Generic_Bills_Fan

He’s had some real bad ones that were entirely on him…but something odd happened on that final play yesterday. The double post worked to perfection clearing out the safety and Davis had a step on Peterson in single coverage. If Davis wasn’t expected to route adjust based on the coverage that ball would’ve been aired out to the back of the end zone so josh would have bulleted the ball for no reason and missed by about 12 yards. Pretty unlikely. I’ve seen people saying Davis was supposed to cut his route short and sit underneath because the safety went high which very well may have been the case and it would’ve put the throw pretty much right on target and Davis would’ve had Peterson boxed out and been open

I’m the opposite lol I feel better about the deep passes than the medium passes…deep passes are usually josh picking on single coverage but the short/medium stuff he has been not seeing underneath defenders pretty often

This is a perfectly reasonable criticism of the situation

Whoever said the mentally ready thing in this thread is jumping to conclusions. Team doctors have confirmed he doesn’t have any knee complications but that doesn’t mean he’s game ready. There’s no injury designation for ‘would be a liability if he played meaningful snaps in a game because he’s not in shape yet’

I don’t think everyone around here gets the PUP/ IR status details lol just because they activated him off the pup list doesn’t mean he’s ready to play

Odell does not currently have a contract so it is in his best interest to get signed by a team as soon as possible. He is ‘cleared’ and has been delaying team visits likely because he is not in game shape. There’s more to getting football ready than being physically cleared

I love how we supposedly don’t care about rushing tre white from an infamously terrible knee injury but people lost their minds when josh played a week after an elbow injury that nobody really knew anything about 🤣

They do not look like frauds…they look like a team that is shooting itself in the foot trying to close out games for sure though. It took pretty much act of god level type stuff for a good team to come back and beat us there. That Jefferson catch on 4th down and the fumbled snap were both insanely unlikely

I don’t think anyone would argue we deserved to lose…if you can’t hold on to a snap to run out the clock what can you do lol

Jeff Wilson isn’t really a fair comparison cuz he already pretty much knew the offense coming from SF

Second time I’ve seen somebody say this so I’m gonna check it again with that in mind lol makes more sense than what I was thinking cuz josh would’ve missed the throw I was thinking of by a huge amount ah didn’t even catch that you said it was from the press conference haha who said it in the conference? so I watched that play 100 times for nothing 😂

I’m not sure if the post you’re responding to quite saw what I saw. the throw itself was absolutely terrible and about 12 yards off target but the read seemed fine imo. That’s a standard man coverage beater that freed Davis up…he had a step on Peterson with no safety help and a very good chance at a td if the throw has some air in the back of the end zone. very routine play… it wasn’t at all this huge risk it’s being portrayed as. If that ball hits that pretty big window in the back of the end zone (which ironically encompassed both the L’s in the end zone because it ended up losing us the game lol) it’s 50/50 a td or an incomplete pass. Josh threw just about the worst ball I’ve ever seen though. if he was gonna be that off target on a 30 yard pass I’m not even sure he could’ve hit that wide open singletary right in front of his face 🤣 I’ll watch it again with that in mind…that play looked like it was designed to go to the back middle of the end zone initially and he just threw it way behind gabe to me

I think Davis was worried the safety wouldn’t bite as hard on the other crosser and wanted to leave some room just in case but man did that play work as designed. So funny listening to Peterson saying ‘we knew josh would go for the end zone so we defended it well’ or whatever haha they most certainly did not. That was the perfect play to counter the Vikings defense there. he was beat for what was likely the game winner or an incompletion at worst but Allen threw a pass that was so bad that it was genuinely difficult to tell where it was going from the broadcast angle 🤣

That’s interesting…I’d call a sneak losing a half yard wildly improbable. And if they lost almost a half yard on the first sneak they’d obviously not try two in a row. if you’re forced to run 3 pass plays you’d think the odds of something going wrong would increase because there’s an extra play in there.

I like how you snuck injuries in there when that really only applies to people that blame the refs 😁 then instead of saying ‘for people that blame the refs’ you filed that under ‘other nonsense’ haha the ‘injuries are no excuse’ people may get a shot at a last laugh but that will be in the form of our defense getting torched in the playoffs with our starters back josh/the offense should’ve been able to pull these last two games out but you can’t tell me that we don’t win the last two games with some of poyer,tre white,edmunds/Milano,Rousseau in there. I will unhappily eat crow if we continue to not look good with some of those guys back in the lineup 😂

Somehow this makes me feel better…the whole OT feels kind of ‘ball don’t lie’ to me now. I’m gonna tell myself the football gods guided that last pass into petersons hands lol

If you had said that the first time I would’ve had no complaints lol I don’t believe the sneak decision should be included in point b but plenty of other stuff could’ve been

Lol what? That’s exactly what Dorsey and McDermott were doing and why they did it 🤣 you are just not understanding it properly

You wouldn’t need a knee…it was 2 sneaks maximum. Minny had one timeout and there were 40ish seconds left. You are completely misunderstanding the situation. If you are throwing the football there you would need more than 2 plays because josh would likely be throwing the ball away

I’m with you man I just don’t understand it. I don’t even see how a sneak could theoretically lose a half yard without the snap being bad. In a shotgun snap the snap could be bad and you open yourself up to all kinds of other risks not to mention you probably need to run more plays because josh would be throwing incompletions you could rag doll the qb instantly at the line of scrimmage on a sneak and carry him into the locker room and they’d stop it for forward progress before it lost a half yard lol the qb takes the snap moving forwards and getting pushed from behind

Looks like it got back to the line to me…there’s no chance it lost even close to a half yard. That was not a traditional sneak by any means regardless. I think people are getting confused that making it here was not losing a half yard…when we normally talk about sneaks failing it’s because they didn’t gain a yard/half yard. If you completely reversed the qbs momentum immediately and drove him backwards I dont even think that could cause a half yard loss. heck stopping a sneak from gaining a yard is tough when you know it’s coming…can’t even believe we pulled that miracle off I’ve been looking for one I’m not blindly trying to prove a point lol I think a sneak losing a half yard has gotta be a 1000/1 chance or higher

explain why you disagree. Show me a sneak that has lost a half yard in nfl history and maybe you’ll swing me. I don’t see how a play that has a 99.9% chance of being successful can be a panic move. Minny had one timeout…it was two plays to not lose a half yard. i see the titans game being brought up but that was not a traditional fall forwards sneak and josh still got back to the line which would’ve been more than good enough yesterday If you throw there…you have the same snap risk, you have a tipped ball/int risk, you have the inherent risk that you aren’t stopping the clock if you throw it away 3 times, you have a holding penalty in the end zone being a safety risk,you have an intentional grounding risk.

I honestly feel like I’m taking crazy pills on this one lol can someone point me to a sneak losing a half yard in nfl history? And that includes years where you couldn’t push the qb from behind coaching overall for the game sure flame away…but questioning the sneak call is a little ridiculous imo.

That ‘all they had to do’ part is a nearly impossible task nowadays lol. You could not legally have a player pushing from behind to help the qb in the game against the titans. Not to mention, watch that play again and look at the offensive formation. That was not a traditional qb sneak by any means. It was as much a trick play as a qb sneak. Allen takes the snap and does not immediately fall forward with momentum. double not to mention, if that exact result happened here we would’ve been fine because we didn’t need to GAIN yards. We needed to not lose a half yard and Allen got back to the line on that play. so you have literally provided zero evidence of a sneak type play in the history of josh Allen that lost yardage even with a fumbled snap you can literally fumble a snap on any play Are you implying they only fumbled the snap because they were running a sneak? Heck Kirk cousins got stepped on twice immediately after snapping the ball in this very game on non sneak plays which is a risk that doesn’t exist on a qb sneak because the quarterback immediately falls forward.

Idk if it makes me feel better or worse now that we have a working theory lol even if he got stonewalled up the middle immediately I severely doubt they’d get him behind the los. That feels like a mental error and a physical error now 😂