the ball making all that necessary too. also blaming him for the 4th down int is going a little far imo…if he threw the ball away there y’all would be screaming about it

He absolutely should’ve taken a safer option but I’ve watched the play 400 times now and Davis had a step in single coverage and that is a straight up routine play against man coverage that 95/100 times ends in a td or incompletion out the back of the end zone. If Davis runs a better route there he’s wide open. The decision wasn’t as bad as it looked from the broadcast angle but the throw itself missed its target badly. The panic in Harrison smith is kind of funny/sad to watch…the Vikings got outschemed badly on that play. He thought he’d turn around and Davis would be wide open with the ball in his hands and did this last second desperation dive to break it up after he took the inside receiver and the ball was going to the outside receiver Caught them with their pants down and shot ourselves in the foot with the execution

The standard hasn’t lowered at all…it hasn’t been pretty but if we were reasonably healthy on the defensive side we would be 9-0 right now and we have a lot of impact players that should be returning to the lineup down the stretch . Come playoff time the expectation is still the Super Bowl. Someone should’ve told the Vikings that yesterday then if it’s that clear 😂. Seemed like their gameplan down the stretch of regulation and ot yesterday was to get no pressure, leave everyone open, let josh do whatever he wants with his legs, give his first read a step against single coverage on back to back plays to the end zone and pray for a drop/bad throw. there’s certainly issues to address going forward but that might be the flukiest loss I’ve ever seen

They were not ready for it lol he’s full of sh*t. the Vikings were outschemed badly on that play even if the ball was required to go to Davis. Peterson was likely beat for the game winner but the throw was horrendous. If Davis runs a better route he’s wide open for the game winner leaving the two first reads on the play more or less open on back to back plays for tds after allowing 60 josh Allen rushing yards certainly shows no evidence that they have some secret recipe for stopping josh Allen lol the Vikings are gonna watch the film and know they got away with one with that final play

I think we have a bunch of captain hindsight’s here 😂. Now that I slept on it and have a clear head a sneak is far and away the safest play and it’s not particularly close. I can’t recall if the titans game was officially a called qb sneak but it should still be safe to say that sneaks are successful for us well over 90% of the time when we have to GAIN yards. And now you can have a player behind the qb pushing so it should work at an even higher percentage and we didn’t even have to gain yards. We just had to not lose more than a half yard on two consecutive plays. Heck even a safety on the second sneak attempt likely would’ve been fine. An intentional safety on the first play though would’ve preserved a timeout for them so I don’t think that was really an option. The odds of us losing the game the way we did were astronomically small which is a fact I think people just haven’t really wrapped their heads around yet the play I would absolutely flame the coaching staff for is not taking that fg earlier in the second half

Toney did virtually nothing against Tennessee and the vast majority of that came against jax so I’d take those results with a grain of salt lol hines made a couple huge plays in the return game that will fly way under the radar for most. I’d give him some time

I feel like there was a game losing play like that a couple years back with Davis too against the ravens…very similar route where he didn’t run at the appropriate angle and just kind of drifted

Geez I didn’t even see Morris haha I’ve gotta watch again. I was focused on Davis. Davis had a step that whole play and the throw was godawful. If you freeze it just as the ball is released and showed it to 100 people that missed the game I don’t think one of them would guess interception knowing he’s going to Davis lol probably one of the worst throws of his career…he missed his window by about 12 yards the absolute worst result that should’ve been possible on that play was an incompletion out the back of the end zone but we are clearly masters of the impossible

I don’t think it’s all on Dorsey…the execution has just been horrible at times. The singletary fumble was maddening…and that final int maddening as well. We were quick to blame Dorsey for not providing more underneath routes but I have watched that play 50 times now talking about the game with some friends and it honestly worked to perfection. josh could’ve either waited and hit singletary sneaking out after the block for a 5 yard gain…or thrown a not terrible ball to Davis and most likely had a td but it should’ve been at worst an incompletion. The stacked crossing routes worked as intended as the middle safety followed the inside crosser leaving Davis in single coverage with Peterson with a step. Josh threw such a bad ball that it looked like Peterson jumped the route but it was a very routine play against man coverage for josh. The back middle of the end zone was open and he missed it by a mile. If we don’t have confidence in him to make that throw then he shouldn’t be starting honestly. heck even the sneak wasn’t a bad call…what are the odds your 6’5” wrecking ball qb is gonna lose more than a half yard on a sneak with the new rules where he can get pushed from behind. Slim to none

I think this could end up being a glass half full situation but the last few weeks have certainly been painful because your big money qb is getting payed to get you those types of wins. not at all surprised by the frustration but I still think we will be dangerous come playoff time at home and on the road. If we end up being the 6 seed I think the 3 seed may secretly hope they are the 4 seed lol

how can I be feeding another problem when the problem I’m describing is worse 🤣 straight up not seeing underneath defenders is alarming. That’s been the overwhelming trend the last few games leading to most of the actual ints and quite a few dropped ints. I think that’s a much more difficult fix I know it’s the last play and people can think whatever they want obviously, but I’ve watched that play many many times and Davis has a step throughout that entire route which is where josh decided to go with the ball just before singletary sneaks out on the delayed route after the block. Allen threw it wayyy behind Davis but there was a great deal of room in the back of the end zone to put that ball where only his receiver could get it. It was nowhere near as risky as it looked from the broadcast angle…was pretty much a routine throw against man coverage in the nfl you can even see Harrison smith I think it was know he got pulled out of position by the other crossing receiver and try to peel off late with a desperation dive. I was pissed when I saw it live too as it looked like he just decided to throw the ball into 4 defenders but it really was not like that at all. This was ironically the least bad of his interceptions the last 2 and a half games but of course it happened in the biggest moment so I don’t blame people for being frustrated. I’ll try to upload some photos from the play but I am technologically challenged and the file is too large 🤣

I don’t think that was a designed sneak but I’ll check it out again cuz a couple people have said that…looked like a different play where josh had the option of calling his own number

Yep…a rollout you’ve got the same snap risk and you’re risking ints too imo. Unfortunately we had two 100 to 1 miracle plays go against us this game Of course it never should’ve come to that though

Now that the pain has subsided a little I’ve come around to the sneak…I don’t think we had ever been stopped on a traditional qb sneak up to that point in the josh Allen era and now you add in the fact that he can get pushed from behind. the rollout SHOULDVE been riskier but of course we all have the power of hindsight now lol

I mean the fumbled snap/final int is enough to rag on him for this game. He wasn’t the only problem but you expect your big money guy to rescue you in situations like that and he hasn’t done it the last few weeks im having trouble blaming him for the 4th down int but there is plenty to blame him for without that anyway

I guess we technically control our own destiny against Miami but that could potentially depend on being perfect in conference games going forward…lac has been disappointing so I’m not sure they’re gonna lose that one. We both lost to NYJ and Minnesota which could force us wayy down the tiebreakers list if we split with them and finish with the same division and conference record lol