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Tyrod is so much better than Daniel Jones for the giants current situation The whole thing is much ado about nothing. Jerseys were gettin grabbed all night (mostly by the giants). Two big uncalled holds killed bills drives

People aren’t really understanding the link between offense and defense it feels like…our defense can’t get anyone off the field which leads to worse field position, being behind on TOP, and the opposing defense stays fresher. the giants defense has been hung out to dry by their offense all year long so nobody really knows what they are capable of. They actually possessed the ball on offense decently for once which allowed that defense to fly all over the field for all four quarters. Usually they play well then gas out just before halftime because their offense has like 30 yards with 1 or 2 first downs lol then they put some long meaningless drive together in garbage time to even out the numbers a bit

Giants were holding all night on offense and defense…that seemed like their game plan as I’m sure Daboll watched the chiefs shut the bills down like that time after time when he was OC loL. its one of life’s greatest ironies that this much hoopla is being made about one missed hold late in the game. goal line/short yardage defense was outstanding. Second half josh was outstanding. Guys we haven’t had much faith in continue to play well on the defensive side.

Meh I wouldn’t say they got a gift…should’ve been pi late technically but the giants got away with a ton of holding all game long too. I was honestly surprised they called the first pi to close out the game based on what the giants were getting away with. davis got held on a probable td on the first drive…this pic everyone is using to illustrate we are apparently forcing the ball to diggs in double coverage diggs got held and that was a possible td also. Guys grab jerseys all night long it was kind of surprising to see it called late. Normally guys are only doing that late because they know they’ve been getting away with it. it’s tough to evaluate Dorsey… last year I think Josh’s elbow nuked the underneath passing game cuz his accuracy was shot and this year we’ve looked great when the offensive line holds up but those guys got absolutely steamrolled last night. Even these highly acclaimed play callers like Andy Reid and Ben Johnson’s offenses look pretty terrible when their offensive line is getting whooped. idk that the jags loss/almost giants loss are ‘all offense related’. It’s a little more nuanced than that. The defense couldn’t really get either teams offense off the field which really hurt field position and kept the opposing defenses fresh. The giants defense has been completely hung out to dry by their offense all season so we really don’t even know what those guys are capable of. Dexter Lawrence is a near Chris jones level beast. Look at their 40-0 loss to the cowboys, the cowboys had less offensive yards than we did last night if you can believe that lol

Diggs was actually the only one open on that play until getting held lol that’s exactly who the ball should’ve gone to and was probably a td…ball was put right where it needed to be. The ball is not at all getting forced to diggs…the giants baited him into some throws where linebackers dropped underneath and josh didn’t see them though

I def flubbed the yard lines for sure haha but I think the advanced metrics probably said go for it which is why we did it. Even if that pass to Knox and fg are both 50/50 it’s a 75% chance of hitting on one of those things then you gotta factor in the odds you actually pin them deep rather than a touchback…it was probably pretty close either way

He’s almost out of his joke portion though and mahomes has nearly a full division slate of joke games. The dolphins have played like 4 of the bottom 5 teams already 😂 I really thought our pass blocking turned the corner and this was gonna be Josh’s year but that does not seem to be the case. He’s still got a chance though The 1 pick didn’t hurt in itself but his total is a little high on the year and the low yardage total doesn’t help.. I wish they looked into the context a little more for mvp votes cuz the vast majority of Allen’s picks have been pretty good arm punts that strategically didn’t really hurt

The defenses in his division are so poopy though that I think he’s got a good chance. Tua is lucky the giants offense was completely inept last week he pretty much threw the game away on a couple picks if their offense could do anything

This was a weird game…like it wasn’t even that ‘ugly’ per se. The giants were just winning up front handedly. There were a few flukey plays keeping points off the board for both teams and a couple super long drives in the second half…felt like a 23-20 type game to me

That game should’ve helped his mvp case but with it being a primarily statistical award with 0 context it will hurt him a lot

Oh yea I wouldn’t argue that…pass blocking still seems to be a huge issue. The run blocking it appears he’s righted the ship on a bit though. So disheartening because it seemed like we may have had it figured out…even against the jets they didn’t look that bad

So weird I really thought the offensive line turned the corner in a well rounded way but it appears to be mostly in run blocking. The jags were wise to this and absolutely loaded the box knowing their rushers would get home on a passing play anyway…probably could’ve stood to run the ball more against the giants but to really commit to the run I feel like you’ve gotta be confident you can pick up a 3rd and medium passing the football and that did not seem to be the case last night

I think this is happening because we are adjusting for a bad offensive line though that’s the interesting part…this is a very damned if you do damned if you don’t situation. You’re giving up the route tree of one/two skill position players to shore up the oline. We probably could’ve run the ball under center more too I think that’s a valid criticism but that would’ve brought up more third and mediums likely that I’m not sure we would convert. I’ve watched the giants play all year being in downstate ny lol and their defense is honestly pretty good and a lot of their strengths are up front. Theyve got a great DT which always gives us problems. They’ve probably had the toughest starting schedule in the league and the giants miserable offense has been putting them in absolutely terrible situations. if their offense played a little better last week they would’ve absolutely been in the game vs Miami who had two huge turnovers. our defense has gone blameless because they’re fighting an uphill battle due to injuries but they gave up some long drives which kept our offense off the field…we only had 9 total drives. if you’re gonna miss all your fg attempts 14 points on 9 total drives when your offensive line is getting smoked sounds about right. If we had the typical 11-12 total drives we probably score 20 I think at least a portion of this outrage is the result of fans not really understanding the opponent. To me it was just as much about our defense not being able to prevent long drives limiting our offense as our offense limiting our offense. Some of that was due to unintentionally benching absolute clown Daniel jones for a qb with more mobility and some was saquon returning…hard to say how good/bad this current iteration of the giants offense is though Also when we started to get them on the ropes to begin the cycle of gassin out their defense the giants conveniently started a big fight that bought them like 10 minutes to catch their breath I thought that was pretty bush league from Daboll but it was pretty clever lol

I really don’t know if I’m taking crazy pills or something but it seems as simple as…pass blocking bad offense bad. Pass blocking good offense good to me for years now lol if we hold up up front we destroy teams typically. Idk if people don’t want to believe this or they want to blame the qb/skill position players/ play design or what but the OL was a massive issue last night to the point where who even knows what the play design is? Everything broke down pretty much instantly. And you’ve got skill position players in chipping to help the OL out and they’re still getting smoked so that’s limiting the route tree of one/multiple pass catchers just to not quite hold up in pass protection. people are like ohhh Ben Johnson in Detroit what a genius…one of the best offensive lines. Oh Andy Reid another genius….perennially one of the best offensive lines. Oh eagles OC from last year that I forgot the name of lol genius…one of the best offensive lines. Games where their olines don’t hold up they look just as bad as anyone else. Look at philly and kc vs the jets this year

Bills undoubtedly once people settle down in the next few days lol they would trade places with us in an instant

Idk why everyone is hung up on ‘it was the giants’…I don’t care who it was…their front 7 absolutely obliterated us to levels no other team that is supposedly way better on paper has this year. You plug any other qb in there not named mahomes and they have absolutely no shot at making any of those drive extending plays last night. Not sure it’s even debatable. I mean, y’all can continue with the ‘you don’t think anyone else can score on the giants’ shtick but that is very clearly not what I meant 😂. Idk if it was Daboll knowing our OL tendencies or the giants defense finally not being on the field for 45 minutes or what but they absolutely roasted us up front. Dexter Lawrence has unquestionably been a beast all season though so idk how ridiculously surprising it is there were also quite a few loooong drives for both teams in this one. Normally the giants go instantly three and out lol we got 9 total drives in this one people sayin geno scored on the giants why couldn’t the bills should probably review the stat line from that game…pretty much the entire Seahawks offensive output came on one busted coverage with lock at qb…Seahawks had even less total yardage than us on two more drives. Cowboys had less total yardage than us also in their 40-0 win if you can believe that 🤣. Dak was 13/24 for 143 yards. They did a decent job against tua…he just cracked 300 yards but he turned it over twice. The giants offense has been what is losing them games.. they have been historically awful up until this game. Everything snowballs for them because they are a blitz heavy team and their guys gas out when their offense goes three and out ten times in a row. I think the Daniel jones injury really helped them out, tyrod is the kind of qb they need. He will not make a mistake leading to a sudden change for his defense and he’s got more mobility than jones

A bit of an oversimplification…what are the odds you can’t complete that throw to the TE and miss that fg. Also you’ve gotta still punt the ball out at the 10 lol if it was a touchback it was only like 16 yards of field position change for a chance to end the game. They just missed back to back pretty high percentage plays to win the game and now everybody is playing the hindsight game 5% chance is a weird number to assign even if the punt was guaranteed to be as good as you’re saying they had to go an extra 25 yards in 4 down territory where a td wins it vs giving up two very high percentage chances of ending the game

I don’t think running for his life was an exaggeration at all and people that think it is should probably rewatch the game 😂. That’s one of the worst offensive line performances I’ve ever seen us have. Well if you downplay the offensive line point I wouldn’t expect you to agree with the ‘no other qb can do that’ point haha there were a handful of throws josh made under instant pressure that maybe one other guy in the league can make that extended both of those td drives. It has nothing to do with hero worship, I can comfortably say the offensive line held up pretty well week 1 and josh single handedly lost the game. I clearly wasn’t saying ‘no other qb can score 2 tds in a game’ haha that did give me a chuckle though. No shot any of those guys you listed make a lot of those second half throws and that is an objective fact. Teams make changes on a week to week basis and their head coach pretty much designed our offensive system and knows our offensive linemens tendencies better than anyone. Bringing up other teams that have played the giants past weeks is completely illogical. we blew out three teams this season did that mean absolutely anything in the last two weeks?

Everyone criticizes with the power of hindsight…a Barkley run from the 1 yard line is pretty damn tough to stop and if tyrod got a good look to check into that it was probably a pretty high percentage play. what if they threw the ball and he took a sack?. That’s probably just as likely as stopping saquon on a 1 yd run You completely change the game that way though if you retroactively give the giants points before halftime…the bills last drive they were super conservative and not in 4 down territory. I think you change the playcalling a bit too…doubt they would’ve been satisfied with a 16+ play td drive when trailing two scores lol I don’t think mahomes gets two untimed down type dpis in a row to close out a game that aren’t obscenely egregious. I can’t recall seeing any qb ever get that before

He also had a good/great offensive line pretty much every year…we have never had that

He also made about 4 or 5 nearly impossible throws under instant pressure and went like 11/12 in the second half despite running for his life all night. I don’t think any other qb in the league wins that game there have been games that were absolutely all on him like the jets game week 1 but this was definitely not one of them.. not a great throw to Knox but he’s gotta haul that in It wasn’t a good throw but sometimes your skill position guys have to make plays and knox has dropped plenty. Blaming josh for almost losing this one seems absolutely ridiculous…the oline got absolutely obliterated all night and he was making plays left and right

I don’t think that’s the worst win imo…that giants team really brought it last night. That defensive line of theirs played out of their minds…dexter Lawrence has been a beast all season and we don’t seem to be dealing with interior pressure well since our RT is so bad to begin with lol also with Kincaid out we had to recycle a lot of the plays that Daboll used when he was here a lot of this is people saying ‘well the giants are 1-4 and we almost lost’ but they did not play like a 1-4 team last night. the win against the dolphins in the playoffs was a lot worse I’m not sure they do with judon out…the giants interior pressure absolutely murdered us and as bad as their team has been this year Dexter Lawrence has been one of the best players in the league

That hand fight early did waller in I think…also the throw was pretty high. It takes a lot to get that call on the last play of the game and that just wasn’t enough.

Idk if they’ll be difficult to overcome yet but you certainly can’t give an injury excuse to only one team. elam playing due to injuries is just free yards and the defense has still looked pretty decent with Williams/Bernard they played a terrible offense that some of which was due to Daniel jones and some of which was due to not having their best offensive player until now. They had some other pretty big pieces return too not enough credit is being given to the giants front 7 imo just because their team is ‘bad’. Those guys were everywhere tonight. Best front 7 performance we’ve seen against us all year including the jets…I’m sure some was Daboll having the inside scoop though I don’t think there’s been a team in recent memory that has powered through key defensive player injuries better than the bills…the ravens are up there too we saw a few real high power offenses with our entire starting secondary injured last season and held up pretty well and we’ve got guys deep down the depth chart stepping up and playing pretty well this year too genuinely who looks Super Bowl worthy right now? Eagles and 49ers both looked mortal today, chiefs have been up and down, dolphins we’ve beat already

I mean idk how lucky it is the defense still has to get the stop…running saquon with one play to go in the half is a risk but it’s still a pretty high percentage play the uncalled pi was lucky ish I’d say but I think that was a bit of gamesmanship on tarons part knowing it was the last play of the game and it started as a handfight and they had just called one. I don’t think that flag gets thrown too often diggs got straight up tackled in the end zone down the stretch of the game against the bucs a few years ago and no call