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12 minutes ago, cgg716 said:
D got eaten alive on the ground, good pressure yes, but if that's what you give up against Wilson, just wait until a real qb is on the schedule.
Kincaid and Elam are examples of the disconnect between the FO and the coaches. 2 TE offense should help in pass blocking and the run game, with lots of play action and runs from under center, like Gronk/Hernandez way back when, that won't work out of shotgun. And elam is a press man corner, doesn't fit into this trash scheme either. Beane definitely knew these things, and drafted them hoping for change, and stubborn clappy didn't budge
Maybe this is a philosophical thing that I differ in, but giving up yards in the middle of the field doesn’t matter a whole lot if you’re tightening things up on your side of the field. Seemed to be the case last night.
Kincaid looked good last night to me…he was open all night and on the field a ton. 55 snaps and 38 routes. Not his fault joshs brain somehow disintegrated at halftime.
Gotta completely disagree with you on that one. Wouldn’t disagree about elam though I’m assuming they thought he was coachable to be a scheme fit but it may not have worked out
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9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I’m too dumb to know how to add pics here haha but cover 1 has his route percentage at nine route 19% of the time and corner 5.6%, post 15.3% for last season. Shouldn’t have been too hard for him to sell a go route there he just made absolutely zero effort. Kind of reminds me of that last play against the ravens a few years back where he ran a very much uncrisp slant route and couldn’t beat the single coverage
not sure a route chart from one individual game from 2022 is all the jets are lookin at lol
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3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Dude, get off his eyes, they don't matter here. The defense watches film. The Bills and Allen have become too predictable.
What exactly else, what other routes, did Allen have to look at, that you believe would have moved the defense?
You are correct.
The problem with the read is, the safety knew he could jump the route because it's been on film with Allen to Davis, a bit too often.
And if the Bills don't fix this, and fix this fast, every other safety they play is going to be watching for that.
Idk gabe seems like he’s almost always running gos to me lol maybe that’s anecdotal and I only pay attention to him when he’s running deep though
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
You're correct that there was no "staring down of receivers", but staring down or not, other teams have seen that scene from the movie before - the one where Josh hangs in and is gonna throw it deep to Diggs (or Davis) regardless. The safety knows there are pickings to be had and where they're gonna be.
It's true that Davis did not run a route that faked out the safety, but here's the thing - that's a route that Davis has run (and Josh has burnt teams with) a few too many times. Davis could have had shifty hips like Diggs and the safety would have been "Not Today, Fella".
There's a phrase "going to the well once too often". In this case, it's going to the well many times too often.
Gabe is wide open if he runs a crisp route there literally for the reasons you mentioned earlier in the post lol other teams have seen the movie before and he’s usually running a ton of go routes. Probably the laziest route I’ve ever seen. Still an off target throw though
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1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:
All 3 INT he never took his eyes off the receiver.. All 3! Yes 2 were deeper but he never used his eyes to move the defense.
Lol I’m not objecting to them being bad decisions but I think looking off the receiver was low on the list of problems with those two deep ones 😂
the pick to gabe was a horrendous route…the safety knew exactly where gabe was going from the snap...I don’t think any amount of looking off changes that one. I’m fine with that read though
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12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:
EVERY QB will go into the Jets game with simple instructions not to turn the ball over.. throw it away/take the sack.. etc. the Jets D is good but they were helped by dumb mistakes like staring down the receiver before throwing the ball.
I’m genuinely confused at which play you’re referencing lol two of the picks were bombs into double coverage and one was a play where the ball has to come out before Davis made his break. It was the right read but the throw was too far inside and Davis ran an absolutely atrocious route as he often does. The safety had no business being on that route gabe just made no effort selling that he was going deep
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Teams that can get a ton of pressure with 4 and stay disciplined enough to plug up his running lanes are always gonna give him trouble..I think he’s just gotta learn to turn into a game manager in those situations.
unfortunately for us we’ve seen it twice in a row now with the bengals and jets.
this team just doesn’t seem built well to overcome that, feels like we were only focusing on the chiefs then a bunch of other teams came up with really disciplined defenses. The no running game is an absolute killer
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Just now, Buffalo03 said:
The Bills had a good oline in 2020 and 2021?
Certainly better than last year and it’s hardly debatable. Ok/pretty bad can still be much better than awful lol
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4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
The offensive production is because of Allen… not the “talent” around him… but when his head is in scrambled egg mode you get what you saw last night.
Seems to me that when things aren’t going his way he tries to do even more himself to get a shot at redemption and sometimes it snowballs like last night.
3 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:Not a knee jerk reaction. Some here were calling for Dorsey to be canned after last season.
I agree on the daboll point. I personally think he’s overrated and an above average OC but nothing special.
I know they don’t grow on trees, but we need someone from the shanahan scheme that can scheme this offensive to success and not rely on josh to make amazing plays all the time.
Josh trying to be elite and make splash plays constantly is an indictment of Dorsey’s scheme. Josh doesn’t believe in it and thinks he has to take things into his own hands.
Well yea if you agree with the Daboll point I take no issue 😂. Dorsey isn’t noticeably worse than Daboll is all I was saying…doesn’t bother me where people want to rank both those guys
daboll just surprised first year as a head coach so people are elevating what he did with the bills. I think it’s likely gonna come crashing back to earth this year though
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1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:
If you watch the replay, it's easy to see the guy didn't swing his leg. It was an effort at a low block--certainly the way everyone here would have called it if it was the Bills game winning return.
That may have been his intent but it was absolutely unquestionably a trip lol idk how anyone can say otherwise. Jets more than likely still go on to win regardless though so it doesn’t mean much
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4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
It's more frequent now. You're telling me he hasn't been worse the last 2 years ever since he started to get more popular and star in commercials? He's getting a big head. He did literally next to nothing commercial wise or popularity wise in 2020 or 2021 which, ironically were his 2 best seasons
Yes I am lol. If you gave him the 2020/2021 bills oline last year he is the mvp bad elbow and all and the bills have a chance at 17-0…it has nothing to do with commercials.
when you have disciplined linebackers that can plug up his rushing lanes and pressure him with 4 he’s gonna struggle…he always has. the jets did both those things extremely well as did the bengals in the playoff game
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9 hours ago, peterpan said:
Allen is obviously regressing BAD. It was evident last year with Daboll gone.
allen obviously needs better coaching, and I believe that can only happen with an offense head coach who will be here for a long time.
I still cannot fathom this point…seems like a knee jerk reaction after a bad game. There were plenty of games with Daboll here where the offense was useless and now that he’s gone people are misremembering imo. This board was constantly criticizing Dabolls playcalling and mostly happy when he left.
the offense was statistically great last year despite having two horrendous offensive linemen and a qb with a bum elbow for half the season…it has nothing to do with Daboll leaving
teams like the jets and prime tj watt Steelers have always given josh problems
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1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:
It's more a case of making an example of Josh - you're not listening so sit down and think on it - rather than expecting anything good out of Kyle, to be honest.
The question is how would Josh deal with public humiliation from the coaching team? Will it help him reset or just make him more nervous and desperate? Again, the coaches have to make the right choice.
You think public humiliation will help him mentally? Haha it’s all kind of moot because there’s a 0% chance they do this
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7 hours ago, Bleedingreennc said:
A great run defense isn't needed to win a SB? I would figure a team facing Zach Wilson would be able to stop the run considering that dude can't pass worth *****. I would be stacking the line against him. So yes, a great run defense is necessary to win a SB. It forces the other team to throw more and make more mistakes.
I can kind of see both sides…maybe people are used to the chiefs who can’t run the football against a light box.. it’s a lot more nuanced than ‘oh you know they’re gonna run it should be easy to stop’ though too. There’s a lot of different ways a running play can be presented. Bills gave up some big runs last night but that’s gonna happen every now and then when a team is hammering the run. They also make plenty of huge stops in the backfield too
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1 minute ago, colin said:
was that bomb the first one? if so, i disagree, because he was able to trot for a 1st and more. he showed no awareness.
I mean that’s hard to say…the jets entire shtick last night was baiting josh into running lanes that looked available then they collapsed extremely quickly
3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:I said after the game if the same thing happens against the Raiders, then Kyle Allen needs to come in for a series of two. See if extreme measures can work. Trouble is, if Kyle has a nightmare, it just re-enforces Josh as the best option, which we know is the case any way.
Something needs to give, and it's up to the coaches to make the right choice. Does he need an arm round the shoulder? A boot up the backside? A good cop/bad cop routine? If they don't get it right then Miami will have no competition in the AFCE.
Are we seriously entertaining Kyle Allen not being terrible? Lol. Criticize josh all you want but there is no way Kyle Allen with no running game is going to have any amount of success
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6 hours ago, cgg716 said:
He was definitely trash, but even that included 70 percent completions. His coaches are trash, scheme doesn't fit the personnel on offense. And we invest money and resources into the D every year, only to never be able to stop the run. Excuses? Maybe, but the organization is a dumpster fire. Look no further than Kincaid and Elam. Problems run WAY deeper than josh
I thought the d was pretty good honestly…they defended short fields all night and gave up 16 points. I would’ve said great if they were playing a qb better than Wilson lol
what was wrong with Kincaid? He was open all night.
1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:The commercials are getting to his head. Notice the best football he ever played was before the commercials started
The revisionist history on this still puzzles me…I keep hearing ‘it was Daboll, it was the commercials’ yada yada but josh has had a few absolute stinkers like this every year his entire career.
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8 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
The funny thing is if Josh Allen just made normal plays he would still be a top QB. For every jump over a guy and do something amazing, he does 2 things that are you scratching your head wondering if he has a concussion. Give him some Ritalin or something..dude is a spaz
The hero ball generally helps much more than it hurts…I’d agree with that based on last nights game though.
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3 minutes ago, FireChans said:
The OPI call was laughable in that spot.
False starts are presnap so not much to do. The leg whip wouldn’t have mattered.
Thought it was a well called game for the most part.
How would the leg whip not have mattered? I don’t remember the exact yard line that it occurred on but it’s a 15 yarder I’m pretty sure. So even if it happened on the 30 that is far from a guaranteed fg if the bills stop them
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1 hour ago, colin said:
As soon as we didn't get some 3rd downs (and we were close mind you) doing dink and dunk Josh decided he was just gonna play hero ball. 3 of the 4 turnovers were horrible decisions while not under duress, and he walked into pressure or left clean pockets other times.
Dorsey has to figure out how to get the I working best, and he's no where near that yet, but Allen just not throwing those three horrible decision throws means we win walking away
I’d say two were horrible decisions…I’m alright with the bomb on 3rd and 8 that went down as a good punt, the jets were honestly kind of stupid for intercepting that. The ball to Davis was a fine read he just didn’t make a great throw and Davis ran an absolute garbage route which allowed the safety to jump it from very far away
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Not sure how people will react to this lol but I completely agree. Sauce is the new household name corner that gets away with everything which is to be expected, but don’t call an opi on a receiver for fighting back
definitely deserved to lose anyway and we still could’ve lost if all those calls went our way though
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Just now, BBFL said:
Curious as to how many fans feel this loss is worse than the Bengals no show to end last season…
It’d be worse to me if virtually the same exact game didn’t happen vs the jets last season so I’m likely giving the bills more benefit of the doubt than I should
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Just now, UKBillFan said:
Wilson protected the ball better than Josh. That’s all the Bills needed.That’s all they needed after going up two scores maybe…but they had to go up two scores first lol
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Just now, UKBillFan said:
You would have been if the Bills had someone just making average plays at quarterback. Heck, if the Bills had Wilson the result would have been different tonight.I think the jets would have shut the bills out if there was a Wilson vs Wilson mirror match all game tonight at qb lol
we’re dunking on all of Josh’s bad plays tonight and that’s certainly deserved, but josh pulled off some magic on quite a few plays tonight too that led to points
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5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
Allen has regressed badly. It’s starting to look like almost all the work done under Daboll has been unraveling.
The panic / risk taker is supposed to be phasing out of his game at this point of his career.
The window for this team was the 2021 season.
Anyone saying “it’s just one game, it’ll be fine” is not grasping the dog fight the AFC East and wild card spots is going to be.
The team was up double digits in the second half against a deflated team. The only thing they couldn’t do was beat themselves. This game is a fireable offense.
I’m on the flip side of this I think trying to coach the risk taker out of him is killing his confidence…that panicked throwaway ish pass to Knox in ot irritated me more than anything all night because he was playing scared and tried to keep the ball away from sauce who was barely a factor on that play.
gotta pick yourself up and keep doing what you do in a bad game but josh seemed clearly rattled tonight and it all snowballed. That’s something you just never see happen to mahomes even in that bucs Super Bowl where he was getting pulverized all night
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Rodgers out for the year (UPDATE: Rodgers wants to return for playoffs)
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I mean that first part was a bit of a joke I don’t think it was worthy of a good grief 😂. But the point is he predominantly runs go routes when you look at the season statistics and easily could have sold one there had he put in any amount of effort. This idea that he has run so many corner routes that it is telegraphed is a massive over exaggeration imo and cherry picking one single game route chart doesn’t prove anything. And to the pats fans original point, ‘staring down a receiver’ does not give away the route when the throw is out before he makes his break. If anything, it could further make the defense think a go route is coming.
Ah yes that was brown you are correct. Either way davis’ terrible route last night reminded me of that. It is objectively an issue with Davis that has cropped up quite a few times but I definitely misidentified him on that play for which I apologize.