Chaos

The number of posts in this thread that are so far off from the truth is high, even for a TBD thread. Some general concepts: The owners are not against running backs Veteran players that originally appoved of the rookie contract structure in the CBA are pro-themselves, and not pro-rookies who don't get a vote The franchise tag concept approved by the players in the CBA by design results in different values for different positions Running backs have shorter NFL careers than say, quarterbacks The players signed off on a deal that screws running backs with A uniform rookie contract length that extends almost to the end of the expected career of RBs A franchise fee structure that reflects the fact that RBs who are free agents after the rookie contract are less valuable because of the remaining expected career life. The PLAYERS can solve this problem in the next CBA by negotating for shorter rookie contract lives for RBs to reflect thier shorter expected career life. Imagein Derrick Henry being a free agent after his second season. Imagine what teams who had elite QBS on a five year rookie contract might have paid for Derrick Henry. This structure would hugely benefit the star NFL RBs, compared to the current structure.

There is a simple solution. The NFL has different franchise tags by position. So it is well established there are different financial implications for different position groups. The rookie contract lengths should also adjust by position group. RBs should have a rookie contract life of two seasons. This will further devalue their draft position but will make them free agents in their prime.

Its not really about the head coach.

Madden gets Josh Allen and the Bills better than 97.1% of the posters on Two Bills Drive. Fact check: Completely True.

The original purpose of the thread is to flag the reality that there is not a lot more total point production to be squeezed out of the offense. We also score more points per possesion than 30 other teams. So a strategy of slowing down the game, hurts us more than our opponents. My general thesis is that the offense is fine, and the problems the Bills have getting over the division game hurdle lies elsewhere. It is not clear to me how this parsing of "we need x percent of this or that" or need to "get the ball out of Allen's hands more" is intended to help anything.

Is the goal of this additional targeting more points? Fewer punts?

This thread is specifically about the offense. Your post is off point. prior to 2022 we also failed in the playoffs. I don’t know any Bills fans who are very worried about the 2023 regular season.

thank you for the correction. The list I used had Brady as number 1. I thought he was inactive.

Bills get tremedous ROI on their offensive spend. Not so much the defensive spend. Pretty good indication the coaching and/or player personnel decisions have been better on the offensive side of the ball.

It seems like the team puts Allen in this position far more often than other QBs. He is ranked 13th ALL-TIME in fourth quarter comebacks, in only a little over five seasons as a starter.

They do show up in the playoffs though.

I agree with the point. But I think failure in those games is not limited to the last drive. It is the Bills putting themselves into that position in the first place. Some of those were games were Bills should have been in a position to be in victory formation in those final drives. Tom Brady had his heroics. But Bellichek always put his foot on the opponents throat the entire game once he had a lead and mostly did not need final drive heroics. The Bills don't have seem to have that ruthless instinct.

Agree with this sentence except the end. It should read more like this: Overall Allen has been tremendous vs the AFC East, over the last 3 years, he is 15-3 and 2-0 in the playoffs. He often talks about how important those division games but the success from that focus has been squandered.

Josh should do this, Ken Dorsey is not good enough, we need more run balance, blah de blah de blad de blah. In measuring an offense, the most important statisitics is points per drive. In football drives alternate. Each team gets the exact same number in a game within 1 drive. A drive that turns the balls over on downs on the opponents five yard line is exactly the same out come as a punt that goes out of bounds at the opponents five. Emotionally fans want to hurl something at the tv in the first case, and want to talk about how great their special teams are in the second case. Emotions aside, the drive ended in zero points with the ball on the opponents five yard line and now the other team has the ball. Exactly the same outcome. In 2023 there were five offenses that were more than one standard deviation above the average from the rest of the NFL. Three of the five made NFL championship games. Lions and Bills were the other two. The Bills were second overall, trailing only the Chiefs. But the frustration for fans comes from the fact that the Bills are 16th in redzone point production. The Bills turn into an average NFL team in the redzone, it would appear. While frustrating, the Bills offense was still the second most efficient in the NFL per drive in 2023. If the Bills could improve the redzone offense to the Chiefs level, while maintaining the dynamic big play offense they have, they could be come the top offense in the NFL in 2023. But staying in the elite group of being more than 1 STD deviation above the average is a more realistic goal (same for all the others already in that group). There just is not much juice left to squeeze out in the TOTAL regular season points lemon. I love the Bills off season moves on online and drafting Kincaid. But the end regular season result (if as fans we are lucky) is that the Bills will achieve the same excellent results overall, just in a different way. In the first paragraph I set motions aside in terms of statistics. However emotions do have impact in an individual football play or individual game. If one combines the Red Zone averageness together with the Bills playoff averageness , one might surmise that there is a pattern of a problem to close. The psychological inability to close is a real thing, and this is the main area the Bills need to work on. If the Bills revamped offense, becomes top 5 in red zone offense in the regular season in 2023, it could mean that they have improved in the ability to close the deal, which might bode well for a deeper playoff run.

Meals and first class upgrades are trivial compared to salaries and state taxes. You need to eat a lot of food to compensate for the differernce in taxes between Florida and NY for example. No player is making his FA decision on who pays for his meals. Separately, I am not sure how many planes have room to put an entire active roster in first class.

People who compare the Beane / McDermott regime against the Russ Brandon / Buffoon Coach regimes of the Bills past as the standard of comparison will always be happy. The Brandon / Buffoon era is among the worst of in the Super Bowl era. On the other hand, I don't understand how anyone can try to refute the fact that the Veach / Reid regime and Tobin / Taylor Regime have simply been more successful. This is true in two regards, 1) more successful in actual results in the past several years and 2) better postioned from a cap perspective for the immediate future. Football has a lot random bounces and injuries, and the Bills could certainly find themselves champions in 2023. But there is no real obvious reason as to why the Bills will become consistently better coached/managed than the Chiefs and Bengals in the future.

Are these regular season rankings? or do they include the playoffs? If they are all inclusive and If you are going to credit Bienemy as the chiefs OC, then he is #1 by far.

If I take the homer out of me, Tasker is not in the top 3. I am not sure how this list works. Do the pick three of the 31 and then next year add to the list. Or do they pick 3 of the 31 and the other 28 are just out of further consideration?

The playoff coaching has been so woeful, one would have to be blind to blame the playoff failures on Allen.

I concede and am willing to consider McDermott on the same level as Mike Sherman and Coryell

Josh’s body of work proves otherwise

Of the 31 listed on that list, who do you rank ahead of Tasker? How many behind. Seems unlikely all 31 get in at some point.

Only one of these guys had a future HOF QB on their team for at least 5 seasons.

McDermott took over a Bills team that went 8-8 in 2015 and 7-9 in 2016 and went 9-7 in 2017. Then he got Josh Allen. Some people seem to think he took a team that was winless and then went on a deep playoff run with Tyrod Taylor. Reality is he was one win better his first season than Rex Ryan was his first season with the Bills