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That would matter if they were like the Ravens and didn’t drop Josh back much. Allen drops back to pass as much as anyone so he gets all of those hits. Then he has several runs a game on top of it.

This may be the strangest conversation I’ve ever had. QBs who take hits in the pocket and take hits when running the ball have a greater chance to become injured than QBs who take hits in the pocket but don’t run the ball. If you can’t wrap your minds around this absolute statement of fact, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s like you’re arguing that someone who got shot is more likely to die than someone who got shot and then stabbed because more people die of gunshots than stabbings.

Is it Daboll or is it McDermott? I mean Moss and Basham were healthy scratches and Epenesa can barely get on the field (though he did play a little more yesterday). You only get 3-4 cheap years from players in this league. Getting snaps from those guys is such a huge advantage that paying guys like Sanders and Hughes $14,000,000 strikes me as a waste of resources when you’ve got their potential replacements in house.

I can’t figure out why Davis doesn’t get more snaps. His lack of athleticism may limit him a bit, but I’m not convinced that Sanders has more speed and quickness at this point in his career. In a league where you’re always trying to get younger and cheaper, Davis over Sanders seems like a no brainer.

Yes it will. There is going to be a staggering amount of roster churn the next two off seasons. Nearly every position group excluding QB and (probably) CB has major decisions to make.

Telling you the Facts. It has been well reported. QB is exposed in the pocket and has a better chance at getting hurt than running And I’m telling you facts. Whatever chance a QB has of getting hurt in the pocket then gets added to his chance of getting hurt in the run game. Look at the running QBs in the NFL. Lamar got hurt yesterday…again. Josh is in a boot. Murray missed multiple games. Cam Newton went from an MVP to a broken down shell of himself. Compare those guys to to all time greats we’ve seen recently with Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, and Roethlisberger. Other than a QB sneak, you pretty much never saw a designed run called for any of them. There’s a reason they all played into their late 30s and early 40s. It’s not because they never took hits in the pocket. It’s because they didn’t subject themselves to an extra 1,500 potential hits apiece over the course of their careers. Some injuries are instantaneous, but most are cumulative. Even things like ACLs are usually the result of years of stress until they finally pop, often due to non-contact situations. One week you just need an ice bath, the next week you’re in a boot. One year you’re dinged up, the next year you’re having shoulder surgery. It’s just such an unnecessary risk to rely on a QB as part of your running game unless it’s someone like Lamar who simply isn’t a threat as a pure pocket passer when the threat of a run is diminished. If Moss, Singletary, and Breida are all lost for the season, the Bills Super Bowl odds barely change. If Josh goes down, the season is over. I understand that when the game and/or season is on the line that having a guy who can run like Josh is an immensely valuable weapon, but he averages 100 attempts per year, and he’s on pace for 114 this season. If that keeps up, it absolutely will shorten his career.

Injuries happen MORE in the pocket than a QB on the run. That is the reality. Are you under the impression that when QBs run that they are somehow immune from getting injured in the pocket when they throw? Allen is near the very top of the league in pass attempts. He’s then got nearly 100 rushing attempts on top of those. Every one of those is an extra chance to get injured.

Crazy how many fumbles most of those guys have. Would never have guessed OJ had basically as many fumbles as TDs in his career. Probably because his gloves were the wrong size. Running QBs still get hit in the pocket. Then they run and take more hits.

I don’t understand this line of reasoning. Yes, a QB can get hurt in the pocket but that doesn’t mean it’s smart to subject him to hits running the ball as well. This isn’t an either/or proposition. QBs who run are still subject to being hit when dropping back to pass. The hits they take when running are IN ADDITION to the hits they take in the pocket. Lamar is hurt again. Murray has been hurt. Allen is in a boot. Cam is a shell of himself. There’s a real pattern of running QBs sustaining injuries. Every hit you take makes it that much more likely that you’ll eventually get the big one and even if you don’t, the little ones add up over time.

Yep. A win tomorrow and the conversation becomes “the Bills have beaten both Super Bowl teams from last year”.

If the argument is that he’s a perfectly good player, your point makes sense. The poster I responded to is saying that 4 seasons isn’t an unreasonable amount of time for a player to learn the position. If that’s the case, then why use a pick on someone like that?

If it takes 4 years to learn how to play MLB then don’t draft a guy to play MLB if he doesn’t already know how. If you’re taking a MLB in the top half of the first round, he should be ready to go day one. That is a premium pick to spend on a player at a non-premium position to begin with. If he’s not ready until his second contract then what’s the point?

I don’t think Beane sees the position as a need. Given that the plan was to trade out of the spot if Basham was gone, Humphrey was never even a consideration. The only alternative is that he thought Humphrey sucked in which case I have no idea what their evaluation process looks like.

I'm being pedantic, but I'd say he's more great than solid. He's the middle infielder who makes the spectacular play but leads the league in errors. That just doesn't play, IMO. Give me a MLB who you can set your watch by, and I can gameplan around that. I just don't know how you plan a defense around a guy who is a wildcard.

He's been around for nearly 4 seasons as well. I can't think of many great LBs who didn't figure it out until their second contract. MLBs especially need to have great instincts. The idea of developing instincts is a a bit paradoxical.

This is what makes the Basham pick so strange to me (and I really liked him coming out of the draft). I understand going DE even after drafting Epenesa a year ago. I also understand not reaching to fill needs. That said, Beane went DE in the first and the best C in the draft fell right into his lap. When the best player available also happens to be a huge position of need, you RUN to the podium. Supposedly they were even going to trade the pick if Basham hadn't been available. The Chiefs have been feasting on players the Bills should have drafted. Creed seemed like such an obvious pick for Buffalo that I half expected Kansas City to trade ahead of them. Meanwhile, Basham will be a 24 year old rookie next week who still has never started a game. When McBeane took over, they had a very clear vision and they executed the plan beautifully. I have no idea what the plan is now, though. There's talent, but the roster as a whole has some serious issues.

That throw was unreal. Wow

How did he not score?

Let Dalvin Cook.

Cousins has hung him out to dry on multiple occasions tonight. He’s going to get JJ killed. You can make a case that Diggs is a better WR, but Jefferson is clearly having the better season. It’s better than any season Diggs has ever had.

He might be the best in the league right now.

Ben shouldn’t be in the game. What are they trying to prove?

They look as inept as any team I’ve seen all year.

All of it. The fifth year option they picked up is guaranteed.

What other bad weather NFL games has Josh played in? I remember home against Kansas City last year was a struggle in heavy rain.