Einstein's Dog

"Doesn't Care" and "prefer not to" are not the same thing. Beane when asked his opinion could have said "I don't care" but he did not say that. This conversation started by asking why was Cook the whipping boy. It's because he made public his outrageous salary request. It's frustrating to fans to have a good, exciting RB overvalue himself. It's a sign of trouble to come.

So Beane did care, but now you're saying it shouldn't affect negotiations - which I agree with. Now you're saying "both sides are guilty" but Cook started it. And when you say it doesn't really matter, it does to a lot of the fanbase. Cook has made himself out as an unreasonably high participant in the negotiation. If Cook hadn't posted on social media the fanbase would not have known who was at fault, whose side to take.

I don't agree with you on this Happy. I'm thinking we're going to see a lot of churn on parts of the defense (DL + S+ new CB) and Beane/McD want to lock up some of what they have now. I also think it is one of those deals where it will look even better in a year.

How can you say no one in the FO cares when Beane said he would prefer not to negotiate on social media? And Beane also said something to the effect of the $15M was nowhere near what he had in mind. So if Beane made his offer and we haven't heard anything and there is not a lot of back and forth - those are all indications of potential problems.

I don't even consider it swinging for the fences. A team can have a high priced QB/LT/WR/DE/CB. Adding a Garrett or Hendrickson on with DK might be pushing it although I would like to see it (even though that seems unlikely) - maybe add a K Mack or J Bosa.

That offer seems low, why not a 2025 2nd (the Bills have two)? And throwing in the overpriced C Samuel should help the financials/cap. I disagree with the idea that the Bills have this big difficulty budgeting in a future (remember they would be trading for his current contract and giving him an extension) $30M, that is very doable now for the Bills IMO. And the Shakir contract is a normal to smallish WR2 contract for a team.

You're saying this like it was a mistake to add Diggs. I disagree and would like them to try again. And I like the player/person of DK better than Diggs. I would also like them to try and add a big piece to the defense - kind of like the attempt with Von. That didn't work out so well IMO, but I want the FO to try again - get Garrett or Hendrickson if they can afford it.

I'll give it a shot. Most of us want the team to get better. One way is to add an elite talent. Of the four top talents being discussed: Garrett/Crosby/Hendrickson and DK Metcalf - DK Metcalf has the highest odds/likelihood of being able to be obtained. Add an elite piece, then fill in the rest. If that elite piece is DK then draft and put other resources into improving the defense.

Not only possibly mesh well with Josh but with the whole Bills organization/culture. Strong, workout warrior, who has accepted his target share. They want Kincaid and Coleman to add strength and toughness - what a great example. And if J Brady wants a bully ball option, the DK/6 OL/Knox/Hollins (jacked up Coleman) would bring a lot of beef to the table. Getting DK can also get the FO back into the smart philosophy of higher cap allocation to top performers in the premium positions - QB/LT/WR1/DL/CB1

When I say "have Cook play out his contract" I mean the FO does not cave in to Cook's desire to rework his contract for $15M money. I want the FO to stick to the philosophy of not paying big money to the RB and if Cook refuses to play they would have the backup plan of R Davis/Ty/ and rookie. I would like to see the cap allocation of money go into a top tier WR like was done in the past with Diggs, now it should be DK.

What better WR can you get for 2025? D Adams is old and a diva, C Kirk is a slot-like duplicate, C Godwin was hurt, C Kupp is old and often hurt. DK is in his prime, is fast, and as a bonus is big and a work out warrior. And forget just WR - look at all big moves. Garrett is complicated - read Barleys explanations, it is a long shot to happen, Crosby is gone, Higgins franchised. DK looks available. A DK contract around $30M is not outrageous. Top WRs already near $40M at that is before Chase resets the market.

I think you may have missed the earlier tweet where it was rumored to be a 3rd. This seems to be the other side. The Bills should be heavily involved for DK. He has the speed, and is a boundary WR, that the Bills need. He offers size. Has a great attitude. Has not been a target hog so should be able to handle games where the ball goes elsewhere. Getting him now gives Josh 3-4 years continuity with a WR - which is better than the revolving veteran thing. Do it Beane!

Get Metcalf!!!....Crosby is off the table.. Garrett is a real long shot, and looks to be delayed until June. It sounds like a 2nd would get it done, do it now - quickly get it done. Throw in Elam if they want him. Get Metcalf...re-sign Hollins...re-sign Ty....have Cook play out his contract (but draft an RB for backup)...and that is it for offense for 2025!

If the Bills had wanted to pay an RB, they could have had D Henry for $9M. But the Bills philosophy has been not to give big money to RBs. And if they broke it for a drafted player, the idea of J Cook at $15M is too high - but maybe if it is just a bogus $15M like a Shakir deal I could see it. J Cook just needs to stay off social media for a while, IMO he is losing the fanbase.

And if this is what Cook means by his $15M then I can see it.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine. Moving on from Brady? More likely J Brady will get a head coaching job with another offensive performance that includes increased production from Kincaid. And for this thread, what nimrod would want to move on from Kincaid? The Bills finally have two good TEs. That's what you want. Get Kincaid stronger and in better shape for next year. The FO is saying this for both Kincaid and Coleman about as loud as any team can possibly state it.

I disagree. The Bills need another good WR - really have just one now - Shakir. If Shakir goes down our WR room looks beyond pathetic. The Atwells of the world are the 2025 version of Claypool or MVS. C Kupp or C Kirk are veteran, previously proven, legitimate options that defenses cannot ignore. It would be a move to add a second good WR to the team. While not ideal, in that they aren't the boundary or speed types, they are good. Options are limited this year, and if you can't get DK or D Adams and fill the WR with just a role in mind - ie speed, our depth behind Shakir remains razor thin.

Exactly, they could have paid Singletary and chose not to. The point is so far the FO has not paid RBs a lot of money. I've liked that philosophy and don't want them to break it for Cook. It's unfortunate because Cook can be exciting. And Cook would be a good value this year if he played on his current contract. But it now looks like there are problems ahead and it might be time to move him.

They chose not to extend Singletary. Singletary got paid elsewhere. If they were going to extend Cook the FO would have wanted to give him a guarantee at market value now for a few years in exchange for the early guaranteed money and signing bonus - much like Shakir. The market value of RBs like Cook - D Henry/J Mixon had been around $8M/yr. Cook is talking $15M, not even in the ballpark.

Because the FO philosophy of not paying big money to RBs is smart. I don't want large expenditure and void years for an RB.

Maybe Cook could have been had for $12.5 but most of us in the Bills forum are glad they didn't do it. It's been the FO philosophy not to pay RBs big money, and its been a good one. Don't do it for a two down back. Ideally you would have Cook play out his last year here - he's good value now. But I could understand the FO if they jettisoned Cook as part of a package in a trade - Cook looks like a potential problem. Ty Johnson should be re-signed, he's good value and a good player. R Davis can be groomed to be the lead back and draft another one. An RB by committee is a smart way to go.

When you don't factor in cost it seems easy to me: Garrett, Crosby, then DK. This exercise gets a lot harder when put up against the draft/price considerations. Garrett is universally coveted as a top 10 player and will be really expensive while DK has a smaller amount of teams clamoring for his services and should come significantly cheaper. And to me, DK is an incredible fit to the Bills as they want this new physical option. DK along with this 6 OL and Knox and Hollins is a tough task for most defenses in January in Buffalo in single digit temps. If it is presented as Garrett + Tut Atwell or DK Metcalf + K Mack + J Holland, then my preferences change.

What?? I know Von hate can cloud opinions but this is getting ridiculous. Von Miller was a force the very first game he was in a Bills uniform. He was pretty much a man against boys scenario. Von came here in great shape and seemed like a leader. As I remember it, Von had pretty much the game sealing sack against the Rams. And during the half season he was on the line the Bills became the Superbowl favorites. Von came here in great shape and significantly improved the Bills. I'm sorry if this gets in your way of Von hate.

I take it you didn't watch the "Receivers" show on Netflix. The only receiver that didn't come across as a self-centered diva was Kittle. J Jefferson/Deebo/St Brown/ D Adams, all started out decent but as the show progressed, Big Brother style, and the receivers relaxed and showed their true colors - they all came across as people I just didn't like. It took a while longer to dislike Amon St Brown - but I got there. Kittle was a hoot (in the Hollins variety). For Adams in particular, he mentioned how he cleared the QB change. There was almost the oops section where after the Raiders won and then Adams had a tirade about not being used enough. And then later on the show the coach - the interim guy at the time- was clearly afraid/sucking up to Adams. It was disgusting.

I think an adjusted version of this ranking should include D Adams and C Kupp who would be slotted in at 2 and 3 respectively in terms of talent. Then Beane needs to incorporate cost and culture fit into the equation.