Generic_Bills_Fan

No disagreement there…he blew this one on the fumble alone without anything else needed as evidence and there’s plenty of stuff you can pile on top of that. but even someone like mahomes falls on his face sometimes in a big moment like the afc championship last year. If he starts coming up small in big moments in the playoffs then I might start to agree with your original point a bit more it’s pretty criminal how many clutch drives he’s had spoiled by poopy defensive play if we’re talking about his career overall. Arizona and KC last year immediately come to mind

I’m all for criticizing him when he deserves it and the throw itself was absolutely awful no matter what one believes about the read/decision…but not a clutch performer is a huge stretch. he was on his way to the statistically best playoff run for a qb in history when the defense choked against kc last year with two of the most clutch late drives I’ve ever seen back to back…he had comeback wins over kc and baltimore this year, he and gabe bailed us out big time in the bills colts playoff game two years ago, tons of examples of him being clutch in big moments

I think a big part of it is the team has just no confidence in their ability to punch it in in a goal to go situation. Singletary got stuffed on every carry in the second half. I don’t blame him for targeting the single coverage when Davis had a step but that ball was def off target that’s a pretty routine play against man and it’s likely a td with a better throw

That’s a good point and the criticism doesn’t make sense to me either…I don’t think it’s physically possible to lose a half yard on a single sneak assuming the snap is clean. And if they got straight up stonewalled on sneak one and lost a little bit they have the option of running a different play on sneak 2. the ‘getting antsy by your own goal line so the snap went bad’ isn’t exclusive to sneaks at all

I’ve been seein the same thing…I also don’t think a sneak has lost a half yard in history. I’m not sure you even can physically lose a half yard on a sneak…they’d rule the qbs forward progress stopped long before that. If josh was rushing he was likely looking ahead to the next play thinking ‘oh man if we lose a little bit on this sneak we might be in trouble on the next one’

Gabe was open…that was a great route concept against the defense minny was running…it’s a shame he was worried about smith cuz he bit hard on the other post route smith thought they were cooked and makes a desperation dive but thankfully for him josh threw a terrible ball

Admittedly I’m not even 100% sure…it could’ve just been a throw that was so awful that it looked like Davis was supposed to run a different route 😂 It’s just so puzzling because the concept worked and it was single coverage with really no gimmicks or wrinkles and Davis won. There’s almost no way that play can end in an int so naturally that’s what happened haha originally it looked like Allen just panicked and launched the ball into triple coverage from the broadcast angle so I was really surprised when I saw some different angles

How’d you feel about the first down play to Knox that probably should’ve been hung on to? I think the 2nd down play should’ve been even more likely to result in a td/first down near the goal line if Davis/josh were on the same page but somebody for sure blew it. Easy to blame josh cuz he fumbled the game away in regulation but I’m not sure that’s the case. either way this team seems pretty terrified of goal to go situations and both Knox/Davis had position on their defenders in single coverage it looked gnarly on the broadcast angle cuz something went horribly wrong there lol but the route concept on that final play definitely worked

It’d be moronic to not play for a tie game when Minnesota likely still had time to get in fg range? Not saying we would’ve gotten the first there but i think it’s pretty easy to make the case to go for it If there was less time and it was a 4th and medium/long maybe id kick the fg…in the situation op described though I certainly wouldn’t.

This is the question…I think the aggressiveness there was predicated on the fact that we have little to no faith in our ability to punch in a td in a goal to go situation. It’s a shame too because the double post was the ticket there and Davis drew the single coverage and had a step. Not sure what happened from there though…was it just a horrendous throw or a miscommunication i think we would’ve gone for it on a 4th and 2 and it’d be a 50/50 shot again

I’ve watched it like 400 times because something just didn’t add up lol it’s a double post and the concept worked so it was Davis with a step on Peterson with no extra help. There’s two different route options that would’ve worked there and josh threw it to one on a bullet and gabe ran to the other one that would’ve required a lob. Could be a massive coincidence and just an absolutely terrible throw but I’m not so sure that’s the case. this is certainly not to just blindly defend josh against criticism…he’s had some absolutely terrible throws that were entirely his fault the past few weeks but this was not our typical ‘he just didn’t see that defender’ situation. This was straight up man and Peterson was beat

He’s had some real bad ones that were entirely on him…but something odd happened on that final play yesterday. The double post worked to perfection clearing out the safety and Davis had a step on Peterson in single coverage. If Davis wasn’t expected to route adjust based on the coverage that ball would’ve been aired out to the back of the end zone so josh would have bulleted the ball for no reason and missed by about 12 yards. Pretty unlikely. I’ve seen people saying Davis was supposed to cut his route short and sit underneath because the safety went high which very well may have been the case and it would’ve put the throw pretty much right on target and Davis would’ve had Peterson boxed out and been open

I’m the opposite lol I feel better about the deep passes than the medium passes…deep passes are usually josh picking on single coverage but the short/medium stuff he has been not seeing underneath defenders pretty often

This is a perfectly reasonable criticism of the situation

Whoever said the mentally ready thing in this thread is jumping to conclusions. Team doctors have confirmed he doesn’t have any knee complications but that doesn’t mean he’s game ready. There’s no injury designation for ‘would be a liability if he played meaningful snaps in a game because he’s not in shape yet’

I don’t think everyone around here gets the PUP/ IR status details lol just because they activated him off the pup list doesn’t mean he’s ready to play

Odell does not currently have a contract so it is in his best interest to get signed by a team as soon as possible. He is ‘cleared’ and has been delaying team visits likely because he is not in game shape. There’s more to getting football ready than being physically cleared

I love how we supposedly don’t care about rushing tre white from an infamously terrible knee injury but people lost their minds when josh played a week after an elbow injury that nobody really knew anything about 🤣

They do not look like frauds…they look like a team that is shooting itself in the foot trying to close out games for sure though. It took pretty much act of god level type stuff for a good team to come back and beat us there. That Jefferson catch on 4th down and the fumbled snap were both insanely unlikely

I don’t think anyone would argue we deserved to lose…if you can’t hold on to a snap to run out the clock what can you do lol

Jeff Wilson isn’t really a fair comparison cuz he already pretty much knew the offense coming from SF

Second time I’ve seen somebody say this so I’m gonna check it again with that in mind lol makes more sense than what I was thinking cuz josh would’ve missed the throw I was thinking of by a huge amount ah didn’t even catch that you said it was from the press conference haha who said it in the conference? so I watched that play 100 times for nothing 😂

I’m not sure if the post you’re responding to quite saw what I saw. the throw itself was absolutely terrible and about 12 yards off target but the read seemed fine imo. That’s a standard man coverage beater that freed Davis up…he had a step on Peterson with no safety help and a very good chance at a td if the throw has some air in the back of the end zone. very routine play… it wasn’t at all this huge risk it’s being portrayed as. If that ball hits that pretty big window in the back of the end zone (which ironically encompassed both the L’s in the end zone because it ended up losing us the game lol) it’s 50/50 a td or an incomplete pass. Josh threw just about the worst ball I’ve ever seen though. if he was gonna be that off target on a 30 yard pass I’m not even sure he could’ve hit that wide open singletary right in front of his face 🤣 I’ll watch it again with that in mind…that play looked like it was designed to go to the back middle of the end zone initially and he just threw it way behind gabe to me

I think Davis was worried the safety wouldn’t bite as hard on the other crosser and wanted to leave some room just in case but man did that play work as designed. So funny listening to Peterson saying ‘we knew josh would go for the end zone so we defended it well’ or whatever haha they most certainly did not. That was the perfect play to counter the Vikings defense there. he was beat for what was likely the game winner or an incompletion at worst but Allen threw a pass that was so bad that it was genuinely difficult to tell where it was going from the broadcast angle 🤣

That’s interesting…I’d call a sneak losing a half yard wildly improbable. And if they lost almost a half yard on the first sneak they’d obviously not try two in a row. if you’re forced to run 3 pass plays you’d think the odds of something going wrong would increase because there’s an extra play in there.