Generic_Bills_Fan

I think over time a lot more people will agree with this…even if next gen stats got it perfectly accurate that’s a pretty unbelievable result that they ended up with a 20% chance to make the fg yes there were penalties but they had a down to get some of that yardage back and gained 0 yards the defense in ot was an unmitigated disaster though for sure

Does that factor in weather? That sounds much too high. And even so that is still a very unlikely play lol the only way to know for sure is to replay that moment a bunch of times haha

In fairness, that was like a 1/25 type fg make and even that feels generous. The defense held on to win a lot last year, this disappointing season seems to have given people fuzzy memories. Even in losses they pulled off some impressive holds like the Minnesota game where they had a pretty amazing goal line stand then the offense fumbled it away it’s kind of funny you mention the ravens game from two years ago because our defense saved the game with a late INT against that very same team the next season and you don’t remember it 😂 in total they stopped the opponent with a chance to win on a final drive in all these games: kc bal Min Mia x3 (defense had good field position game 1) partial credit for NYJ game 1 (long drive but held to a fg so we could tie with a fg. Plenty of time for the offense to at least tie who took over and did nothing) partial credit for NYJ game 2 (we were up 8 so the best they could do was tie) Partial credit for lions….(held to a fg to keep the game tied then the offense won it with 30 seconds left) so depending on how you look at it the defense held somewhere between 6-9 games. The rest of the games were pretty much blowout wins. Defense at least debatably held up in 100% of their opportunities on late drives

I don’t think a single coach in the league is going for it on 4th and 6 in ot there. Maybe some go for 2 on the td though idk. i try to look at it as ‘how bad do you flame them if the decision doesn’t work out’ and going for that 4th and 6 would’ve been horrendous if it didn’t work. Nobody would be patting the coaches on the back saying ‘at least your offense lost the game’ lol it would be an all time coaching gaffe 4th and short id totally agree with you but 4th and 6 in any weather is pretty tough and factoring in the bills dropped like 8 passes in the game makes it even more unlikely

I could def see it going either way on the defensive timeouts…holding your opponent to -5 yards there was huge is all I was trying to say. I can’t recall ever seeing an incomplete pass in that situation that was honestly kind of shocking the icing the kicker timeout was 100% unnecessary and gave us 0 value im curious if bass’ struggles factored in…like do you risk a turnover to kick a long fg in bad weather that he’s likely gonna miss anyway? Idk

A lot of that is skewed by opponents imo and being dominant when Milano/jones were healthy. Jets x2, bucs,broncos,giants, patriots, raiders were more than half our games and those offenses are trainwrecks. Advanced metrics that adjust for opponents like dvoa are much less favorable towards the bills. We were dead last in defensive dvoa for a pretty decent stretch after the Milano/jones injuries

I’m not a fan of the icing the kicker timeout but the defensive timeouts were followed up by a false start and a huge no gain play keeping them in miracle fg range. If they pick up 4-5 yards there they make the field goal considerably easier. We are all over the defensive timeouts when the result that follows is bad but nobody talks about them when there’s a good result. Of course the miracle worked out though because why wouldn’t it 😂. The odds of us winning on a missed fg if we held them to no gain on that third down were much much higher than us going down the field in 20 seconds with 3 timeouts imo. That fg was like a 1/100 type play still absolutely hate the icing the kicker timeout though so I think some of the criticism is completely justified

That’s kind of a self fulfilling prophecy though lol. Nobody would say Josh is elite either if he had the exact stats he’s had the last few years and the team hovered around .500. It’d be the same ‘he’s got good stats but he’s not a winner/they lose because he turns the ball over’ argument.. Herbert’s got 114tds, 41 ints, about 17k yards passing in his 4 year career. That’s an average season of 29 passing tds, 10ints, 4250 yards. Josh is 162tds(passing)/73 ints/21611 in 6 years. Averages of 27 passing tds/12 ints/3601 passing yards the bills defense has just been way better than the chargers in the regular season the last few years but this year we are full chargering it up by folding on defense with a chance to win every single time

This is a weird take…that’s a pretty high percentage field goal and a comfortable lead if you make it…if you go for it there and get it, you’re still not guaranteed 7 points and might just end up settling for a fg anyway punting there only nets you a few yards of field position

I thought he’d get a full season next year but now it feels like there’s a chance we dump him this offseason. I feel like the bar is probably winning record he stays

Sounds about right..that gets him to 70% which is just over his season average with a wet football against the eagles defense on the road. Couple miscommunications too that likely could’ve resulted in catches but it’s tough to know who’s to blame in those situations

How many of those were drops…he also had 81 rushing yards and 2 rushing tds

I said ‘if we are entertaining this hypothetical’. The point was i don’t see how we would necessarily be a one and done playoff team IF we get hot at the end of the season and finish 4-1. I’m not predicting that it’s gonna happen. The logic just makes no sense that you can beat those teams and couldn’t have playoff success. A 4-1 finish means you had to have beaten minimum two playoff teams

This does seem to be the case…like the Brady pats vs Allen bills comparison in that post really stood out to me. I can’t recall the pats defense folding with a lead/chance to tie once offhand let alone 6 times in 12 games. Last season we won 13 because the defense could make plays in that situation occasionally. Allen throws bad picks for sure nobody is saying he doesn’t… compared to a hypothetically perfect qb though all the nfl qbs suck not just josh 😂.

Haha you just criticized everyone doing that and immediately flipped it around and agreed with everything they were saying in the next paragraph. Somehow that’s worse than picking a side 😂

Dorsey is actually seeming like he was part of the problem honestly haha averaging 33 ppg even though we took the 4th quarter off against the jets with him gone. Doesn’t mean there can’t be multiple bad coaches though 🤣

Even that pick yesterday was a pretty nice play…like I watch mahomes and tua and defenders are dropping picks that hit them right in the numbers lol

We are in the playoffs right now if bass is having a marginally better season. Easily cost us 1-2 wins.

That’s equal parts lower than I thought it would be and making me sad knowing it was officially that high 😂

This feels like it gets overhyped to me…tua is 2 turnovers behind josh with 11 less total tds in one less game played. Hurts is two turnovers behind also in one less game played. the guy with the best total td numbers when you factor in turnovers is Dak and everyone seems to think he’s a turnover machine 😂 I think a lot of this is they only really tell you when someone is leading a category so nobody knows the context… there’s a few supposedly great qbs that are right in line with josh in turnovers

What was it just before the fg…that was like a 1/100 type make I don’t think people are really grasping that lol. In decent weather that’s a tough enough fg

I thought bass would make that kick and it was essentially over with how our offense was playing I thought the eagles would miss that final fg when that ball was in the air in ot I thought we for sure won the game. I didn’t think we’d lose until Philly picked up a couple first downs on that final drive.

This isn’t that large of a group lol and I can absolutely understand the frustration but we are well into criticize everything when we lose regardless of if it is the right thing to do territory. Not speaking about this specific kneel call…I think you can make a case for doing either…but I have read plenty ‘the coaches should’ve done this what were they thinking’ type posts that were just absolutely insane this season 😂

I’d say the circus td on 3rd and 15 after the INT was a bigger impact. There’s just no way that can be allowed to happen should’ve gotten the ball back in a tie game

Wasn’t everyone just complaining about a Hail Mary to close out a half a mere 8 days ago lol a lot of the criticism on this board is wildly contradictory.