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3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
The offense was great when they let it be great.
Absolutely McDermott decided a 14 pt lead was good enough to start playing clock burning football and it killed our offensive momentum. Which is something he needs to pay attention to because you can't burn clock when you don't get 1st downs. That's what's more important if he wants to actually burn clock, doesn't matter if the play style goes against conventional wisdom of a run first and short pass game to do it. If you don't hang on to the ball your not going to burn the clock.
It’s a calculated risk that we all get to criticize with the power of hindsight. For instance, that pass attempt to a wide open knox to close out the giants game did not work out and everyone jumped all over it. Fairly aggressive play but very high percentage and we missed it
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11 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:
You’re misunderstanding me either purposefully or other.
You’re telling me you’re worried about going for one of the 4ths because it gives the Bucs a chance at a short field if they stop the Bills. That creates a potential “ballgame” out of a comfortable lead.
I’m telling you the team did what you’re advocating for and it ended up being a ballgame decided on the last play, anyway.
I’m not misunderstanding you at all I think you are grossly misusing ‘ballgame’. That Hail Mary was at the very edge of the range where baker could even reach…nobody could even locate it cuz it was in the air forever. That’s a 1/1000 type play and the way the bucs were mismanaging the clock late there was no way the game was going to end any other way. It was taking them far too long to move the ball.
if you go for one/a few of those 4th and shorts and get stopped, then your defense that you don’t trust is defending one/multiple short fields and the clock is no longer a factor. Every one of those punts was the right call against a team like the bucs every single time and all of the punts were outstanding but we whiffed downing that final one deep
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2 minutes ago, JTown said:
Bad luck? If tonight's game was not filled with enough examples of horrendous coaching you are extremely biased.
I have been a fan since my first game in 1972. I get it. But believe me, being a fan don't mean that you have to accept the garbage game management McClappy displayed yet again. That was pure trash. I found myself laughing tonight knowing his stupid use of timeouts were likely going to cost us the game. He is clueless.
Dorsey and his moronic play calling at the 1/2 yard line? Are you kidding me? He should be gone by morning.
Nothing is going to change this season. Book it. If they fail to make the playoffs or lose before the championship round, Clappy will use Dorsey as the scapegoat. Book it.
Unfortunately, we I think we are stuck with Mc Clappy for two more seasons and I don't think either of which will be "Championship Caliber" .
I don’t think you’re the savvy football fan you think you are if you weren’t a fan of that timeout before halftime…really incredible to me that everyone is supposedly smarter than mcd here and the one time he does something that a smart coach would do they don’t recognize it 😂
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1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:
The fact that TB got to midfield and was able to hurl a ball into the end zone with a decent shot at scoring the winning TD is what we're talkign about. I agree that it wasn't as close as some are saying but the fact that it was a lot closer then it should have been can not be denied.
Decent shot!? Haha they complete that pass probably less that 1 in 100 tries…if you go for every 4th and short in the second half the bucs odds are much better than that. It’s a wild argument from fans that just wanted to see more offense…I understand where the sentiment is coming from but rational thought has left the building 😂. People think dropping 100 tonight would make them feel better about the games we lost but it doesn’t change the past
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Just now, Best Williams Available said:
You’re totally focused on the last 4th down, which I said was not a bad decision. 2 other 4th and shorts from past the 50 up 14 with plenty of time, even if they’re stopped doesn’t significantly increase the Bucs win %. Get 1 of them however and the Bills % does.
“One stop and it’s a ballgame”?? It ended up being a ballgame anyway using what you and the coaches think is sound logic.
No it’s all if them not just the last…if it’s gonna take 8+ minutes for tb to punch in the td why would you want to risk giving them good field position?
plenty of time lol how? they are vastly shortening a game that we were up two scores. A Hail Mary attempt that baker could only reach with the ball arced a mile in the air is hardly a ballgame…was us running a hook and ladder on the final play against the jags a ballgame? Y’all are just broken from a Hail Mary a few years ago clearly 😂. That play was not even close
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Just now, Breakout Squad said:
2 feet and Tampa wins? HUH?!?
People are out of their minds tonight…that Hail Mary was not even close lol it’s just about as far as you can get on a ball that made it to the end zone
baker didn’t have the arm strength to get it there so he had to throw an absolute rainbow
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Just now, CincyBillsFan said:
They got the 1st down with the Diggs catch. The Browns got the ball at their own 20 yard line with 21 seconds left. That they actually got within a few feet of winning the game is a trademark of a McD defense. It was almost as bad as "13 seconds".
Y’all are making it sound like a receiver had their hands on it or something lol this is the exaggeration of a lifetime…that Hail Mary might have been one of the furthest from being completed I’ve ever seen. Nobody even located the football to make a play on it
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1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Started out good, Allen got a designed run, spread formations, 4 wide empty out of shotgun.
And then slowly we reverted back - tight formations, shotgun runs from the 1-inch line, 2nd-down runs in the red zone, McDermott taking horrible timeouts at the end of the first half and second half, the pace slowed down, the energy dropped.
And my gosh you see Harty making those kind of returns and you can’t find a way to get that guy the ball on offense????????????????
Freaking 2-feet and Tampa wins this game.
Board is off their rocker tonight imo with some of this…the timeout to close out the first half was actually really savvy. Tb wanted that fg attempt to close out the half with no risk of buffalo getting the ball back.
the goal line run out of shotgun absolutely deserves to be criticized
a receiver being 2 feet away from a Hail Mary is almost winning a game? Come on. No one even knew where the ball was on either team because it was an absolute duck lol
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3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
McD / Dorsey started out with the right idea : more Josh Allen. Trouble is when the offense stalled a few times in the second half , he just couldn’t help himself and his conservative nature . They punted and it worked out, but the opportunity arose again to go for it on 4th and 2. The Analytics would probably say to go for it , get another score and effectively end the game. Again - you have Josh Allen! Get the 2 yards. Now, I understand his shoulder was sore but he was back in the game and doing fine. Instead he put it in the hands of his wounded defense to close it out. Not surprisingly, they were back on D with the game in the balance for a third consecutive week. They turned a B+ / A game into a C-. This one shouldn’t have been that close , and was almost another mind boggling debacle in the end.
The analytics would absolutely say to punt against an opponent like the bucs and it is not even remotely close… that td drive required a lot of luck and took foreverrrrr
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1 minute ago, Best Williams Available said:
The team is 2-1 in their last 3 games against bottom half teams. The Giants game should have been a loss too. So possibly 1-2 against not high powered Os. Any above avg O and they could be 0-3. The point being, the D is not up to snuff AND the rules favor offense so you have to do something to mitigate that as a coach. This idiot refuses to acknowledge that.
I’m not even advocating for going for it on that last 4th down but there were plenty of opportunities to put the game away earlier that he passed up. Being aggressive then is a way to mitigate the end game scenario.
Your logic is flawed….they are making these in game decisions with the current opponent in mind. That is my whole point. They’re not gonna say ‘well the chiefs have a good offense so let’s go for this 4th and short on the 40 against the bucs’ lol it’s illogical.
Tbs win percentage probably goes way up if we attempted those 4th and shorts. One stop and it’s a ballgame. They’ve got a bottom tier offense but a pretty good defense
giants and pats the offense struggles moving the football and the offensive line got pulverized. Tonight was a much better result against a better defense
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Just now, section122 said:
I fully support the punt with 30 seconds left. Make them drive the length of the field with 20 seconds. They had a very low percentage chance of winning on that play.
Also how wierd was it that tb took 6 minutes off the clock on themselves in a 2 score game?
Tb ran themselves straight out of the game and scored 8 points on complete lucky plays aided by an absolutely blatant push off by evans. Still didn’t have better than a 1/100 shot of winning it despite that
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Just now, LABILLBACKER said:
Other than Lawson's blocked fg, ST had another disappointing night. The lack of discipline & coaching creates those 4th down penalties.
Those ST penalties were absolute killers….we were dominating the field position battle and just throwing it away
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Just now, Alpo Chino said:
Keep the pedal down with the hurry up and go for it on 4th and 5 or less in other teams territory. This will be the way come end of season.
It definitely will be against teams not named the buccaneers….that’s why I’m not really connecting with this criticism tonight. I will be right there with y’all if we’re punting in that situation against kc mark my words
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11 minutes ago, somnus00 said:
Style points don't count. You're absolutely correct. I don't think anyone is mad that the Bills won. But the way in which you win can give you insight into future results. And the way they won this game gives many a bad feeding about the rest of the season. That's understandable, no?
Not understandable at all imo…you do what maximizes your percentage of winning the game in question and there was little to no chance the bucs were winning this way
I know y’all want to see points and so on and want your qb to throw for 500 yards but if a team wants to run the clock out on themselves you let them every time. I think past emotional trauma is giving the illusion that that game was closer than it was, not so much the actual game itself
tampas defense is pretty good one stop around midfield and you completely lose having the clock as your best defender.
if the bills oline can hold up like that consistently they’ve got a shot in every game
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2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
How'd it work out? Still nearly lost to another backbreaking last second play. Never should have come to that
Nearly lost? No one was remotely close to catching that lol this is peak crazy town. This is like saying the jags almost lost to us cuz we had a chance at a hook and ladder play at the end 😂
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Just now, Simon said:
I think that was all sugar Josh
Looked like he thought they were Offside…they jumped but they may have gotten back in time
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1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
If he dies that against Cincinnati, I'm all in on firing McDermott.
He won’t…cincy can score on this defense quickly…the bucs basically conceded the game tonight with that long drive and we were like oookay lol. Literally everything went their way, balls bouncing off guys heads, balls getting tipped and caught/picked, boneheaded penalty by Jordan Phillips, and they still just couldn’t move the ball fast enough to win
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2 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:
Almost no defense can hold an opposing offense down 1 score with the game on the line because the NFL rules and officials are stacked in favor of the offense. Defensive-minded old school aholes like McD can’t grasp this and consistently put their players in positions to lose not win.
Every defense can when the clock is on your side…up 6 with 30 seconds left and the opponent has no timeouts and you have a pretty good chance to pin the ball deep is probably 99 out of 100 times a win at the very least
y’all just don’t have a handle on the game flow tonight it feels like. Yea if it’s a high powered offense on the other side that can score quickly maybe you take some more risks on offense but it wasn’t
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Just now, Success said:
My thoughts on the game:
- the O-line was fantastic
- We're not the smartest team at times. They should get an old tape of Levy saying don't be dumb, don't be dirty
- They heard us all week - Josh ran, and the no huddle was effective
- I love Ryan Fitzpatrick
My god I do not want to be Jordan phillips in that locker room
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Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Well that decision nearly cost the game putting that defense out there
Did it? Because Godwin was like 4 feet from catching a Hail Mary that he couldn’t even locate in the air? lol
think about the alternative where there’s a good shot we got stopped at midfield once or maybe two times giving the bucs plenty of time to score. If you don’t trust the defense, how the heck does that risk make sense? The clock was our best defender in the second half it doesn’t matter if it’s pretty. Literally every bounce went the bucs way, they caught every break imaginable and they still couldn’t win
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Just now, <bills4life> said:
Yeah lining up at the 1 inch line at the goal line in a shotgun formation only to get stuffed a yard and a half behind the line of scrimmage to end up with nothing is a sure stroke of genius. Same thing happened the week before. Which cost is the game. Don’t even get me started on the defense. Take off your rose colored glasses. This coaching staff is in way over its head.
Yea that terrible defense forced a quick punt and our offense got the ball back at the 24 lol.
there’s been a lot of valid criticisms up to this point but tonight I think people are kind of losing the plot imo. Against the bucs you just don’t risk turning it over at midfield, it takes them far too long to drive down the field. Against the bucs and eagles and such the same decisions will not be made, those teams can score in a hurry. This whole ‘imagine if we were playing the eagles tonight’ is a moot point
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2 minutes ago, Mango said:
A lot of noise from everybody with a keyboard this week. A lot of good this week. A lot. Credit to Josh, Dorsey, McD, the Defense, and Special Teams.
All three phases were lights out
My biggest knock is I lost an 11 leg parlay tonight because I took Cook on 2+ receptions. He had 1. Dorsey is a bum.
I just cannot understand this board tonight lol you don’t risk turning the ball over at midfield against the bucs…offense moved the ball all night, dumb playcall from the goal line is a valid criticism, and we will not be punting on 4th and shorts against the bengals and eagles of the league.
the bucs defense ain’t bad and our offensive line held up that’s a huge win
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Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:
The problem is the refs didn't call it and if Goodwwin catches the ball we lose.
This playing scared isn't going to work against teams like the Eagles and Chiefs. We're not going to the SB so there's no reason not to play more aggressive football but Sean's addicted to safety and caution which fuels a lack of confidence.
You don’t think the bills will go for more 4th and shorts against offenses better than the bucs? These gameday threads man I swear 😂. The only way tb beats us is if we turn it over on downs around midfield then the clock is no issue
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3 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:
Ok. I’m out. You’ve been proven wrong and you refuse to acknowledge. Good chat.
In what way is having a minute left to prevent a game winning fg anywhere close to having 30 seconds to prevent a td? You are entirely and objectively incorrect in every conceivable way. I am thankful every day the posters in this gameday thread have no control of the bills decision making lol
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TB / Buffalo Postgame thread
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I still really don’t understand that one…the only answer I’ll maybe accept is they were worried josh was banged up on a previous play. I will defend the punts all night long on this board but that shotgun run on the goal line is a real head scratcher.
I can kind of understand it in other areas of the field because you don’t want to telegraph if a play is a pass or a run based on formations/substitutions but on the goal line I just can’t understand it