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Not sure what point you think you're making with either. As for finding out, yeah. Also I can't wait until qualified immunity is removed and every cop is open to being sued for assault. Court TV's whole line up is right there

"Black on black violence" is an example of racism. Everything about it. The phrase. The people and stories you're talking about. This is what racism is, and this is what it looks like. "Black on black violence" is a symptom of racism. Do you understand that part of it? Are you familiar with the phrase "crabs in a bucket"? Do you know what it means? Can you possibly understand why that would be relevant? Or are you just like "hey so you're saying black people are crabs" or maybe something less clever, even?

Well I'd be curious to hear some specifics on your proposal because I don't know what that means. But to answer your second question, yeah, that would count. No, we don't have to be in sync 100%. I'm not picking fights with allies who are #######s in their character. I'm not looking to fight with people who agree on this, but disagree on other things. Just racists.

DING DING DING DING DING Exactly. You finally said something correct. THE BAR IS INCREDIBLY LOW All you have to do to not be racist — is actively be against racism. That's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It just has to be "active." Being "passively" against racism — as in, you think you are fine with people if they're any color, brown, black, purple — but not calling it out when you see it. That IS racism, by inaction. It is the same as lying by omission.

Did you ever tell me yours? You've asked this question enough, you've received enough answers from me and others — have you formed an opinion? Or you can only ask the question? What is your solution to (as you call it) "black on black violence"? How would you define "harassment"? Why wouldn't your dozens of repeated badgering count?

What is your solution to (as you call it) "black on black violence"?

Did you ever tell me yours? You've asked this question enough, you've received enough answers from me and others — have you formed an opinion? Or you can only ask the question?

Did you ever tell me yours? You've asked this question enough, you've received enough answers from me and others — have you formed an opinion? Or you can only ask the question?

Did you ever tell me yours? You've asked this question enough, you've received enough answers from me and others — have you formed an opinion? Or you can only ask the question?

Did you ever tell me yours? You've asked this question enough, you've received enough answers from me and others — have you formed an opinion? Or you can only ask the question?

Because white communities have lower crime. Because there's fewer police. It's not a chicken and the egg problem. It is cause and effect. Black Americans are criminalized, period. Do you know about the Broken Windows policy of policing? This is not dissimilar to the laws of Germany in the 20s and 30s toward Jews.

Hey Deek. This is a post that several people celebrated! I just wanted to let you know why this is stupid, specifically. Defunding the police will reduce crime, simply because -- there will be fewer arrests. Will there be more murders? More burglaries? Let's find out. Because when the NYPD went dark in protest a year ago, things were fine in NYC. Nobody noticed. Life went on. You got fewer tickets for an expired meter. Defunding the military actually would mean we would instigate a lot less. Do you have any idea the amount of fights the US military instigates? Like on a daily basis? How about throughout history? How often has it worked out for us? Overfunding the military hasn't worked out so well in stopping war, has it Deek? Do you think NASA invented the stars? What point are you making here? If you defund NASA, we will explore the stars less; we will know less about them. Elon Musk might go. Hopefully he remembers to send a text. Defunding social safety nets -- aka "tax cuts" -- is where we're at right now. Imagine swapping the funding between police and social safety net programs -- Universal Healthcare would be affordable just on the police budgets in major cities. Expand unemployment to simply be Universal Basic Income. Everybody gets 2000 a month, period. If you choose not to work to make additional money, that's fine. There would likely be an expansion of volunteer social programs to use skillsets on citizen-led social projects to address any number of things. Imagine everybody being allowed to focus on their hobbies full-time. Some people would just be bored losers or partiers; that's fine and no different from now, anyway. But afforded the space to breathe — to not be in panic mode every month about "will I be able to feed my children?" — the most Prosperous Nation In History could some of that wealth to invest in the citizens and therefore invest in the future. That's how you think of it. This is an investment in people, not weapons. Even just on TSW you can see people demonstrate far more value than is probably being extracted from them by their employment. I wonder how many people on TSW would feel that they aren't being utilized as well as they could be by their employers. Automation can expand without concern and eliminate menial jobs, since they're no longer needed to simply support people's basic needs & health. From there, ingenuity would lead to ... who knows what. But I don't think it would lead to more fighting. Because people would be generally more content. There would be less anger. Every citizen would essentially become "middle class." If you have a job on top of the UBI, you can make it to upper middle class pretty easily. If you do very well, perhaps you make it to the upper class. But there should be nothing beyond "upper class." There should be a ceiling. There should absolutely be a wealth cap. It's absurd that there are billionaires. Teddy Roosevelt would not have ***** stood for this. We need a bully pulpit instead of a bunker baby (I don't think Biden is that guy, so either way POTUS isnt going to be ***** here probably). Once you reach, idk, 100 million in today's world -- that's it. You've beat the game. Anything on top of that is directly poured into society and funding the programs. This should be close to a libertarian's wet dream, what I am describing. It is essentially socialism + libertarianism. Americans would love it if they gave it a chance.

"Defund" is still too nice. This is just focused on budget. Cops don't realize we're letting them off easy right now, and they're pushing their luck. "Abolish" is also too nice. First of all, Defund just makes plain sense. Look at ANY POLICE BUDGET. They are ridiculous. This is taxpayer money for morons who don't have soldier training to pretend they're in Call of Duty on whoever they can get away with, specifically Black people. Often explicitly coded into the marching orders, and always implicitly. The conversation needs to start from 0 and work up from there to what is actually necessary. We don't need to negotiate down from 300 gazillion. Basic negotiation tactic. And look at what they're offering. LA's mayor took out a 300 million or something but the budget is still near the trillions; whatever the numbers, look it up, it's preposterously inflated, everywhere. The other thing, is that -- again -- this conversation is only about budget. When we talk about removing police immunity, then it's time to start talking about "Imprison the police." Because if held to the same laws, if held accountable as much as they've done to others — hooo boy. Imagine suing a cop for assault and winning. That's half of reparations right there in those settlements.

The Democrats aren't doing anything on this. They've decided to die as the new version of the Bush-era Republicans White people need to do something that, culturally, they've never done in their entire history. Take responsibility for racism.

I agree with everything here. My oldest brother has served in the military for 20 years now, as an officer. His family has moved at least a dozen times, I think. He helped train the police in Iraq in the early 00s. He said he never saw their trainees ever behave half as amateurishly as we were seeing all last week. He also came to the same conclusion. He and I agreed there's basically two main things happening here, two main problems. 1) They have way too many toys. 2) They have no accountability. So, that's why you're hearing "defund the police." That is addressing issue 1. "Abolish" and "defund" communicate that, in terms of budget, in terms of our view of the scale of this role, that all needs to start from 0 and build up from there. That will be more effective than trying to build down from 300 billion or whatever. LA's police budget "cut" they offered to taxpayers this week is a joke. If you ask me, police are quite lucky that the message right now isn't "imprison the police." Because if held accountable to the same laws without immunity — if people were encouraged to now come out with civil cases against police officers — *****, that might account for half of reparations right there in the settlements. Cops have been pulling a massive scheme for a long time now with the inflated budgets and never-ending increases, and the bluff is getting called.

It's been argued. It's hard to say unless OJ has his brain examined which I don't think he has done. Based on everything we know on CTE, he definitely would suffer from it. Anyway I don't think OJ's name should be removed from either. If he were convicted for the murders, they would've probably been removed. But even though he obviously did it, there's no great justification for it, other than... y'know, it's embarrassing for the Bills. He's one of the top 5 players in team history, easily, in terms of individual accomplishments.

This is 100% correct. It's part of an ongoing shell game to never actually address the issue. If you really think about it, it's never fully been addressed, not by White America, ever. Civil War is the closest. There's been legislation since, the CRA in the 60s, but the basic message is "We went from a society where Black America was considered property. We fought about it. You're not property. Also, slavery is illegal now, but before it was good, so everybody's good. White people who used to own Black people, we will give you money. Black people, idk, just go figure it out. You're welcome, see ya later." And then, you know, lynchings and Jim Crow. And so then eventually the CRA, integration. Now the message is "Okay maybe that property thing was pretty rough but we really mean it this time. You can use our schools and water fountains. Also we're all friends now. Cool, see ya later." And so it continues today, and the forms are different, but the effect is the same. Marijuana is a prime example. Criminalized Black America. And now it's legal and who is getting rich from it? And who is still imprisoned for it? Even in states like California where it's legal, and White America is profiting, there are still horrifying amounts of Americans in prison for possession or selling -- non violent offenses even!! -- and all Black or POC. George Floyd is the tipping point, after all of the horrifying examples since Trayvon Martin that have shaken most of the country. There are still, unbelievably, hardcore deniers. And you're right -- they lie!!! They lie all the time!!!! It's hard to know whether they are always lying to themselves and think they're in the right, or, now especially with the evidence being incontrovertible, it's hard to think that they don't know they're lying. "Moving the goal posts"... that is the exact history of White America and race. There's a lot of basic history that isn't formally taught. And isn't known, even, to a lot of people. And that is also by design. Kaepernick was literally just educating people. He was incredibly effective. And the efforts of the NFL and others to discredit him, to distract from the message... it's disgusting. It's not isolated to this, is my point. It's just one horrific example of a horrifying throughline in the history of the country. It's good that people are talking about it now. It is painful. It is awkward. Some people are very resistant. It's hard!!! It is a hard truth. There are a lot of reasons we haven't talked about it. 1) we have been explicitly programmed intentionally not to talk about it. And when we do, we're supposed to easily dismiss it. "Chicago" and "black on black crime" are two big examples of the ongoing impact of programs like COINTELPRO. 2) again. we all need to understand. We have been manipulated. Our fathers and grandfathers. Mani-pu-lated, literal conspiracy mind control secret government schemes. Insane. And true. Read about COINTELPRO, read and read and read. 3) The full unfiltered truth of it is painful. it is not dissimilar to waking up from the matrix, or finding out Santa isn't real. But a Santa you really believed in, a Santa you know people have died for. When given the option to not think about it... of course we wouldn't. It sucks incredibly a lot to think about. I think it's like this. We did not have a choice to be born into a racist society. Those decisions were made hundreds of years ago. We didn't ask for a country with a Constitution and Bill of Rights either. Those things happened to be good, if they applied to you. But it's a joke. It's a shell game. It's a con. It's always been exploitation. The top class, the 1%, the exploiters — they know what they're doing. But of the 99%, half of them actively believe the lie. They think "race" is real. It isn't. It's an idea. Skin color is hair color. It's physical. Cultures have developed around and because of race. But it's still not literally real. It's an imaginary concept that has real consequences, like God. Now that we see through the lie, the question becomes — well, now what?

Right on. "Political" is pejorative. It's weird because really it just means conversation and discussion aiming to solve a social issue. "Politically correct" is the F-bomb of the political family of pejoratives. Which is also weird because all "politically correct" means is just being respectful of other people's identities when discussing social issues. So common phrases like "let's not talk about politics" = "let's not talk about solving anything, ignoring it will do for now" "I'm anti-PC" = "I'm anti-basic respect for your identity" Ironically, people who tend to spout such phrases are often insistent on you accepting and respecting their identities and solutions, as a given. Military presence in NFL games is just one example. They would never think that insisting on standing, clapping, calling people by titles and sir, all those shows of respect we give to cops / military — that's not "political correctness" to them. Even though, that is exactly what it is. I'm sure NFL and NBA and all leagues will do a ton of in-game salutes to doctors. I wonder if people will call that politically correct or not. If it's a black doctor they will.

Universal Basic Income, Universal Healthcare... a lot of basic quality of life services are easily possible for The Wealthiest Country To Ever Exist On The Planet Earth The "redistribution of wealth" that's been occurring for decades/centuries, in which we are all exploited to the bone for the benefit of a small few, needs to end. It's time to just call the bluff. Particularly now with millions out of work. People don't know if they can feed their families in August. Completely absurd that this is a problem in, again, The Wealthiest Country To Ever Exist On The Planet Earth Once White people gain the ability to actually empathize with Black people — not everyone even sympathizes, as this board/thread shows — they will see themselves in the current exploitation.The so-called "American middle class" had this fantasy that if we were loyal to corporations, the corporations would be loyal back. Funny to think that now. America was always built on free/cheapest possible labor. Exploitation is what the country was built on. It's all a shell game; it was always a con. Principles like freedom, equality, and liberty --- while owning slaves --- is a huge joke. "Middle class" is the same joke. It's all a Santa Claus story to make sure your eye is off the ball, while you're getting looted out the back. We are actually expected to believe both of these are true: "The Founding Fathers were geniuses" AND "The Founding Fathers didn't know slavery was wrong" And I'm not saying they weren't geniuses!!! I'm saying they were smarter than you're giving them credit for. They knew it was wrong. They knew what they were doing. They got away with it. And, hundreds of years later, still getting away with it. Ghosts laughing to the ghost bank. "We the people" is who exactly? It's nobody; everybody. Same thing. For some reason, we all just kinda take the exploitation, still. Laziness, I guess, and lack of imagination? We see it often doesn't even take a whole lot to scare the "big scary" people in control. Trump hid in a bunker because teenagers were yelling really loud. Leader of The Most Powerful Nation To Ever Exist In History Of Planet. He's gotta go check out the bunker because someone threw a beer bottle and there were unscheduled fireworks. How much do you tangibly materially benefit from being an American? What does it do for you, exactly? Have you been elsewhere? What's so good about this then, relatively? There's a lot of cops and a lot of military. Doesn't really impact your day-to-day unless you're in it, or unless you're on the other side of the boot. So besides cops killing Black people and military killing all people, what's so good about being a citizen in The Wealthiest Country To Ever Exist On The Planet Earth? It doesn't really feel like that to me. It feels like The Hunger Games. It feels like there's a few rich & famous & powerful, and then most people are hoping work picks back up or whatever and that they can imagine a 2021.

It's horrible, yes. You know that phrase "ignorance is bliss"? That describes your life, basically. You know how in The Matrix the one guy is a traitor and goes back because even though he knows the steak is fake, he prefers the lie? That's you, rejecting all of the obvious information in your face. You ever hear about how it's lonely be a genius? That's how it feels for someone with an average IQ and basic learning skills that didn't stop in middle school to post on PPP and interact with the cavemen here.

Good point, oh except, have you heard of something called the Constitution for one gigantic obvious example, genius? Do you think that action has anything to do with your life today? "We learn from history" — you're not quite ready to list that as an accomplishment for yourself, bud. You're struggling with basic stuff. You're still in need of a tutor and you're incredibly, incredibly lucky to have one with this much patience.

You can just vote "No"

Okay let me see if I can communicate to you in your chosen analogy. If we're having a conversation about bad breakfast foods. And I say "eating rotten eggs is bad for you." And then you say "these eggs aren't that rotten; you disgust me" and not "rotten eggs disgust me" — that sounds like a defense of rotten eggs. Does this make sense to you, Jim? Is anything getting through? What? Are you talking? About??? Now I'm not sure you understand the meaning of "change" for christ sake. Do you understand "cause" and "effect"?? Do you understand "cause and effect" is what "history" is? Therefore, what happened in the past... VERY MUCH MATTERS... to how we arrived at present day. Like, where do you think babies come from? Do you think you have changed at all over your life? Do you think what happened in your past has impacted where you are now? Now I honestly don't know what you know.

I didn't. Now I do. But I never assumed anything about you other than what you told me. Where did I assume you're white? It is fascinating how all of y'all have to make it about yourselves. That's a sign of low intelligence, by the way — the inability to think outside of yourself. Just a heads up on that when you're trying to disguise it to others.