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I am going to cheat and use PFF's justification for an A grade: BUFFALO BILLS R1 (25): TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah R2 (59): G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida R3 (91): LB Dorian Williams, Tulane R5 (150): WR Justin Shorter, Florida R7 (230): OG Nick Broeker, Ole Miss R7 (252): CB Alex Austin, Oregon State Day 1: The Bills make a small jump but land the premier pass-catching tight end in the draft in Kincaid. The 10th overall player on the PFF big board, this is a huge value pick. Kincaid was the focal point of the Utah offense and led all players at the position with a 91.8 PFF receiving grade. Day 2: Like the Giants just a few picks ago, this could have easily been the Bills’ first-round pick. A mountain of a man at the position, he can still move better than his size would suggest. After starting his career at Louisiana, he made the move to the SEC with ease, finishing 2022 with an 89.9 PFF run-blocking grade, which was the best in the Power Five last season. The Bills trade up to secure Williams, a player with legitimate range and a huge wingspan. Those traits helped him morph into one of the most impactful players at the position against the pass throughout his college career. Williams produced a top-10 coverage grade among FBS off-ball linebackers in two of his last three seasons at Tulane. Day 3: Shorter is one of the bigger wide receivers in this class, coming in at 6-foot-4 and 234 pounds with nearly 34-inch arms. He was a big-play threat for the Gators and averaged 19.9 yards per reception in 2022 without a dropped pass. He’ll likely fill a similar role for Buffalo and compete to be on the receiving end of Josh Allen bombs. Most of Broeker’s 3,323 offensive snaps at Ole Miss came at left tackle, but he kicked inside to left guard in 2022. He was a reliable pass protector for the Rebels with 70.0-plus PFF pass-blocking grades in each of the past two seasons. Austin produced 70.0-plus PFF coverage and run defense grades in his final season in college. On the field for 476 coverage snaps, he allowed 42 receptions for 529 yards in 2022. DRAFT GRADE: A

Lions have assembled a nice list of UFDAs https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-udfa-tracker-2023/

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PFF liked us: BUFFALO BILLS R1 (25): TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah R2 (59): G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida R3 (91): LB Dorian Williams, Tulane R5 (150): WR Justin Shorter, Florida R7 (230): OG Nick Broeker, Ole Miss R7 (252): CB Alex Austin, Oregon State Day 1: The Bills make a small jump but land the premier pass-catching tight end in the draft in Kincaid. The 10th overall player on the PFF big board, this is a huge value pick. Kincaid was the focal point of the Utah offense and led all players at the position with a 91.8 PFF receiving grade. Day 2: Like the Giants just a few picks ago, this could have easily been the Bills’ first-round pick. A mountain of a man at the position, he can still move better than his size would suggest. After starting his career at Louisiana, he made the move to the SEC with ease, finishing 2022 with an 89.9 PFF run-blocking grade, which was the best in the Power Five last season. The Bills trade up to secure Williams, a player with legitimate range and a huge wingspan. Those traits helped him morph into one of the most impactful players at the position against the pass throughout his college career. Williams produced a top-10 coverage grade among FBS off-ball linebackers in two of his last three seasons at Tulane. Day 3: Shorter is one of the bigger wide receivers in this class, coming in at 6-foot-4 and 234 pounds with nearly 34-inch arms. He was a big-play threat for the Gators and averaged 19.9 yards per reception in 2022 without a dropped pass. He’ll likely fill a similar role for Buffalo and compete to be on the receiving end of Josh Allen bombs. Most of Broeker’s 3,323 offensive snaps at Ole Miss came at left tackle, but he kicked inside to left guard in 2022. He was a reliable pass protector for the Rebels with 70.0-plus PFF pass-blocking grades in each of the past two seasons. Austin produced 70.0-plus PFF coverage and run defense grades in his final season in college. On the field for 476 coverage snaps, he allowed 42 receptions for 529 yards in 2022. DRAFT GRADE: A Is Broerker a stealth Spencer Brown Competitor?

How do teams gain extra possessions?

One of the the Big winner in the draft was the Chiefs. Compare the offseason moves and draft in the AFC east, to already dismal chiefs competition in the AFC west. It is not clear any AFC west team meaningfully improved itself in the offseason, Sean Payton notwithstanding.

ok. i concede, if that is the definition. Does Edmunds fit this definition. Texans, transformed there offense and defense. I am not saying they are now a superbowl contender. But they went from nothing at all to being 0 to 2 years from being a meaningfull team.

You are just wrong. It is not worth the trouble to explain the difference in the NFL Mock Draft Industy in 2023 to the the five guys who talked about in on tv in 1989. I am likely older than you. I was there in 1989. 1979 and 1969 too.

I disagree with your assessment that Campbell is "an off the ball LB". You are confused by his throwback facial features, and can't possibly conclude that from watching video or evaluating athletic metrics.

Good call. So so far, 1 in 20 years. Early lesson - Don't try to be smarter than everyone else :). It would be nice to compile a larger list. Also, "reach" has degrees. Jack Campbell and Jaymr Gibbs were reaches in the first round, but both appear to be high floor guys and should have full NFL careers. 1989 is pretty far outside of my 20 year look back. The amount of study coverage and availability of data and video to form opinions in the pre-internet world, makes those days kind of irrelevent compared to modern consenuses.

I remember some chastisement of the Cowboys for that. This is a quote indicating it was not thought a huge strecth though" "Considered the best center in his class by Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN, Frederick decided to enter the 2013 NFL Draft as an underclassman. He was projected to be a second- to third-round selection."

These are reaches who failed. I am asking for reaches who succeeded.

He was actually mocked as high as #1 overall pre-draft. Maybe the trade up price was viewed as steep, and maybe the wrong Josh morons, skewed your view, but being picked at 7 was not broadly considered a reach.

can you include "no change" in the poll? Can't vote, Dolphins are the same and that is not choice. Anyone who does not think the WAR improvement from adding Aaron Rodgers to the Jets does not make them "far better" does not understand football.

When all is said and done, the NFL drafts typically largely going according to form. My guess is 90% of the players who are consenus top 3 round picks, go in the top 3 rounds, just mostly in a much different order than people mock. Every draft has a couple of percieved "reaches". This year in the second round Brenton Strange, DJ Johnson, and Broderic Martin all looked to be big reaches. In the the last 20 years of the NFL, are teams ever rewarded for "reaching"? Any prominent examples of players who were considered "reaches" who made the GM who reached look like genius?

Shorter was a big reach.

KC is making me hate puppies.

Daboll will never matchup with Sirani. Not many will. Shoen is will never match with Howie. Not many will. The Giants are living in the Eagles division for the foreseeable future.

guys are like are left at 252. But this has become so random, I estimate the chances of someone I have even heard of as less than 10%

I am really starting to hate the Eagles.

it is a negative ROI, no matter how you characterize it. It is not evidence of Wizardy. Beanes mistakes are mistakes, just like anyone elses. Ford was a mistake.

Jake Witt is a poor man's Joey Fisher.

Turning 38th overall in to a fifth and 2 6ths is not something you put on your resume.

My top UFDA target