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    Simms: Gabe Davis is a good player, but he's not a number two

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    7 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

    What makes you think he can be the guy? Six games in and he's an afterthought. He's obviously not in the game plan. Sure it's possible but it really seems unlikely he becomes the WR2 on the team. 

     

    To say he's been a disappointment is an understatement. The high expectations six games in have been shattered. However, it mostly because the Bills coaching don't know what the F they are doing. In fairness, Kincaid has played well in his limited dink and dunk role. Why you move up in the draft to play him like that is mind boggling. Total incompetence. This organization can F up a wet dream. Will 13 seconds be the norm? 

     

    Signed one frustrated Bills fan. 

    The gameplan has been masking how bad Spencer brown is very well for a majority of the season and Kincaid/Knox have a lot to do with that.  People scoff at ‘dink and dunk’ role but that is literally what has been required so far lol the offensive line has been getting smoked the last two weeks and diggs has gotten open a ton it is an absolute no brainer to keep guys in to chip/ run some shorter routes as a safety net for when your qb has 4 pass rushers in his face


    can’t help but think the giants game goes a little differently if Kincaid plays…nobody else not named diggs got a whole lot of separation early in routes and there just wasn’t enough time in the pocket to hit some guys that would’ve otherwise been schemed open 

     

    this is obviously my personal opinion but if he looked slow in the nfl or he wasn’t sure handed then I would be concerned for him but neither of those things have been true 

    20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

     

    The only reason "Playoff Gabe Davis" happened was because he wasn't used much that year and teams really didn't prepare for him.  To say it a different way, it took teams by surprise because there wasn't really any tape on it.

     

    Many of this have said the stuff Sims has said for a couple years now. Other people are just too blind cus stats bro.

    I think part of it in that chiefs game was mathieu going down early also.  Sorensen got absolutely smoked all night 

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    Talk about McD and Allen are always linked Any QB ever become a transcended star on another team?

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    I think McDermott is vastly underrated around these parts and this whole talk of firing him because he can’t outduel likely the best qb of all time in the playoffs is an eerily similar setup to the bears firing lovie smith and promptly becoming an absolute dumpster fire.  The guy is getting a ton out of all his defensive players to the point where virtually anyone can step in and play pretty well.
     

    We were frequently very bad during the drought and helped out by the fact that two other teams in our division were even worse 

     

    this feels very ‘grass is greener to me’…look at the dolphins with their offensive mastermind head coach.  When they face a playoff caliber opponent their offense struggles and their defense gets smoked and barring a miracle they lose.  Dolphins are like 2-7 vs playoff teams in his tenure and those two wins they just barely squeaked by injury ravaged bills and ravens teams 

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    Simms: Gabe Davis is a good player, but he's not a number two

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    26 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Do we love Chris Simms again, now that he agrees with what seems like a vast majority of the people posting here?

     

    He's not wrong that the passing offense has looked far too reliant on Stefon Diggs

     

    On the other hand....the Bills are a whopping 5 yards off from being a top-10 rushing team (currently 12th), WITHOUT as much contribution from Josh Allen's legs at this time (and most of his contribution did come in the first 3 games)

     

    Right now, Mahomes has more rush attempts and more rush yards than Allen....they are right next to the Bills for rushing yards.  I will grant that they seem to be utilizing 2nd round rookie Rashee Rice more and relying on Kelce a bit less in the passing game.  But again, similar rush yards - Mahomes more rush yards than Allen - what does Chris Simms say about the Chiefs, are they too reliant on Mahomes?

     

    AJ Brown has 60 targets and 672 yds, Devonta Smith 44 targets and 344 yards, while Hurts of course has 30% of the teams rush attempts and close to 30% of their rush yards....does that mean the Eagles are too reliant on Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown?

     

    (for context, Diggs 66 receptions 620 yds, Davis 30 targets 341 yds)

    I still don’t get ‘too reliant on diggs’ … he’s not forcing it into triple coverage all game to get him the ball…diggs is our best pass catcher and he’s pretty much always got a step on his defender and when a play breaks down he always helps out his qb..  our best receiver having what’s likely to be a career year that has been pretty much impossible to stop should be a positive.. 

     

    gabe is certainly frustrating though lol 

    OLINE/QB UNFORCED ERROR REVIEW - ALL 22 - WEEK 6 GIANTS

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    9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

    I had so much hope for this oline after their fairly good start.  Outside of Brown. They seem to be getting worse as the weeks go on. A weakness was spotted with the stunts and other teams are replicating it but our line isn't getting better at it.  It also doesn't help that Josh doesn't run anymore. That threat made D's play different. The run game that we have, while better, still isn't good enough to strike fear.

    Teams are still very mindful of josh running which is part of why he’s not doing it.  The giants spied him pretty much all game.  I think they’re trying to get away from designed qb runs since were running the ball fairly well this season. I didn’t watch the presser but it seems like he said some things in frustration imo…a few teams have done some excellent jobs taking his rushing lanes away this year 

     

    mcgovern’s bad game really sunk things…the giants dline is actually massively under the radar because people just assume they’re bad at everything.  Dexter Lawrence is an absolute beast and Leonard Williams is good…okereke was playing possessed it reminded me of Bernard’s huge game a few weeks ago.  I do think a good percentage of what the giants were able to do was predicated on Daboll knowing his ex team very well though 

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    OLINE/QB UNFORCED ERROR REVIEW - ALL 22 - WEEK 6 GIANTS

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    4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

    Not a coincidence it came from the guy who laid the foundation and framework of what the offense currently is. Dorsey added a few additions, but the majority of it is the house that DaBoll built. I think Dabs knew how to play Dorsey and Allen because he knows them so unbelievable well. 
     

    McDermott also just happened to know how to play DaBoll. I hope Giants figure it out and have a competitive team, because this rivalry could be a treat. 

    I wonder if things might’ve gone differently if Kincaid was healthy…the whole 12 personnel is a bit of a new wrinkle. 
     

    this game legitimately scared me all week lol bill belichicks ex coaches always gave him a relative amount of trouble and they were never any good against anyone else.  

    part of me feels bad for Daboll that would’ve been a huge win and their schedule gets softer in the second half.  I don’t think things are looking good for him long term in ny as it stands.  The Daniel jones contract has an out but it’s still a bit of a head scratcher 

     

    OLINE/QB UNFORCED ERROR REVIEW - ALL 22 - WEEK 6 GIANTS

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    5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

    Thanks for doing this! 
     

    Seems the offense is just sloppy, would that be a good term?

    Giants defense was nearly flawless imo…they were able to disguise coverages long enough to get pass rushers home pretty much all night and their stunts were massively effective.  I know it’s the ‘giants’ but that was probably the best opponent defensive performance we’ve seen all year 

     

    couldn’t even help those OL out much…cook forgot how to pass block also 

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    Anyone at the game, or with access to all 22 replay..Is anyone getting open??

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    1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

    Because of your sidenote. This board wants Ken Dorsey fired yesterday because all fans blame coaches when things don't go well. I really think that the coaching job that Wink Martindale did in the first half was a masterclass, especially given what he had to work with. Josh never seemed to know where the rush was coming from. But I also believe that Daboll and Martindale started working on this game plan in the offseason. It was personal for Daboll.

    Teams that are declared ‘bad’ are never allowed to improve week to week and never allowed any amount of credit lol that has had me miffed the last couple days.  
     

    I keep reading ‘played down to their opponent’ but the giants defense was pretty close to flawless.  Who even knew what those guys were capable of…they’re always on the field all game defending short fields because the Daniel jones led offense was absolutely atrocious 

     

    Now people will say ‘oh the giants provided the blueprint and they’re not good so other teams will be able to replicate it’ which isn’t true either because disguising coverages like that without having any big blown coverages takes a tremendous amount of communication 

    17 minutes ago, bill8164 said:

    Not true in the slightest, Josh was given the most amount of time on pass protection in this game (approximately 3.10 seconds) according to Joe Marino. Josh had a bad game, it happens.

    In this game compared to other bills games this year?  I think that is entirely misleading as game plans vary week to week based on what the defense is doing.  And how is ‘given the most amount of time’ calculated…tons of that time he bought himself in collapsing pockets.  The whole second half the pressure was pretty much instant.

     

    not trying to argue for or against you saying josh had a bad game as there’s nuance involved and people can have their own personal opinions, but the oline objectively got steamrolled in this one

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    IF Allen Tried to Force His Way Out of Buffalo...

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    3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

    This thread is also about firing everyone and giving Daboll a blank check to hire whoever he wants but not all of us do crack cocaine

    If Dorsey is bad Daboll is just as bad or worse lol pretty sure the rift between Daboll and McDermott started over Daboll not being able to run a successful running play in the first place.  At the very least and the maximum good things you can say about Dorsey is at least we can run the football on a light box finally 
     

     

    IF Allen Tried to Force His Way Out of Buffalo...

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    24 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

    Not crazy at all. I do think Allen and Daboll have the kind of relationship where they would very much like to reunite. It's a special relationship. And a reunion can only happen in one of two ways: McDermott ceases to be the Bills' head coach and Daboll replaces him, or Allen leaves the Bills.

    Josh Allen ain’t leaving a team with his handpicked OC that has occasional offensive line issues but is a contender with one great wide receiver  for a team with massive offensive line issues that is barely a contender even after he’s added to the team with 0 good wide receivers.  It will not happen in a million years.

     

    Daboll will get fired by the giants and McDermott and Daboll will make up and become bffs LONG before josh willingly leaves buffalo for the giants

     

    There ain’t a lot of teams that don’t have the issues josh is experiencing now.  Miami,philly,SF and maybe Detroit would be improvements but a few of those teams can’t support a big qb contract right now so they’d lose some pieces.  Can’t even say kc anymore, I think josh and mahomes are finally on even playing field as far as supporting cast goes.  That kc offensive line seems like it’s taken a step back and he’s got one reliable weapon also.  Cincy has all the weapons but an even worse offensive line so things aren’t going very well over there either. 

     

    defensive lines are just too good nowadays…offensive lines are getting more and more outmatched with each passing year to the point where it doesn’t even really matter who your skill position players are you’re not getting them the ball downfield lol 

    D Hop??

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    I wouldn’t expect the refs to let teams get away with massive amounts of holding every week but you never know.  I don’t think there’s a lot of reason to panic over this one.

    And even if they do, I don’t think dhop is a guy that’s gonna be able to beat it at this stage in his career 

     

    just said this in another thread but the giants pulled off the kc playoff defensive strategy of play a lot of man and just hold everybody lol. 

    JA and company are locking in on Diggs to a fault and here is the proof watch the whole thing

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    17 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

    Ya think?

     

    This whole offense that this clown Dorsey is running consists of running the same handful of plays over and over again:

     

    - Pass the ball to Diggs every other play

    - shotgun run up the middle for 2 yards

    - stupid gadget play to Harty for negative yards

    - 2 yard pass to Knox/Kindcaid

     

    A pop warner coaching staff would have more success in Buffalo with this team than the current staff.

    Not trying to say Dorsey is good by any means but it’s hard to evaluate a play caller when his offensive line is getting absolutely smoked.  All the supposedly great OCs have looked like absolute poop in the games that happens to them too.  Plays have broken down so fast the last two weeks that who even knows what the play design was…and josh is obviously going to look for diggs when sh*t goes sideways haha

     

    a good amount of these plays where he ends up going to diggs are backyard football type broken plays. when we have been steadier up front josh has spread the ball a lot 

     

    the funny thing for me about Dorsey is any time he happens to dosomething right it feels like our players absolutely botch the execution 😂

     

    Daboll/martindale def modeled their defense after those kc playoff defenses that frustrated him when he was with buffalo…line the DT up right over center and play man and hold like crazy on the back end.  Refs allowed a lot of it both ways making that game a lot uglier than it needed to be (less flags though) can’t help but think we would’ve won pretty comfortably if they called holding a little tighter.  You’re pretty much taking all the man beaters away when you play that way just gotta hope you get away with it…diggs is so good though that he can still get some separation so he was pretty much the only option 

    JA and company are locking in on Diggs to a fault and here is the proof watch the whole thing

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    1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

     

    I know in that cover1 video there's the one where he overthrows diggs (who beat his double team) and its like where else should he go?  And you see harty running up field 20 yards down the field getting absolutely molested the entire way to his break, into his break, out of his break.  Like cmon now.  

    Yea that’s the play I was talking about…diggs got held which slowed him down a lot…didn’t look like an overthrow to me at all.  Either way that was the right decision because diggs beat his man(men) anyway and nobody else did 😂

    JA and company are locking in on Diggs to a fault and here is the proof watch the whole thing

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    6 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

    Of course he is NOT open all the time. But I don't recall INTs and forced throws because Josh ONLY focused on Diggs. So where's the issue? And JOsh has spread the ball around, even though Diggs is getting the greater chunk of them. #1 WR are #1 for a reason...

    This is all overblown…josh got baited into a slant by a LB that dropped out late in the last game but I haven’t really noticed a lot of forcing the ball anywhere since week 1 where he was forcing it deep

     

    there was a play people are angry about where josh supposedly threw it to a double covered diggs but diggs had the double coverage beat for a td and the ball was exactly where it needed to be he just got held(no call of course). Davis was also open for a big gain on the first drive but he clearly got held(no call of course). Refs made this game look worse than it was by letting defenders absolutely manhandle passcatchers 

     

     

    5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

     

    Or maybe... they played more man coverage than usual.  And our man beater is diggs.  

     

    Nobody is thinking about personal BS when they're playing QB, and if they are they probably are very bad at QB.  Some poor play calls and spacing.  Drops and fumbles.  Some challenging man coverage (i think harty played 12 snaps and whenever he ran a route he was held).  And some missed reads by Allen.  

    The holding was insane in this game lol had my conspiracy theory bells ringing that they were sick of blowout primetime games..  bills receivers were getting held all night.  Hilariously ironic that the controversy of this game is one uncalled hold when there were dozens most of which were not in the bills favor 

    JA and company are locking in on Diggs to a fault and here is the proof watch the whole thing

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    2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

    The “proof” is that many designed pass plays have Diggs as the primary receiver because he’s an All Pro and working on a HOF career. Since he’s Allen’s 1st read, if he’s open, he’s getting the pass from the hottest arm in football. If you have the strange need to ‘blame’ somebody for them utilizing a HOFer regularly, blame yourself for not understanding football.

    This is where I’m at lol I just don’t get it…if you’ve got diggs with an opportunity to catch the ball why would you pass it up to potentially target Davis or Knox….I think he’s gonna build a rapport with Kincaid too since he’s as sure handed as anybody 

     

    plays have broken down nonstop the last two weeks I’d be lookin to diggs every time too.  Can’t roll the dice on guys that can’t even catch wide open passes when you’ve got a limited number of chances to move the ball downfield the way the oline is playing

    7 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

    Do you understand the reasoning behind the design of the concept?

    I haven’t watched the video yet but I have seen people falsely criticizing multiple plays designed as a dumpoff to a rb with receivers in tight to block for them haha im gonna guess it’s that before watching 

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    The biggest blunder of the game IMO

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    Just now, HappyDays said:

     

    Allen is not a precise thrower while on the move. He can launch the ball but throwing 100% accurate passes while moving is not his strength. Usually when he completes those passes it's because the pass catcher stops in a good position and properly adjusts to the ball. But of course Knox is awful at adjusting to throws and has bad hands to begin with.

     

    So you're asking an imprecise thrower to complete a pass to a clumsy pass catcher. The outcome is not a surprise at all. If you had Kincaid on that route I would have been fine with it I guess, but honestly against the Giants I play field position and the clock either way.

    It just feels like the hindsight game to me personally but I respect the opinion for sure.  Unless we could visit the alternate timeline where we punted there I guess we’ll truly never know 😂.  
     

    the way I see it it was the odds of those two guys not connecting on a probably wide open pass and bass missing the fg vs running and punting and holding them but I can see people not interpreting it that way 

    The biggest blunder of the game IMO

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    8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Well that's crazy if they believed that. Before last night Knox had an abysmal 15.6% drop rate. His drop on that play was not officially credited as a drop, but that was a predictable outcome. When you combine his drop rate with all the other little things that can go wrong on a pass play, plus you know Knox has a wrist/hand injury, that was inherently a low percentage play. Really just an awful play call in that situation, choosing to rely on a low percentage player in a critical moment.

    I feel like you and I both know that is a massively exaggerated way to sum up how that play went wrong.  I certainly respect the run and punt side of the argument but come on now lol it was a laughably wide open pitch and catch under 0 pressure.  You could’ve called two random fans down there to play qb and TE and they probably complete that half the time 😂 a qb throwing lasers with instant pressure in his face all second half turning that wide open throw into a 50/50 ball was wildly unlikely but I def respect everyone’s right to criticize 

     

    It’s just as likely elam gives up a big play and the giants end up punching it in on the run and punt situation to win the game and we’d all be sitting here criticizing that decision too..  they moved the ball down the sideline in chunks quite a few times 

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    The biggest blunder of the game IMO

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    11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Why is aggressive inherently good? What ever happened to context? We're facing the worst offense in football. They've scored 1 offensive TD in the previous 11 quarters of game time. They have a backup QB, a gimpy RB, and missing several OL including their stud LT. We can pin them back inside the 20 with zero timeouts and 1 minute to drive for a TD, or we can risk giving them the ball at midfield with 1 timeout. Why in that scenario is aggressive the right mindset?

     

    I do think the odds change a bit down the stretch where defenses start to get fatigued and they’re in four down territory…it’s not like they weren’t moving the ball all night.   My thought is if elam wasn’t on the field we probably run once and punt but with a pretty moderate liability out there on defense they didn’t feel as comfy as they otherwise would have. There’s always a decent chance of a deep pi call these days completely neutralizing the field position advantage.

     

    your last sentence is what I really don’t understand but that could be a me thing I don’t think anyone is inherently wrong here lol the criticism side is factoring in the third and fourth down decisions as a lump single decision so why would the pro side not be allowed to factor in the odds of the Knox pass OR the fg succeeding. Those odds of winning the game were likely just as high or higher than the run on third down and punt.  It wouldn’t have made sense to throw and then punt so the decision to kick the fg was more than likely made when that throw to Knox was called 

     

    the alternative is to weigh the 3rd down play and 4th down play success rate separately…the criticism side doesn’t get to have it both ways imo.  
     

    I explained my point way better here than my previous rambling nonsense post so hopefully nobody reads the old one 😂. 

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