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The teams look like they swapped uniforms.

It was a joke. Buffalo has several slot receivers who are clearly better than Dotson. That guy’s a bum.

Chicago is about as good of a situation as a first time HC could walk into. They’ve got a pretty good roster and a raw QB who is already putting up historically good rookie numbers. He’s been overshadowed by some others, but he’s on pace for 3,600 yards, 21 TDs, and only 7 INTs plus over 500 yards rushing. He would be out of his mind if he were to take a job in Jacksonville or, even worse, stay in Detroit as the OC.

Chicago is going to go all in for Ben Johnson. They’re going to have plenty of competition, though. He’s going to have his pick of any job available (and maybe even a few that aren’t).

He (Jawaan Taylor) absolutely does it as well. For some reason, the league treats it like delay of game in that they give the Tackles a split second of leeway. It doesn’t make sense to me, but you can’t ask the refs to only enforce it on one team but not the other.

How many times was Dawkins called for doing that?

The clock was stopped before the play due to the penalty. You can’t spike the ball when the clock was stopped prior to the snap.

If he’d spiked it, it would have been a 10 yard penalty.

How do you figure? Buffalo called a timeout. That saved them about 12 seconds. The Rams got the ball with 59 seconds on the clock. If the Bills hadn’t called timeout, that would have been about 47 seconds. They ran 3 plays and used 12 seconds. You’re down to 35. Then they punted which burned the final 6 seconds and would have taken a few more. So that’s about 27 seconds with no timeouts.

The Bills’ win probability went from 9.5% to 8% after that play. The timeout barely impacted the game at all. Even if they’d run up to the line and spiked the ball or snuck it in rather than calling a timeout, they were still going to need either an onside kick or a defensive stop followed by a 40+ yard drive and a made FG with about 25 seconds on the clock and no timeouts.

Josh is going to win, there’s no real doubt at this point. He obviously deserves it, but it’s also pretty clear that the organization has made it a priority to ensure that he brings it home. It’s free money at this point.

Why are Bills fans talking about the Chiefs on a Bills forum?

There is no whistle blown until after the play is over.

Cool, so if he had blown the whistle the rule is that the play stands provided that there is a clear and immediate recovery which there obviously was. So even in the scenario you imagined involving the blowing of some sort of whistle that nobody heard, nothing changes. It’s still a fumble recovery by the Chiefs. But let’s say that they somehow decided that the recovery wasn’t immediate/clear enough. There would be a ten second runoff. The Chiefs still win. Maybe it’s best to just acknowledge that the Raiders fumbled the ball and that the refs didn’t impact the outcome. Or don’t.

LOL, cut video with the sound removed. I guess that’s better than the full video with sound.

You don’t know the rules. More importantly, you don’t care to know them. For those who do care, I’ll explain them. An illegal shift occurs when multiple offensive players are in motion at the same time and all 11 players don’t reset simultaneously for at least one second prior to the snap. That happened. An illegal formation occurs when there aren’t 7 players on the LOS, and/or there aren’t eligible receivers on both sides of the LOS. Also, the eligible receivers who aren’t on the end of the line can’t be on the LOS. That also happened. HOWEVER, the illegal shift happened prior to the illegal formation, so it was called instead (even though both fouls occurred). In either situation, the play continues and the defense has the option of accepting a 5 yard penalty or declining it and accepting the result of the play. Show me where a false start was called. Share the audio of the play being blown dead. Neither happened. That’s why I keep posting the video with audio and everyone arguing with me keeps pointing to a still shot taken 3 seconds after the play ended.

Immediately after what? Immediately after the ball was snapped…because illegal formations don’t occur until immediately after the ball is snapped. If it had been a false start, the flag would have been thrown before the ball was snapped and a whistle would have been blown. There was no false start. Nobody is even claiming that anyone committed a false start. You’re literally complaining that the officials should have got the call wrong thus rewarding the Raiders for committing penalties, snapping the ball when the QB wasn’t ready, and losing a fumble. Not only that, but you’re saying they should have retro-actively declared the play had been blown dead even though no whistle was blown.

1. The refs literally awarded the ball to the Chiefs. Multiple officials threw flags, so they had to confer to sort everything out before doing so. (“Did you blow the play dead?” “No, I called an illegal formation, did you blow the play dead?” “No, I called an illegal shift.” “Okay, then it’s a fumble.”) 2. Illegal shifts aren’t on a specific player. It was a penalty on literally all 11 players because they were all in motion before everyone got set. 3. He ran in because there was a penalty. Why do you think he didn’t blow that whistle that was in his mouth?

Here’s the play. The sound is clear as a bell. Had he been calling a false start, he’d have thrown the flag before the snap and blown the whistle. He didn’t do either of those things, though. Instead, he waited to throw the flag until after the snap (because it can’t be an illegal formation or illegal shift until after the ball is snapped) and didn’t blow the whistle until the play was over. There was no false start committed. There was no false start called. There was an illegal formation committed (nullified by it being an illegal shift). There was an illegal formation signaled. In what universe is the only thing that makes sense the notion that it was a false start. Option A: The Raiders committed an illegal shift. The Raiders didn’t commit a false start. The refs didn’t call a false start. The refs called an illegal shift and let the play continue as it would when an illegal shift is committed. Option B: The Raiders committed an illegal shift, but the refs didn’t call the illegal shift. The Raiders didn’t commit a false start, but the refs did call a false start while also failing to blow the play dead. Then the refs somehow accidentally got the call correct anyway. Option A seems to make a little more sense to me.

Correct, it’s not. He’s allowed to go in motion, do jumping jacks, or get down on his hands and knees and bark like a dog. If the rest of the team was set when he did so, it’s completely legal. If they weren’t, it’s illegal motion. Unless he runs forward across the LOS, it’s not a false start and the play continues. Yeah, they would have been screwed either way. When you snap the ball while your QB isn’t looking for the snap, you’re screwed. Vegas literally had an illegal shift, an illegal formation, and lost a fumble on the same play yet people here have convinced themselves that the officials should have invented some bizarre reason to reward them for it.

He didn’t signal a false start. He signaled an illegal formation. It’s the same arm motion, but he’d have thrown the flag before the snap and blown the whistle if it had been a false start. The answer is no. The WR is allowed to motion, thus it isn’t a false start. It was an illegal shift because other players were still getting into formation when his motion started. Because of this, the entire team has to get set for a full second before the ball is snapped. The WR didn’t, so it was an illegal shift. O’Connell recognized this and was watching his WR which is why he hadn’t called for the snap. He was waiting for the WR to get set, but the C snapped it anyway. AOC wasn’t ready for the ball (on account of watching his WR), and there was a fumble.

Well yeah. They’ve got the benefit of hindsight and know that last year’s team won the Super Bowl. There’s nobody who felt better about the team last year when they were 8-6 than they currently do about this year’s team at 11-1. The funny thing is that this team would likely get more credit if they were 9-3. Instead, they’re being criticized for winning consecutive games they led for a combined 100+ minutes of game time.

The ref didn’t blow a whistle. Even if he did, there was a clear and obvious recovery of the fumble. The funny part of the fan fiction above is that, if they had ruled the play dead due to an inadvertent whistle, the game would have ended right then and there and the same people complaining that the officials got it right would be complaining that they got it wrong. An inadvertent whistle during a live ball requires a 10 second runoff, and that would have ended the game.

There’s no mystery to unravel here, and no call was overturned quickly nor otherwise. The ref from the side called illegal formation, not false start. The officials got together and determined that there were multiple players moving at the same time which requires all 11 players to be set for a full second before the snap. This didn’t happen, and an illegal motion trumps the illegal formation because the motion happened before the snap whereas the formation, by definition, occurs during the snap. Regardless of which was called, they are enforced identically. The play is allowed to continue, and the defense then has the opportunity to accept a 5 yard penalty and replay the down or decline the penalty and accept the result of the play. Ultimately, the refs had absolutely nothing to due with the way the game ended. The Raiders botched the snap, and Kansas City recovered. Game over, end of story. People can look at the play like they’re analyzing the Zapruder film all they want, but there was no conspiracy. Vegas snapped the ball before the QB was ready. The QB wasn’t ready because he didn’t call for the snap. He didn’t call for the snap because he was waiting for everyone to get set. The Guard thought he saw the QB signal for the snap, so he tapped the Center to hike it. Vegas wasn’t set, so there was an illegal shift flag thrown. AOC wasn’t ready for the snap, so there was a fumble. Kansas City recovered and declined the penalty.

You can’t see pre snap movement because there wasn’t any. The ref from the far side was signaling illegal formation. They discussed it and decided that it was an illegal shift. When multiple players are moving at the same time prior to the snap, they all have to set for a full second prior to the snap or it’s an illegal shift. That didn’t even come close to happening. Either call would have had the exact same result, though. The play continues, and the defense can accept or decline the penalty. They showed several replays, and it was clear that the officials got it 100% correct. There was confusion amongst the players and even the commentators, but the way it was officiated isn’t even up for debate.