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Quinnen Williams, like nearly every single other player in his situation, is doing precisely what his agent is telling him to do, and that’s exactly what he should be doing. Agents aren’t stupid. They understand how to cause a stir amongst a fan base and apply pressure to the franchise by manipulating their clients’ social media. It’s part of a 9 figure negotiation, not childish drama.

There's nothing pessimistic about that. Football teams turn over their rosters frequently, and this is the oldest roster in the league. The 2024 version of this team will have 8-10 new starters compared to the 2023 team. McBeane have chosen to mostly run it back the last two seasons. They're due for an overhaul outside of Josh, Diggs, and the youngsters who are going to have to take over for guys like Hyde, Poyer, and Morse. It's very doable when you've got a young superstar at QB. Look at the "make it out break it" thread. If most of those guys show out, then they'll be part of the retooling, and the team will keep on rolling. If not, it's a bigger project.

Not necessarily. We just saw that a team can win a Super Bowl while doing a serious re-tooling. Vegas has the Bills winning 10.5 games. If they sightly outperform that by going 12-5 and going on a postseason run, there's no reason to think they can't keep it going while doing some serious roster churn. If they underperform at 9-8, then you're absolutely looking at a two year rebuild. Anybody whose age starts with a 3 would be a candidate to be moved, and guys like Tre, Brown, Oliver, Knox, Davis, Basham, and Epenesa would have to be evaluated as well. I think Buffalo is a 10 or 11 win team, so neither of those outcomes would shock me.

2024 is going to be a serious re-tooling year. If the 2023 season goes poorly for whatever reason, it could be a full-on rebuild.

He had 51 total TDs and 4400 total yards in a 2 year span. That is absolutely mind blowing.

Conversely, if they had replaced the worst QB in the NFL with the guy who had won the last 2 MVP awards, they would have had really good shots against the Patriots x2, the Bills, Dolphins, Lions, and Vikings. The Jets were a competent QB away from being a playoff team last season. Now they’ve got ARod, and if he’s got anything left, they’re a very formidable team. If Hall comes back healthy, they’re very much a factor to win the AFCE. They’re a young team that’s only going to get better as their youth develops.

I’ve quoted the post I made that got all of the negative responses below. It was literally the last post I had made before I made my comment about people reacting negatively to me comparing what KC has assembled to Buffalo and that “I don’t see some glaring advantage”. At the time, it had 3 reactions, and they were all “disagree”. Either way, I’m done discussing it. I do like the Bills, and I think their fans deserve a Super Bowl. I made no response to Bills fans being protective of their team. The response I made was to someone saying that Bills fans would murder their front office for what Veach and Reid had assembled. It was a laughably bad take. If I’m crying about anything, it’s the price of Super Bowl merchandise. I don’t know if you’ve priced any lately, but it’s not cheap.

There’s literally a response button at the bottom of every post. See the response I just made to yours? That’s called a Super Bowl trophy. Now look at the responses to the post I made where suggested that the Kansas City front office was in no danger of being murdered by angry Chiefs fans. Those ❌s are negative responses. You seem to be referring to replies. Maybe my calling them “reactions” instead of “responses” would have been clearer. Hopefully that clears things up.

I’m not expecting you to fawn over anything the Chiefs do. I understand that you’re a charter member of the “only the Bills have good players” club. I’m just amused by the simultaneous notions here that Mahomes only wins championships and MVPs over Josh because Kansas City has a better line and better weapons than Buffalo…but also that Bills fans would be “murdering their front office” if they allowed Josh to be surrounded with a “patchwork offensive line” and a bunch of “reclamation projects” at receiver. Seems like those are diametrically opposing viewpoints. Meanwhile, the Chiefs are Super Bowl favorites and the biggest additions the Bills made to a subpar line was Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard. Perhaps they along with Trent Sherfield and Deonte Harty (who are clearly established, elite WRs as opposed to KaDarius Toney who is merely a reclamation project) will be enough to bridge the difference between scoring 10 points in the Divisional Round and scoring 38 points in the Super Bowl.

From the limited amount I know about Torrence, I think he’ll be good. If he winds up eventually being on the level of Trey Smith, it was a great pick given where he was taken in the draft. If the expectation is that he plays at that level as a rookie, then that’s unreasonable. I do find it funny that there are 100 threads talking about how Josh would win MVP if he had a line half as good as Mahomes, but the minute someone suggests that the Chiefs have a better line than the Bills, there’s an outpouring of negative responses (not referring to you).

Well now we’ve just lost our minds. The KC interior line was arguably the best in football last season. The tackles sphere a weakness, and they’ve been replaced. Jawaan Taylor and Donovan Smith are at worst equal to Brown and Wylie. Brown is a good player but a poor fit in that offense while Wylie was a backup caliber Guard doing his best at RT. I’d take Thuney, Creed, Trey, and Taylor over all four of their counterparts in Buffalo. If the Bills have an edge at LT, it’s minimal. It’s hardly a patchwork line. The WR room is largely unproven, but the offense has proven it can be championship level without stars there as long as they’ve got a top 5 pass catcher in the league who just happens to line up next to the tackles on occasion. Even so, there’s a lot of young potential with Toney, Moore, and Rice all age 24 and under. Compare that to Buffalo who has Diggs and not much else, and I don’t see some glaring advantage. Pretty sure Andy Reid and Brett Veach aren’t worried about getting murdered by their fans unless it’s from getting mobbed at yet another Super Bowl parade.

Well Andy Reid agreed to pay Taylor way more that’s what Brown got, and he’s got as good of a track record at building offensive lines as anyone on the planet. I have to assume he watched some Jacksonville film before he made that decision.

Did the Bills pursue Drue Tranquill at all? He seems like he’d have been a great fit, and he signed for 1 year $3,000,000.

If they’d declined Oliver’s fifth year option, they’d be in a fine position to sign his replacement. You could get similar production for a fraction of his price tag.

He’ll never have another chance to draft in the top 10 at least.

Paying great players doesn’t wreck salary caps. Paying mediocre players does.

I think Beane is the one whose seat should be getting warm.

I'm with you on most of this. I tend to think Josh's injury is overblown around here, but that's a different discussion. The question becomes what version is a better representation of who the Bills will be going forward, week six versus postseason. I think it's the latter. I don't see guys like Von, Micah, DaQuon, and Jordan all looking like their younger selves coming off of injuries of batting degrees. They'll still likely be effective players early on the season other than Von, but the the goal is to win in week 23. If they are injured and/or less than 100% by the end of the season again, it's not really bad luck.

It was a joke about how drafting guys who don't give up sacks and drop passes is some sort of strategy.

It’s worth mentioning that the over 10.5 is -125, so it pays less than even odds.

I don’t think you’re reading too much into it at all. Beane has decided that he wants Linemen who don’t give up sacks and Receivers who don’t drop passes. I think it’s brilliant.

That would screw small market teams so bad. They already can’t host Super Bowls, and then they wouldn’t be able to host championship games? I just can’t see that happening. Too much revenue lost for the smaller teams.

It wasn’t murderer’s row or anything, but they went 5-0 against non playoff teams and 3-1 against playoff teams during the second half of the season. For comparison, the Bills went 6-1 against non playoff teams and 1-1 against playoff teams during that same stretch.

What tweet?

Yeah. There was a huge thread called something like The only Mahomes thread you’ll ever need. That was about 200 Mahomes threads ago.